AI or not?

[charger69]

I know guys who get gyno on TRT dosages of TEST so an AI or SERM is necessary for some. If you use them right an AI can be used safely with no side effects. I feel as though I always look better when I use a small amount of an AI. People get carried away with the amounts they use and that's where you see problems.

There isn’t concern about their safe use. The reason is that you are blocking estrogen. Estrogen is anabolic. Other than gyno, why would you want to block it?
Yes, estrogen can lead to some water retention but unless you are taking large amounts of aromatizing substances, you should be OK.

NOTE: everyone is different so this is a general comment and not all of the population fall into this category.


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[Gallowmere]

There isn’t concern about their safe use. The reason is that you are blocking estrogen. Estrogen is anabolic. Other than gyno, why would you want to block it?
Yes, estrogen can lead to some water retention but unless you are taking large amounts of aromatizing substances, you should be OK.

NOTE: everyone is different so this is a general comment and not all of the population fall into this category.


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Honestly, I’m coming around to Broderick Chavez’s way of thinking on this.
If you’re gyno prone, just get the shit cut out and be done with it, instead of slowing your progress while trying to put off the inevitable.

[i_SLAM_cougars]

Honestly, I’m coming around to Broderick Chavez’s way of thinking on this.
If you’re gyno prone, just get the shit cut out and be done with it, instead of slowing your progress while trying to put off the inevitable.

That’s what I would do. Or use gear that doesn’t convert to estrogen and just run test at TRT dose all the time.

[Gallowmere]

That’s what I would do. Or use gear that doesn’t convert to estrogen and just run test at TRT dose all the time.

The only problem there, is that there’s a good chance that you cut yourself off from a few things that don’t covert, but can still cause gyno of one type or another. Nandrolone, Tren, Anadrol, etc. also probably need to come off of the table.
If I were suddenly limited to TRT test, Masteron, Primo and a handful of orals, I’d personally either say “fuck gear” altogether, or suck it up and get the surgery. A few thousand dollars and a short recovery period beats the fuck out of a lifetime of paranoia and stress, IMO.

[i_SLAM_cougars]

The only problem there, is that there’s a good chance that you cut yourself off from a few things that don’t covert, but can still cause gyno of one type or another. Nandrolone, Tren, Anadrol, etc. also probably need to come off of the table.
If I were suddenly limited to TRT test, Masteron, Primo and a handful of orals, I’d personally either say “fuck gear” altogether, or suck it up and get the surgery. A few thousand dollars and a short recovery period beats the fuck out of a lifetime of paranoia and stress, IMO.

I agree 100% for anyone who’s serious about the life. But I imagine the more recreational lifter/gear user/ HRT/ “I don’t want to get TOO big” guys would benefit just fine from TRT test, primo, Var, EQ, DHB, Stenbolone, Masteron, Winstrol, tbol, halo, superdrol, HGH, SARMs, peptides, etc.

[Gallowmere]

I agree 100% for anyone who’s serious about the life. But I imagine the more recreational lifter/gear user/ HRT/ “I don’t want to get TOO big” guys would benefit just fine from TRT test, primo, Var, EQ, DHB, Stenbolone, Masteron, Winstrol, tbol, halo, superdrol, HGH, SARMs, peptides, etc.

That’s absolutely fair.
I’m one of the fortunate ones who just never had to give a shit because my aromatization is so low anyway. I do want to see just how far I can push it starting on my next cycle though, just to see what happens.
Probably going to just run between 1-1.5g Test E/week with no ancils or anything else, because fuck it, why not? I’m not expecting anything earth shattering, but I’ve heard nothing but good things about getting solo test above the 1g/week range, and I’m curious to see how I respond.

[i_SLAM_cougars]

That’s absolutely fair.
I’m one of the fortunate ones who just never had to give a shit because my aromatization is so low anyway. I do want to see just how far I can push it starting on my next cycle though, just to see what happens.
Probably going to just run between 1-1.5g Test E/week with no ancils or anything else, because fuck it, why not? I’m not expecting anything earth shattering, but I’ve heard nothing but good things about getting solo test above the 1g/week range, and I’m curious to see how I respond.

I’m in the same boat as you. I don’t think I have glands. I’ve never gotten so much as a pinhead sized lump, and that’s running a gram of test, 600mg of deca, and 100mg of Dbol a day. So I have to assume I just can’t get gyno. Never lactated or any of that weird shit from the 19nors either.

Test at the 1000mg+ range is where it starts to shine. It’s like a whole new compound. I never use to run it that high and regarded it as just a base. That was a mistake. It becomes quite anabolic at the proper dosing. I could see running 1500-2000mg as a stand alone cycle, and getting good results from it. I probably won’t because phase cycling is still more efficient, but if test was the only thing you had access to I’m sure you could do pretty well running cycles like that.

[charger69]

That’s absolutely fair.
I’m one of the fortunate ones who just never had to give a shit because my aromatization is so low anyway. I do want to see just how far I can push it starting on my next cycle though, just to see what happens.
Probably going to just run between 1-1.5g Test E/week with no ancils or anything else, because fuck it, why not? I’m not expecting anything earth shattering, but I’ve heard nothing but good things about getting solo test above the 1g/week range, and I’m curious to see how I respond.

You will do just fine. GH had what he called super osmotic compensation. 1.5 g test, MK, etc. , no AI. I fucking grew like a weed. The problem was that I got endema. I waited a little and lowered things for a week because it was getting painful. I had a little Obs on my shoulder telling me to do it (LOL). I said fuck it and went back up. I just couldn’t keep going after 2 weeks.
You do need to be careful when doing something like that because you can begin to shut down your body, but I have never grown like that before. When you see the incredible growth, you are like “wow”, i didn’t know that was possible.
Anyone that says estrogen is bad, has never experienced this.
Gallow- although different then my cycle, you will grow from it. I guarenteee you.


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[Ashop]

There isn’t concern about their safe use. The reason is that you are blocking estrogen. Estrogen is anabolic. Other than gyno, why would you want to block it?
Yes, estrogen can lead to some water retention but unless you are taking large amounts of aromatizing substances, you should be OK.

NOTE: everyone is different so this is a general comment and not all of the population fall into this category.


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You said it best. EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT. I'm working with a guy in his late 40's right now thats on 70mg per week of TRT and showing signs of gyno. All our bodies can differ from one another. No set standard.

[AR's King Silabolin]

There isn’t concern about their safe use. The reason is that you are blocking estrogen. Estrogen is anabolic. Other than gyno, why would you want to block it?
Yes, estrogen can lead to some water retention but unless you are taking large amounts of aromatizing substances, you should be OK.

NOTE: everyone is different so this is a general comment and not all of the population fall into this category.


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Strongly dont get this. Estrogen is anabolic but for sure test is way more anabolic.
So why the heck is it ok for your prescious test to convert into something less anabolic??
A little borderhigh is ok because of the cardiatic benefits, allowing to up the androgens in a safe way.

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[Gallowmere]

Strongly dont get this. Estrogen is anabolic but for sure test is way more anabolic.
So why the heck is it ok for your prescious test to convert into something less anabolic??
A little borderhigh is ok because of the cardiatic benefits, allowing to up the androgens in a safe way.

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Hypothetically, you’re right, but in practice it doesn’t work that way. As Chavez has pointed out, talk to any guy with gyno (either present or removed) and ask them when their best gains happened. Nine times of ten, you’ll get “when this happened”.
That’s the basis of his point about just getting the shit cut out if you’re prone, instead of dramatically slowing down progress in the name of trying to delay the inevitable.