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    Quote Originally Posted by HoldMyBeer View Post
    Test converts to estrogen and dht correct?
    If so, does introducing an AI such as adex (if one wasn't being used before), lower dht?
    As GH has said before, estrogen in itself can be anabolic, and apparently the aromatization process itself releases igf (hence why an aromatizing compound can be more anabolic than just it's on paper rating), so letting the aromatization (spelling?) happen seems to be a good thing. It would be nice if there were more studies on this. There has to be a sweet spot where you don't lose all your hair and retain a shit load of water. I was thinking that if using high amounts of test, using a SERM may be better than an AI for those reasons, but I'm starting to think a combination of the two may be the answer.
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    No. Adding in an AI and reducing the conversion of T to E will increase T levels and thus DHT levels. T turns to E everywhere in the body except skeletal muscle. Well, a small amount makes it into the muscle but it's basically destroyed by another enzyme related to 5-AR. There's nothing wrong with running low dose nolva and low dose adex at the same time if symptomatic. I do it all the time. We are all different and it takes time to learn exactly what you need and how you respond.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    No. Adding in an AI and reducing the conversion of T to E will increase T levels and thus DHT levels. T turns to E everywhere in the body except skeletal muscle. Well, a small amount makes it into the muscle but it's basically destroyed by another enzyme related to 5-AR. There's nothing wrong with running low dose nolva and low dose adex at the same time if symptomatic. I do it all the time. We are all different and it takes time to learn exactly what you need and how you respond.
    Are you saying that estrogen is not anabolic?


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    Quote Originally Posted by charger69 View Post
    Are you saying that estrogen is not anabolic?


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    Not at all. The op is looking for a compromise and for those that are symptomatic running a low dose of AI alongside nolva may be what he needs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Not at all. The op is looking for a compromise and for those that are symptomatic running a low dose of AI alongside nolva may be what he needs.
    Not symptomatic, you're response was educational none the less
    More curious if pushing aromatization as far as possible without going full emo would maximize growth
    I tried just SERM before, got ED after a couple months, immediately popped adex and it cleared up within a couple days.
    But there has to be a sweet spot to maximize the amount of igf release, anabolic effects of e2, and testosterone without it getting that far. I would like to know what it is

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    No. Adding in an AI and reducing the conversion of T to E will increase T levels and thus DHT levels. T turns to E everywhere in the body except skeletal muscle. Well, a small amount makes it into the muscle but it's basically destroyed by another enzyme related to 5-AR. There's nothing wrong with running low dose nolva and low dose adex at the same time if symptomatic. I do it all the time. We are all different and it takes time to learn exactly what you need and how you respond.
    That's the smarter way, finding a compromise between a SERM and AI to getting more benefits with less sides.

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