ESTROGEN . will save your life !!

[SilverBack G's]

Isnt to much estrogen in a male cause aromatzation

[GearHeaded]

Isnt to much estrogen in a male cause aromatzation

aromatization is the way males produce estrogen. this is a good thing, not a bad thing . its an evolutionary and biological necessity.
estrogen is the hormone that controls the male sex drive (not testosterone). if your estrogen is zero your sex drive and sexual ability will also be zero..
the aromatase enzyme is mainly contained within body fat. hmmm wonder why. well lets connect the dots here.

mammal species should not be procreating during times of great famine and starvation. if they can't feed themselves they can't feed their offspring . so they shouldn't be mating then.. sex drive should go to zero. ok well if your starving to death and have no body fat then your going to have very little aromatase enzyme and thus no estrogen and thus no sex drive, and there will be no mating...

but during times of plenty with plenty of food your holding onto body fat and producing plenty of estrogen and have a full functioning sex drive. thus procreation takes place. interesting how the creation has worked these things out.

[Chark]

aromatization is the way males produce estrogen. this is a good thing, not a bad thing . its an evolutionary and biological necessity.
estrogen is the hormone that controls the male sex drive (not testosterone). if your estrogen is zero your sex drive and sexual ability will also be zero..
the aromatase enzyme is mainly contained within body fat. hmmm wonder why. well lets connect the dots here.

mammal species should not be procreating during times of great famine and starvation. if they can't feed themselves they can't feed their offspring . so they shouldn't be mating then.. sex drive should go to zero. ok well if your starving to death and have no body fat then your going to have very little aromatase enzyme and thus no estrogen and thus no sex drive, and there will be no mating...

but during times of plenty with plenty of food your holding onto body fat and producing plenty of estrogen and have a full functioning sex drive. thus procreation takes place. interesting how the creation has worked these things out.

That makes sense...Interesting! Why does having more aromatase enzyme (like how it’s advised you shouldn’t cycle at high body-fat) lead to increased estrogenic issues? Wouldn’t the amount of test available to aromatize in the first place serve as a bottleneck to how much estrogen aromatizes? Is this essentially the same but other end of the spectrum with how AIs work? In that it isn’t aromatization isn’t completely inhibited but by reducing the amount of enzymes we see less estrogen.

[GearHeaded]

That makes sense...Interesting! Why does having more aromatase enzyme (like how it’s advised you shouldn’t cycle at high body-fat) lead to increased estrogenic issues? Wouldn’t the amount of test available to aromatize in the first place serve as a bottleneck to how much estrogen aromatizes? Is this essentially the same but other end of the spectrum with how AIs work? In that it isn’t aromatization isn’t completely inhibited but by reducing the amount of enzymes we see less estrogen.

best way to think about it is that body fat is the 'warehouse capacity',, aromatase enzyme doesn't just magically exist . it has to be produced and upregulated by proteins and other things in the body. body fat helps to store these things because its actually a process to get it done. producing more aromatase enzyme and storing it in body fat , to eventually convert test into estrogen is a survival mechanism thing. its what the body wants and needs to do.

testosterone is the 'raw material' .. the aromatase enzymes are the workers in the factory to get things done. but as mentioned above , they are not just magically there. they have to be produced and there able to work. then estrogen is the 'final product' sort of speak

having higher body fat levels just means you have more 'warehouse' and factory space for your workers.. you still need the 'raw material' and the workers though.

idk .. maybe a totally crappy analogy. my brain isn't working right now

on a side note -- the idea that you shouldn't run a cycle cause you have high body fat levels ,, I think is total bullshit. most AAS don't even aromatize to begin with. just need to set your cycle up properly

[Chark]

best way to think about it is that body fat is the 'warehouse capacity',, aromatase enzyme doesn't just magically exist . it has to be produced and upregulated by proteins and other things in the body. body fat helps to store these things because its actually a process to get it done. producing more aromatase enzyme and storing it in body fat , to eventually convert test into estrogen is a survival mechanism thing. its what the body wants and needs to do.

testosterone is the 'raw material' .. the aromatase enzymes are the workers in the factory to get things done. but as mentioned above , they are not just magically there. they have to be produced and there able to work. then estrogen is the 'final product' sort of speak

having higher body fat levels just means you have more 'warehouse' and factory space for your workers.. you still need the 'raw material' and the workers though.

idk .. maybe a totally crappy analogy. my brain isn't working right now

on a side note -- the idea that you shouldn't run a cycle cause you have high body fat levels ,, I think is total bullshit. most AAS don't even aromatize to begin with. just need to set your cycle up properly

Not crappy at all, that’s a memorable way to illustrate it! Thank you!

