I tried to buy a Firearm and the sale was placed “on hold”

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Loved this one that Beetle posted by an ER Doctor. Really dug it.

I’m still on the fence if I want one for the home.

https://youtu.be/hAtzl0e1OT4

go to the 17 minute mark .. the idea that bullets will travel through multiple houses and walls is a total exaggeration. the 45 round (one of the most stout hand gun rounds) didn't even make it through the guys sternum and hit the heart .. two rounds in the chest and he is alive and well ... yet people think bullets will travel through walls and houses and end up hitting and killing random people. so they are instructed to use a shot gun with bird shot to help prevent "over penetration" .. you been dooped .

watch the 14 min mark . dude gets hit with a 9mm twice in the chest and stomach and just walks around . the movies are total bullshit showing scenes where people get shot and fly back 10 feet and are instantly dead. thats not real . the energy from weak rounds of some crazy criminal is not going to throw him back at all,, even though you shot him 5 times he still may stab you 10 times before he finally bleeds out. bird shot is for birds.
rifle rounds like the 308 , or a shotgun with slugs or stout buck is what really stops a thug from killing you.

[Proximal]

Yeah I hear you. I believe Beetle’s point was if you’re going to intend to shoot, there is the need for multiple bullets being fired with the complete intent to kill an intruder.

You try to keep things interesting in class. A few times I’ve done labs where I’d find a good article on a surviving gun shot victim and an article that goes into detail on where the victim is shot. Then we bust out the Anatomy atlases and some cool anatomy apps & try to determine the trajectory of the bullet, which body structures are going to be damaged and why the person survived. I think I had a cool video going over the Tupac shooting.

I’m still going to err on the side of caution regarding the topic of possible bullet penetration of multiple walls. If I had kids, I’d think differently. But, once shit calms down, I think I’m still doing some gun shopping & try different guns at our range. Everyone (including yourself) gave me a ton of great information on that thread.

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Yeah I hear you. I believe Beetle’s point was if you’re going to intend to shoot, there is the need for multiple bullets being fired with the complete intent to kill an intruder.

You try to keep things interesting in class. A few times I’ve done labs where I’d find a good article on a surviving gun shot victim and an article that goes into detail on where the victim is shot. Then we bust out the Anatomy atlases and some cool anatomy apps & try to determine the trajectory of the bullet, which body structures are going to be damaged and why the person survived. I think I had a cool video going over the Tupac shooting.

I’m still going to err on the side of caution regarding the topic of possible bullet penetration of multiple walls. If I had kids, I’d think differently. But, once shit calms down, I think I’m still doing some gun shopping & try different guns at our range. Everyone (including yourself) gave me a ton of great information on that thread.

I think hunting comes into play .. people who never hunted and they have only got their gun thoughts from movies are a bit mis informed.
your not allowed to hunt an elk with a shotgun and filled with bird shot or a handgun. in my state you can't even use even an AR15 caliber 5.56 to hunt deer or elk, because its not powerful enough to make a clean kill and is thus against the law as un ethical . even with a proper hunting round you may get a good shot off and a good hit , but then you may have to track the Elk for miles before you finally find the carcass bled out.

stopping a fight from an intruder with a gun is not as easy as you see it portrayed in the movies

you need to have the proper gear, ammo, and lots and lots of training

when I bow hunted a lot. I used to practice archery 4 hours per day. I cut and fletched my own arrows, I had the grain weight and tips tuned in complete balance, I have a chronograph and would tune things based on FPS and energy. and thats why I could hit a beer can at 70 yards with a bow .. cause I wanted to be sure with precision that I could cleanly take down an animal when hunting.

its the same with gun ownership and self protection.. you got to take it very serious and train and prepare yourself. you have to select the right tools for the job and practice

[Cuz]

go to the 17 minute mark .. the idea that bullets will travel through multiple houses and walls is a total exaggeration. the 45 round (one of the most stout hand gun rounds) didn't even make it through the guys sternum and hit the heart .. two rounds in the chest and he is alive and well ... yet people think bullets will travel through walls and houses and end up hitting and killing random people. so they are instructed to use a shot gun with bird shot to help prevent "over penetration" .. you been dooped .

watch the 14 min mark . dude gets hit with a 9mm twice in the chest and stomach and just walks around . the movies are total bullshit showing scenes where people get shot and fly back 10 feet and are instantly dead. thats not real . the energy from weak rounds of some crazy criminal is not going to throw him back at all,, even though you shot him 5 times he still may stab you 10 times before he finally bleeds out. bird shot is for birds.
rifle rounds like the 308 , or a shotgun with slugs or stout buck is what really stops a thug from killing you.

