Whole Food Plant-Based Diet

[thisAngelBites]

You would think that information about what people eat would sort out any questions about what to eat for longevity, but the Hadza eat very differently to the Okinawans, yet both seem to be long-lived and healthy. People have historically eaten what they can get where they live, which is naturally vastly different at the equator than close to poles.

Jeff Leach, who studies the Hadza and has probably written the studies that everyone has seen about their diets also took a trip to Tanzania with a bunch of crap processed food with him and when he got there he tested their gut bacteria, then fed that rubbish to those people he was studying there for a few days, and then tested their gut biome again and was shocked to see that their biome did not change. He was expecting radical differences due to the fact that when he had previously tested his biome before his trip, and then tested it again after a couple of days there eating local food, it was very very different. He presumed it was the food, but then why didn't the microbiomes change when eating the processed food? There are varying theories about the amount of light influencing health more than food, but I think it's not yet known for certain.

Having said that, I have never seen a study that shows that eating raw dairy or cheese gets a favourable health outcome. Milk is a very pro-growth food, with insulin like growth factors and in nature only young animals eat these quick growth-promoting foods, and they have been associated with breast and prostate cancer, as far as I can recall. But I would be interested if anyone knows of anything saying that raw milk or cheese (these are very easily accessible here in Europe, and some places (the netherlands comes to mind) have very high consumption, but also have v high breast cancer rates, for example.

[IronLiver]

You would think that information about what people eat would sort out any questions about what to eat for longevity, but the Hadza eat very differently to the Okinawans, yet both seem to be long-lived and healthy. People have historically eaten what they can get where they live, which is naturally vastly different at the equator than close to poles.

Jeff Leach, who studies the Hadza and has probably written the studies that everyone has seen about their diets also took a trip to Tanzania with a bunch of crap processed food with him and when he got there he tested their gut bacteria, then fed that rubbish to those people he was studying there for a few days, and then tested their gut biome again and was shocked to see that their biome did not change. He was expecting radical differences due to the fact that when he had previously tested his biome before his trip, and then tested it again after a couple of days there eating local food, it was very very different. He presumed it was the food, but then why didn't the microbiomes change when eating the processed food? There are varying theories about the amount of light influencing health more than food, but I think it's not yet known for certain.

Having said that, I have never seen a study that shows that eating raw dairy or cheese gets a favourable health outcome. Milk is a very pro-growth food, with insulin like growth factors and in nature only young animals eat these quick growth-promoting foods, and they have been associated with breast and prostate cancer, as far as I can recall. But I would be interested if anyone knows of anything saying that raw milk or cheese (these are very easily accessible here in Europe, and some places (the netherlands comes to mind) have very high consumption, but also have v high breast cancer rates, for example.

I would recommend looking into the work of Weston Price who traveled to many different indigenous groups in the 1930's and studied all the different diets. Every healthy native culture he studied ate animal foods raw with very few vegitable foods. The milk, cheese and butter of Swiss villagers and African herdsmen were eaten raw and never heated. Animal organs in every culture were eaten raw. Eskimos of Arctic regions ate raw meat and fish. Islanders in the South Pacific and coastal Australian Aborigines ate meat raw, including shellfish.

You will probably not find a study that will say that cheese or raw milk is healthy, in fact you will most likely find the opposite. This is why it's illegal to sell fresh milk in most places. You have to make sure to pasteurize the milk to kill all those terrible bacteria that might kill you! Or better yet, let's just replace milk with cruelty free soy milk and almond milk to make the vegans happy.

[Gallowmere]

I would recommend looking into the work of Weston Price who traveled to many different indigenous groups in the 1930's and studied all the different diets. Every healthy native culture he studied ate animal foods raw with very few vegitable foods. The milk, cheese and butter of Swiss villagers and African herdsmen were eaten raw and never heated. Animal organs in every culture were eaten raw. Eskimos of Arctic regions ate raw meat and fish. Islanders in the South Pacific and coastal Australian Aborigines ate meat raw, including shellfish.

You will probably not find a study that will say that cheese or raw milk is healthy, in fact you will most likely find the opposite. This is why it's illegal to sell fresh milk in most places. You have to make sure to pasteurize the milk to kill all those terrible bacteria that might kill you! Or better yet, let's just replace milk with cruelty free soy milk and almond milk to make the vegans happy.

Price was also a dentist (and reputedly horrible one at that) who believed that TB was caused by diet. The man was looking for anything and everything to prove his weird ass theories, and his journals have been shown to possess several things that can only be construed as outright lies, or utter incompetence in observation.

Please tell me this isn’t what you’re basing most of your thoughts on.

[thisAngelBites]

Raw milk is legal where I live, and although I gave my child limited raw milk after weaning, I instead really moved towards water instead. No other animal consumes the milk of another species, and no animal has milk past the very intense growth stage of childhood (this is in line with what I said earlier about the abundance of insulin like growth factors). I'm one of the people that thinks screwing with mother nature in this way is usually not good, but other people don't think it's an issue, or else they just don't know.

PS - I read Weston Price about 20 years when I got interested in nutrition, and like most experts I have read, I found some things I agreed with and others I didn't. I think we can eat more real food without consuming milk throughout our lives. If I was going to drink milk, I would always prefer raw, but I would rather not consume much milk, and I save cheese for occasional treats (and we get very good raw cheese here, and when I go over to France to shop).