Guns and Ammo Thread

[Cuz]

Listen im a Trumper but I honestly dont think he gives a fuck about 2A, if he did, he would put the atf in their place. Ive seen his ads and he frequently posts about 2A. Just seems to me its not really priority. Biden I firmly believe would do his best banning AR’s ive heard him say on more than one occasion “you dont need a 30 round mag” ....well in that case i dont “need” a 600hp car either but its nice to have if you like that sort of thing. Our gun rights are being infringed upon and i dont like it. The atf needs to sit down

[DustMan]

Listen im a Trumper but I honestly dont think he gives a fuck about 2A, if he did, he would put the atf in their place. Ive seen his ads and he frequently posts about 2A. Just seems to me its not really priority. Biden I firmly believe would do his best banning AR’s ive heard him say on more than one occasion “you dont need a 30 round mag” ....well in that case i dont “need” a 600hp car either but its nice to have if you like that sort of thing. Our gun rights are being infringed upon and i dont like it. The atf needs to sit down

I don't think people should have access to guns for reasons you are probably already aware of, I'm not here to argue over it, I just want to say that I totally get the 600hp car analogy because I fucking love guns man. A cousin of mine is a total gun nut, he's got holo scopes and .45 calibers and sniper rifles, everything, and there are few things more satisfying than an afternoon of shooting down at the range.

[Cuz]

I don't think people should have access to guns for reasons you are probably already aware of, I'm not here to argue over it, I just want to say that I totally get the 600hp car analogy because I fucking love guns man. A cousin of mine is a total gun nut, he's got holo scopes and .45 calibers and sniper rifles, everything, and there are few things more satisfying than an afternoon of shooting down at the range.

I think we need a harsher justice system man. Give criminals tougher sentences, death penalty’s and so on. Instead of penalizing EVERYONE by taking away gun rights, lets just punish the ones that break the law. And dont get me wrong sometimes the system does work. I know we got overcrowded prisons and all the nonsense , kill these fucking hard criminals and crime will go down. Its a theory anyway. Guys like me and u who are responsible gun owners take the blow.

Take 2017 ok we lost bumpfire stocks... they were cool, i was gonna order one but hey no big deal right...i guess.

[Honkey_Kong]

I don't think people should have access to guns for reasons you are probably already aware of, I'm not here to argue over it, I just want to say that I totally get the 600hp car analogy because I fucking love guns man. A cousin of mine is a total gun nut, he's got holo scopes and .45 calibers and sniper rifles, everything, and there are few things more satisfying than an afternoon of shooting down at the range.

I need a car with 760hp.

I think we need a harsher justice system man. Give criminals tougher sentences, death penalty’s and so on. Instead of penalizing EVERYONE by taking away gun rights, lets just punish the ones that break the law. And dont get me wrong sometimes the system does work. I know we got overcrowded prisons and all the nonsense , kill these fucking hard criminals and crime will go down. Its a theory anyway. Guys like me and u who are responsible gun owners take the blow.

Take 2017 ok we lost bumpfire stocks... they were cool, i was gonna order one but hey no big deal right...i guess.

The main reason for these gun laws isn't to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. It's solely about making a population with absolutely no defense for any crimes the government wants to commit against those people. 2A is not about defending yourself from some thugs that break in to your house (it's a nice side-effect). It's about defending against a tyrant government.

But yeah, I think we should be tougher with our penalties for crimes. But then again, anything where "the state" is the victim shouldn't be a crime. Nobody should be in jail because they have or sell drugs and they shouldn't be in jail for using them either. People should have the freedom to make poor life choices. At the same time, pedophiles, rapists and murders should get put down instead of housed in prison. There is no rehabilitating them.

[Test Monsterone]

I need a car with 760hp.



The main reason for these gun laws isn't to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. It's solely about making a population with absolutely no defense for any crimes the government wants to commit against those people. 2A is not about defending yourself from some thugs that break in to your house (it's a nice side-effect). It's about defending against a tyrant government.