A 9mm wont even penetrate a windshield of a car at 50 plus yards. The 40 has some ass behind it. A 45 is basically a huge slug with not enough powder imho, the critical defense rounds are much better today tho i know that. But a regular 45 round ehhh what it is 850-950 fps off the top of my head?

Now that 5.56 is probably going thru the house quite easily imo. The thing i like about the shotgun for home defense is the wide pattern. A a 3” OO buck is pretty nasty

[C27H40O3]

A 9mm wont even penetrate a windshield of a car at 50 plus yards. The 40 has some ass behind it. A 45 is basically a huge slug with not enough powder imho, the critical defense rounds are much better today tho i know that. But a regular 45 round ehhh what it is 850-950 fps off the top of my head?

Now that 5.56 is probably going thru the house quite easily imo. The thing i like about the shotgun for home defense is the wide pattern. A a 3” OO buck is pretty nasty

Most of us are discussing self defense situations. It will be hard, in most places that I am familiar with, to convince anyone looking to lock you up for shooting an intruder that you needed to shoot a guy in self defense at 150 feet away. that is four houses away in my neighborhood. They will claim that the guy was no threat to you at that distance.

My range time is spent practicing for no more than 25 feet targets. Train under conditions most like you will be shooting. There are no two points in my house with a direct line of sight more than 25 feet apart. My front door is about ten feet from the sidewalk.

I guess you brothers with alot of property would face potentially longer distances.

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Most of us are discussing self defense situations. It will be hard, in most places that I am familiar with, to convince anyone looking to lock you up for shooting an intruder

guarantee your odds of NOT getting locked up are way higher when that intruder is dead and can't testify against you for his own stupidity breaking into your home.

you really want to shoot a lion with a 22lr then go try to skin it and it ends up biting you head off cause its injured and pissed off .. no. make sure that shit is dead

[The road]

I could go on for days.

To the forehead birdshot will explode a persons head every time.

Again... That is not from penetration. It is from shock force and hydraulic expansion.

Come on in my house little birdies.

[The road]

The chest wounds are from around ten feet.
One was labeled a suicide and that was misinformation on documenting reality.

Notice the bird shot is spreading to about 4-5"

About 10 feet.

[The road]

Well hot dam...

What happens under the chin where there is no hydraulic pressure?





But yeah...

Ol GH is pissed off and coming at me still....

Lmfao.

[Proximal]

Well hot dam...

What happens under the chin where there is no hydraulic pressure?





But yeah...

Ol GH is pissed off and coming at me still....

Lmfao.

Where the fuck were you when I was posting on the guns and ammo thread?

[The road]

Where the fuck were you when I was posting on the guns and ammo thread?

Couch could show it and explain it better.
He is into that gory shit.

I am sure he has a birdshot at ten feet to the face video from cartel murders.
He had an entire collaboration of rifle shots to the head.

[GearHeaded]

Well hot dam...

What happens under the chin where there is no hydraulic pressure?





But yeah...

Ol GH is pissed off and coming at me still....

Lmfao.

interesting pics .. but where is the proof that it was bird shot ?
I've shot plenty of dove, pheasants, rattle snakes etc. with bird shot and it looks nothing like that.. even pheasant hunting half the time I got to grab the bird and twists its neck after its shot.
yet bird shot blows and entire full grown mans head off !!??
lol . I call bullshit.

if I'm pheasant or even turkey hunting you really think I use bird shot so I could destroy the entire bird I want to skin and eat ?
if bird shot really blows a 200 pound mans head completely off , then I'm sure not using it for a 2 pound bird I want to preserve and harvest as most meat as possible from.

I don't want to Destry the entire bird with a single shotgun blast of bird shot ... thats what bird shot is for

[C27H40O3]

interesting pics .. but where is the proof that it was bird shot ?
I've shot plenty of dove, pheasants, rattle snakes etc. with bird shot and it looks nothing like that.. even pheasant hunting half the time I got to grab the bird and twists its neck after its shot.
yet bird shot blows and entire full grown mans head off !!??
lol . I call bullshit.

if I'm pheasant or even turkey hunting you really think I use bird shot so I could destroy the entire bird I want to skin and eat ?
if bird shot really blows a 200 pound mans head completely off , then I'm sure not using it for a 2 pound bird I want to preserve and harvest as most meat as possible from.

I don't want to Destry the entire bird with a single shotgun blast of bird shot ... thats what bird shot is for

For a guy who brags about being “strapped” and posting photos of guns every thread, you dont seem to know much about shooting.

You dont shoot birds from three feet, or point blank distance. Unless you just like to destroy small animals like some sick fuck.

