I tried to buy a Firearm and the sale was placed “on hold”

[C27H40O3]

That is the same reason the 223 at point-blank range has little to no effect in terms of shock Force. They passed through and displaced very little energy. More powder and more speed is not the answer in home defense. Big and slow that doesn't pass through will displace 100% of a shock force on the target

This makes it simple, completely on point, like a "Principles of Home Defense weapon choice for dummies" book. It could be one page long.

[The road]

This makes it simple, completely on point, like a "Principles of Home Defense weapon choice for dummies" book. It could be one page long.

I forgot some live in mansions.

Gh has got a .338 lapua zeroed in at 200 yards trained on his fron door from his bed. 32x 50mm scope

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I forgot some live in mansions.

Gh has got a .338 lapua zeroed in at 200 yards trained on his fron door from his bed. 32x 50mm scope

I prefer 338 in 250 grain hornady boat tail bullets ... fly way way faster then guys that over load and go too heavy .. I like to have a 300 yard zero on my scope . makes life more simple

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This makes it simple, completely on point, like a "Principles of Home Defense weapon choice for dummies" book. It could be one page long.

if that was so on point .. why don't our military carry smooth bore shotguns with bird shot in them? instead they carry AR15 and AR10 and even the militarized police are dropping shotgun for AR15s etc..
yet general civilian homeowners that shop at Walmart are being told to buy a shot gun and bird shot to defend your home ..

you all deceived

[C27H40O3]

if that was so on point .. why don't our military carry smooth bore shotguns with bird shot in them? instead they carry AR15 and AR10 and even the militarized police are dropping shotgun for AR15s etc..
yet general civilian homeowners that shop at Walmart are being told to buy a shot gun and bird shot to defend your home ..

you all deceived

The military likes to reach out and touch somebody from as far as possible. My house aint as big as an afghan field

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The military likes to reach out and touch somebody from as far as possible. My house aint as big as an afghan field

your joking right ?

most battles are taking place in close quarters combat .. not afghan fields. dude wake up.


you see any shotguns filled with bird shot here ? or do you see rifles


I'll post another video up of an ER trauma doctor talking about this subject. he treated tons of gun wound patients over his career and he talks about survival rates he saw personally .. chance of survival from a pistol caliber is pretty good and so is a shotgun wound with bird shot . but getting hit with a rifle round your pretty screwed. this is his first hand account in the ER


bird shot looks good on video when hitting pop cans and water jugs,, and a 308 rifle round may not. but the 308 is far more effective when it comes to thugs breaking into your home. and if your worried about "over penetration" you simply use a lighter bullet in hollow point like a hornady 155 critical defense round.

rifles are definitely used in close quarter, not across giant afghan fields and 500 yards away.. thats why swat team all carry rifles now , not shotguns with bird shot.
FYI - my brother in law is swat .. he don't train with no shotgun with bird shot (unless we are out pheasant hunting)

[Proximal]

your joking right ?

most battles are taking place in close quarters combat .. not afghan fields. dude wake up.


you see any shotguns filled with bird shot here ? or do you see rifles


I'll post another video up of an ER trauma doctor talking about this subject. he treated tons of gun wound patients over his career and he talks about survival rates he saw personally .. chance of survival from a pistol caliber is pretty good and so is a shotgun wound with bird shot . but getting hit with a rifle round your pretty screwed. this is his first hand account in the ER


bird shot looks good on video when hitting pop cans and water jugs,, and a 308 rifle round may not. but the 308 is far more effective when it comes to thugs breaking into your home. and if your worried about "over penetration" you simply use a lighter bullet in hollow point like a hornady 155 critical defense round.

rifles are definitely used in close quarter, not across giant afghan fields and 500 yards away.. thats why swat team all carry rifles now , not shotguns with bird shot.
FYI - my brother in law is swat .. he don't train with no shotgun with bird shot (unless we are out pheasant hunting)

Loved this one that Beetle posted by an ER Doctor. Really dug it.

I’m still on the fence if I want one for the home.

https://youtu.be/hAtzl0e1OT4

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Loved this one that Beetle posted by an ER Doctor. Really dug it.