It’s ironic to me that you guys that are all for the 2a (I’m for it too, it’s not my hobby/passion), claim you want it to protect against a tyrannical government, but then support a president who is slowly turning this country into a tyrannical government. I mean he’s doing the same thing Putin is doing in Russia. Trump repeatedly said he may not accept the results of the election and may not step down from office. Anyhow, I don’t see how you can rationalize that.

[Honkey_Kong]

It’s ironic to me that you guys that are all for the 2a (I’m for it too, it’s not my hobby/passion), claim you want it to protect against a tyrannical government, but then support a president who is slowly turning this country into a tyrannical government. I mean he’s doing the same thing Putin is doing in Russia. Trump repeatedly said he may not accept the results of the election and may not step down from office. Anyhow, I don’t see how you can rationalize that.

I think you got something about me very wrong. I'm not a fan of Donnie or Joe. In fact I despise them, all of the major parties, the entire media (mainstream and "not so mainstream"), the education system, the big corporations and the cabal that rules over them all.

I also understand almost all people base entirely what they know on things they hear from the media, what they've been indoctrinated with in school and crap their churches and families drilled in to them. Even if elections were legitimate, the people voting in them are incapable of making sound decisions.

A candidate doesn't get put on a ballot, unless they're hand-picked by the real people that control America. Likewise propositions don't get put on ballots without similar approval.

So no, I don't support any of it. The fear of armed insurrection is the only thing pushing back at all and that's being eroded day by day.

[Beetlegeuse]

Listen im a Trumper but I honestly dont think he gives a fuck about 2A, if he did, he would put the atf in their place. ...

I doubt he cares about 2A other than it's an integral part of the whole of the constitution, but I do believe he cares about the Constitution as a whole. Like I don't care about my appendix but I like holding on to it because it's part of my original equipment. I do think his use of Executive Action to UNCONSTITUTIONALLY ban bump-fire stocks was due to his general ignorance of firearms (and gun laws), and definitely should be seen as a red flag.

But as for the ATF, I think he realizes there are certain (probably many) government functions he lacks the expertise to screw around with (and have any prospect of making an improvement). I doubt very seriously he knows the difference between the 1935 NFA and the 1968 GCA and the 1986 Hughes Amendment, but they're all interrelated and relevant. If/when he turns to it, I suspect he will enlist the aid of someone who is a subject matter expert.

Not to mention his #1 campaign promise was to Drain The Swamp, and he's making steady progress in that regard but that progress comes at a cost, especially with the insurrection going on the demoncrat ranks. His political capital is limited and finite. What he's doing is a lot like playing a chess match in that he's got to take care not to expend his pawns so quickly in pursuit of his lesser objectives that it endangers his goal of capturing the demoncrat's king.

And if he had diddled with the ATF even a tiny bit, and if after that there came even the tiniest up-tick in crime statistics -- any statistic whatsoever, relevant or not, and regardless whether it was precipitated by his diddling -- the demoncrats most assuredly would have harangued him with that and it could have jeopardized his chances for a second term.

He's also made frequent mention of IRS reform in the past, and that's another one he hasn't embarked on yet, and the impact of that would be even more beneficial than jerking a knot in the ATF's ass. But I expect the pace of quicken after his second inauguration and hope to see action on both the IRS and the ATF in his second term.

And with ACB on SCOTUS, I have no doubt they will re-visit Roe-v-Wade before 2025. It's legal arguments are so ridiculously weak that I can't imagine a conservative court not at least knocking it back a peg or two if not altogether overturning it.

I think we need a harsher justice system man....

I think there's less of a problem with the system being too lax than with liberal judges turning law enforcement into "catch and release." We don't have a "revolving door" prison system because of weak sentencing, we have it because of judges who use the power of their robes to alter the sentencing guidelines, often countermanding the sentence by the judge who heard the case in the first place.