Birds get shot flying in the air. Thirty of more feet away usually. Usually more. That’s why they dont get destroyed from the blast pressure.

No more needs to be said by me on the issue. It should be clear now. I think you just like to argue from losing positions.


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[The road]

Hey gh, show me one of your 9mm chest wound pics

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I'm probably way more strapped then you and loaded way. more rounds of Ammo in my gun room then you (maybe not I'm just guessing)..
but you want to call me a dumbass for preferring rifle rounds over bird shot. !!! ???
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my reloading room..

tons of books on ballistics etc as well in there.

yet I'm somehow a dumbass cause I don't like bird shot for self defense ?
wtf brother , now your just wanting to pick shit or something cause you've had a few too many beers...
fiesty bastard, go find some pussy to eat

[C27H40O3]

I'm probably way more strapped then you and loaded way. more rounds of Ammo in my gun room then you (maybe not I'm just guessing)..
but you want to call me a dumbass for preferring rifle rounds over bird shot. !!! ???
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my reloading room..

tons of books on ballistics etc as well in there.

yet I'm somehow a dumbass cause I don't like bird shot for self defense ?
wtf brother , now your just wanting to pick shit or something cause you've had a few too many beers...
fiesty bastard, go find some pussy to eat

Are you going to start the same shit you did a few weeks ago that got a thread deleted? You just kept posting a bunch of photos of all your shit,/ books, guns, and kept boasting about everything you read, have. We saw it last week, we dont need to go through it all again. Save the trouble. We stipulate that you have books, guns, chicks, a nice house, cars, etc...


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Are you going to start the same shit you did a few weeks ago that got a thread deleted? You just kept posting a bunch of photos of all your shit,/ books, guns, and kept boasting about everything you read, have. We saw it last week, we dont need to go through it all again. Save the trouble. We stipulate that you have books, guns, chicks, a nice house, cars, etc...


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fine I'll just leave and you can take over my spot.. I'm sure you'll do well being so many people around here like you so much, and you give such great AAS advice


all you do is cause division here .. JUST LEAVE ALREADY . nobody likes you or wants you here.
you make every thread go to shit with your bullshit constantly arguing over everything you can find to argue (you've never once attempted to try and actually help someone with advice ,, just trying to argue all day long with others, thats all you do)
your probably one of the biggest assholes ever to stop by this place..

[C27H40O3]

guarantee your odds of NOT getting locked up are way higher when that intruder is dead and can't testify against you for his own stupidity breaking into your home.

you really want to shoot a lion with a 22lr then go try to skin it and it ends up biting you head off cause its injured and pissed off .. no. make sure that shit is dead

No lions in my neighborhood. But folks have died when getting shot in the arm with a .22 when the bullet hits the bone, ricochets into the side of the chest and tears into the heart and lungs bouncing around like a pinball. I’d rather a 9mm hit my arm and break the bone than get hit there with a .22 that will tear up my chest internals after being deflected off that same bone.


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[GearHeaded]

you needed to shoot a guy in self defense at 150 feet away. that is four houses away in my neighborhood. They will claim that the guy was no threat to you at that distance.

I don't get this whole idea of range .. 150 ft away ? who the heck does that.. every battle with an intruder normally takes place within 7 feet . why do you keep bringing up that rifles are only for long range ?
they are for defense of your home and property from criminals who want to harm you or your family .

has nothing to do with long range .

hunting is and can be long range sure . but what does using a rife for home defense have to do with all this long range shit you keep bringing up ?
let me guess, you probably have a 380 handgun and a weak 20g shotgun with bird shot in it, and thats your go to .. good luck with that

[C27H40O3]

I don't get this whole idea of range .. 150 ft away ? who the heck does that.. every battle with an intruder normally takes place within 7 feet . why do you keep bringing up that rifles are only for long range ?
they are for defense of your home and property from criminals who want to harm you or your family .

has nothing to do with long range .

hunting is and can be long range sure . but what does using a rife for home defense have to do with all this long range shit you keep bringing up ?
let me guess, you probably have a 380 handgun and a weak 20g shotgun with bird shot in it, and thats your go to .. good luck with that

You must be posting while high or drunk. I never said rifles are only for long range. They are deadly close up too. My point was about overpenetration with kids asleep in the house and neighbors sleeping 12 feet outside my window. Put the bottle down. Or read better.

I dont keep bringing up long range. I specifically said i practice at the range no more than 25 yards.

I posted videos of Afghanistan because you said all their shooting is done in homes.

If you read the post i was responding to, it mentioned a 9mm not penetrating a windshield at 50 yards. Hence my reply that that distance is irrelevant to me.


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