Re: side note, for sure. I used the wrong words. “advised shouldn’t cycle” should be advised caution with aromatizing compounds like test and dbol

[cybervtec]

aromatization is the way males produce estrogen. this is a good thing, not a bad thing . its an evolutionary and biological necessity.
estrogen is the hormone that controls the male sex drive (not testosterone). if your estrogen is zero your sex drive and sexual ability will also be zero..
the aromatase enzyme is mainly contained within body fat. hmmm wonder why. well lets connect the dots here.

mammal species should not be procreating during times of great famine and starvation. if they can't feed themselves they can't feed their offspring . so they shouldn't be mating then.. sex drive should go to zero. ok well if your starving to death and have no body fat then your going to have very little aromatase enzyme and thus no estrogen and thus no sex drive, and there will be no mating...

but during times of plenty with plenty of food your holding onto body fat and producing plenty of estrogen and have a full functioning sex drive. thus procreation takes place. interesting how the creation has worked these things out.

Gearheaded,

so if you want to design a cycle to boost up your sex drive how do you do?

I said that because, in a few cycles you can put a lot of Muscle mass, but your libido or sex drive, went down.

So in your oppinion, the best is to stay away from masteron, proviron, and all that can kill the estrogen?

You are total against test only cycle. seeing your point of view, the test only is the best for libido. Is that correct.

So deca is also bad for sex drive, because you said that kill estrogen. But the prolactin is raised. Are you sure, the estrogen are the only responsible for the sex drive.

Sorry for all this questions. But there is a lot of point of views.

[GearHeaded]

Gearheaded,

so if you want to design a cycle to boost up your sex drive how do you do?

I said that because, in a few cycles you can put a lot of Muscle mass, but your libido or sex drive, went down.

So in your oppinion, the best is to stay away from masteron, proviron, and all that can kill the estrogen?

You are total against test only cycle. seeing your point of view, the test only is the best for libido. Is that correct.

So deca is also bad for sex drive, because you said that kill estrogen. But the prolactin is raised. Are you sure, the estrogen are the only responsible for the sex drive.

Sorry for all this questions. But there is a lot of point of views.

you need estrogen for libido (thats what controls libido) and you need DHT to get an erection and function.. to put it another way , estrogen works in the brain receptors while dht works on the physical.

if your running cycles and losing your sex drive then your not properly stacking your compounds .. you need both estrogen and dht (androgens).

if you stack something like Masteron , which will lower your SHBG and thus free up more DHT . that is fine .. you just need an estrogenic compound to go along with that ,, like test or dbol.


side note -- deca can kill sex drive though a couple mechanisms. the first being progestin activity (it will bind to progestins receptors and can raise prolactin levels too high) .. but the main thing , imo, is that it converts to DHN rather then DHT .. DHN will bind to DHT receptors but provide no androgenic activity.. so you have all this worthless DHN occupying receptors and then DHT levels falling off on top of that . then Deca crashes sex drive (cause it doesn't really convert to estrogen either... so you have falling DHT and estrogen levels)..
I'm NOT a fan of Deca only cycles at all

[cybervtec]

you need estrogen for libido (thats what controls libido) and you need DHT to get an erection and function.. to put it another way , estrogen works in the brain receptors while dht works on the physical.

if your running cycles and losing your sex drive then your not properly stacking your compounds .. you need both estrogen and dht (androgens).

if you stack something like Masteron , which will lower your SHBG and thus free up more DHT . that is fine .. you just need an estrogenic compound to go along with that ,, like test or dbol.


side note -- deca can kill sex drive though a couple mechanisms. the first being progestin activity (it will bind to progestins receptors and can raise prolactin levels too high) .. but the main thing , imo, is that it converts to DHN rather then DHT .. DHN will bind to DHT receptors but provide no androgenic activity.. so you have all this worthless DHN occupying receptors and then DHT levels falling off on top of that . then Deca crashes sex drive (cause it doesn't really convert to estrogen either... so you have falling DHT and estrogen levels)..
I'm NOT a fan of Deca only cycles at all

Thanks for the help!