I’m still on the fence if I want one for the home.

https://youtu.be/hAtzl0e1OT4

go to the 17 minute mark .. the idea that bullets will travel through multiple houses and walls is a total exaggeration. the 45 round (one of the most stout hand gun rounds) didn't even make it through the guys sternum and hit the heart .. two rounds in the chest and he is alive and well ... yet people think bullets will travel through walls and houses and end up hitting and killing random people. so they are instructed to use a shot gun with bird shot to help prevent "over penetration" .. you been dooped .

watch the 14 min mark . dude gets hit with a 9mm twice in the chest and stomach and just walks around . the movies are total bullshit showing scenes where people get shot and fly back 10 feet and are instantly dead. thats not real . the energy from weak rounds of some crazy criminal is not going to throw him back at all,, even though you shot him 5 times he still may stab you 10 times before he finally bleeds out. bird shot is for birds.
rifle rounds like the 308 , or a shotgun with slugs or stout buck is what really stops a thug from killing you.

[Proximal]

Yeah I hear you. I believe Beetle’s point was if you’re going to intend to shoot, there is the need for multiple bullets being fired with the complete intent to kill an intruder.

You try to keep things interesting in class. A few times I’ve done labs where I’d find a good article on a surviving gun shot victim and an article that goes into detail on where the victim is shot. Then we bust out the Anatomy atlases and some cool anatomy apps & try to determine the trajectory of the bullet, which body structures are going to be damaged and why the person survived. I think I had a cool video going over the Tupac shooting.

I’m still going to err on the side of caution regarding the topic of possible bullet penetration of multiple walls. If I had kids, I’d think differently. But, once shit calms down, I think I’m still doing some gun shopping & try different guns at our range. Everyone (including yourself) gave me a ton of great information on that thread.

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go to the 17 minute mark .. the idea that bullets will travel through multiple houses and walls is a total exaggeration. the 45 round (one of the most stout hand gun rounds) didn't even make it through the guys sternum and hit the heart .. two rounds in the chest and he is alive and well ... yet people think bullets will travel through walls and houses and end up hitting and killing random people. so they are instructed to use a shot gun with bird shot to help prevent "over penetration" .. you been dooped .

watch the 14 min mark . dude gets hit with a 9mm twice in the chest and stomach and just walks around . the movies are total bullshit showing scenes where people get shot and fly back 10 feet and are instantly dead. thats not real . the energy from weak rounds of some crazy criminal is not going to throw him back at all,, even though you shot him 5 times he still may stab you 10 times before he finally bleeds out. bird shot is for birds.
rifle rounds like the 308 , or a shotgun with slugs or stout buck is what really stops a thug from killing you.

A 9mm wont even penetrate a windshield of a car at 50 plus yards. The 40 has some ass behind it. A 45 is basically a huge slug with not enough powder imho, the critical defense rounds are much better today tho i know that. But a regular 45 round ehhh what it is 850-950 fps off the top of my head?

Now that 5.56 is probably going thru the house quite easily imo. The thing i like about the shotgun for home defense is the wide pattern. A a 3” OO buck is pretty nasty

[C27H40O3]

your joking right ?

most battles are taking place in close quarters combat .. not afghan fields. dude wake up.


you see any shotguns filled with bird shot here ? or do you see rifles


I'll post another video up of an ER trauma doctor talking about this subject. he treated tons of gun wound patients over his career and he talks about survival rates he saw personally .. chance of survival from a pistol caliber is pretty good and so is a shotgun wound with bird shot . but getting hit with a rifle round your pretty screwed. this is his first hand account in the ER


bird shot looks good on video when hitting pop cans and water jugs,, and a 308 rifle round may not. but the 308 is far more effective when it comes to thugs breaking into your home. and if your worried about "over penetration" you simply use a lighter bullet in hollow point like a hornady 155 critical defense round.

rifles are definitely used in close quarter, not across giant afghan fields and 500 yards away.. thats why swat team all carry rifles now , not shotguns with bird shot.
FYI - my brother in law is swat .. he don't train with no shotgun with bird shot (unless we are out pheasant hunting)

When I was a kid, and all the way up to around 9/11, the local swat teams carried the Ithaca 37 pump 12guage. They since switched to the Mossberg 590.

Now they carry Colt M4 Commando's if on terrorist duty out in the street or in transit stations. If they are doing search warrants in residences or buildings, they use the Heckler & Koch MP5 in 9MM. And mostly at least one Mossberg 590. They worry about overpenetration where folks are sleeping.

[C27H40O3]

More field fighting from a house:

[The road]

if that was so on point .. why don't our military carry smooth bore shotguns with bird shot in them? instead they carry AR15 and AR10 and even the militarized police are dropping shotgun for AR15s etc..
yet general civilian homeowners that shop at Walmart are being told to buy a shot gun and bird shot to defend your home ..

you all deceived

Because they arent in a duplex dumb fuck

[The road]

Of course though if its someone creeping and I get the drop... I will use my dick and duct tape.

[The road]

Are you on meth GH?