So in your oppinion wich is the best compounds to raisde dht?

i dont know if i do it well, but after reading your posts, i start to give up the AI, and try to get the best results of the compounds without the use of ai to get maximum benefit of estrogen.

But i keep only the caber, to decrease the elevated prolactin from tren or deca. i dont know if caber touch anyhow some axels and decrease the efect or possibility of gain muscle mass.

How can i solve the problem of the dhn? Besides drop deca?

Thanks again for all the help Gearheaded

[GearHeaded]

Thanks for the help!

So in your oppinion wich is the best compounds to raisde dht?

i dont know if i do it well, but after reading your posts, i start to give up the AI, and try to get the best results of the compounds without the use of ai to get maximum benefit of estrogen.

But i keep only the caber, to decrease the elevated prolactin from tren or deca. i dont know if caber touch anyhow some axels and decrease the efect or possibility of gain muscle mass.

How can i solve the problem of the dhn? Besides drop deca?

Thanks again for all the help Gearheaded

the healthier way, and most anabolic way, to keep progestin/prolactin in check is to drop the caber (which is bad for your heart and not anabolic at all) is to run MATERON ,, it will blunt progestin receptors. it also has some anti estrogenic properties. and of course its anabolic and builds muscle.

also Masteron will lower SHBG , which will then free up more DHT into the blood stream . and thats how you take care of too much DHN, is simply by giving your body enough DHT.

^ you get those two things accomplished with one fairly safe and anabolic compound

[cybervtec]

the healthier way, and most anabolic way, to keep progestin/prolactin in check is to drop the caber (which is bad for your heart and not anabolic at all) is to run MATERON ,, it will blunt progestin receptors. it also has some anti estrogenic properties. and of course its anabolic and builds muscle.

also Masteron will lower SHBG , which will then free up more DHT into the blood stream . and thats how you take care of too much DHN, is simply by giving your body enough DHT.

^ you get those two things accomplished with one fairly safe and anabolic compound

Thanks for the help.

I use caber because the deca and Tren dick.

I Guess there is a sticky post about the tren that Anthony, i dont remember the name of the user, Said caber is the way.

But i Will drop and start using master.

Any advice in dosagem?

100mg eod?

Thanks again for all the help

[cybervtec]

the healthier way, and most anabolic way, to keep progestin/prolactin in check is to drop the caber (which is bad for your heart and not anabolic at all) is to run MATERON ,, it will blunt progestin receptors. it also has some anti estrogenic properties. and of course its anabolic and builds muscle.

also Masteron will lower SHBG , which will then free up more DHT into the blood stream . and thats how you take care of too much DHN, is simply by giving your body enough DHT.

^ you get those two things accomplished with one fairly safe and anabolic compound

Is the same for tren use?

Or ONLY aply to deca?

[Mula]

the healthier way, and most anabolic way, to keep progestin/prolactin in check is to drop the caber (which is bad for your heart and not anabolic at all) is to run MATERON ,, it will blunt progestin receptors. it also has some anti estrogenic properties. and of course its anabolic and builds muscle.

also Masteron will lower SHBG , which will then free up more DHT into the blood stream . and thats how you take care of too much DHN, is simply by giving your body enough DHT.

Very confusing what if you want to run a mild Test-P/Tren-A cycle without masteron? Does this mean you don't have another choice than to run caber with it? Some say you don't need caber at all and don't notice the prolactin side effects at all. Hence i think it depends on the dose of tren you take. If you're somewhere around the 150-250 range per week it might be less prolactin inducing or not?