Post election Covid news

[The Deadlifting Dog]

I am from the camp of its a VIRUS, just like the cold. Everyone will get this at some point.

Except that people die from Covid.

Covid is the #1 cause of death in the US in the last week.
Over 2800 Americans died of Covid yesterday.
That is 1 American every 30 seconds.

It amazes me that people don't complain that the government mandates that they wear pants in public but...
They complain about their freedom when the government asks them to wear a mask.

During the Spanish Flu it was considered Patriotic to wear a mask.
People that didn't wear a mask were called Mask Slackers.

Now people think it is Patriotic to not wear a mask.
Endangering your fellow American is somehow considered Patriotic.

[Cuz]

Except that people die from Covid.

Covid is the #1 cause of death in the US in the last week.
Over 2800 Americans died of Covid yesterday.
That is 1 American every 30 seconds.

It amazes me that people don't complain that the government mandates that they wear pants in public but...
They complain about their freedom when the government asks them to wear a mask.

During the Spanish Flu it was considered Patriotic to wear a mask.
People that didn't wear a mask were called Mask Slackers.

Now people think it is Patriotic to not wear a mask.
Endangering your fellow American is somehow considered Patriotic.

Its a rough virus no doubt its very strange too. Our kids got it along with me and mrs . The kids were sicker from the flu and strep throat, much much sicker. As for me it’s probably the sickest ive been ever from viral or bacterial infections. It didnt hit the wife as hard as me we are both mid 30s. Supposed to be in decent health. I definitely dont want to get it again i often wonder if i could have done anything to prevent from catching it and usually decide probably i would have gotten it anyway.

I think a valid point to bring up is how quickly this “vaccine” was created. I understand its the number one subject on every mews social tv media whatever. Is THE topic but damn, how much research went into this.

[tarmyg]

I think a valid point to bring up is how quickly this “vaccine” was created. I understand its the number one subject on every mews social tv media whatever. Is THE topic but damn, how much research went into this.

What specific questions do you have? I am part of the effort doing data science so happy to elaborate on anything I can actually answer.

[kelkel]

What specific questions do you have? I am part of the effort doing data science so happy to elaborate on anything I can actually answer.

Did not know that. Thanks for your efforts!

[Cuz]

What specific questions do you have? I am part of the effort doing data science so happy to elaborate on anything I can actually answer.

Oh cool thats great. How come we don’t have a vaccine for the common cold? Or the original SARS virus? How was it created so very quickly in your opinion? Is it really 94% effective against an infection of the covid19 sars2 virus? Is it basically like the flu vaccine?

[tarmyg]

Oh cool thats great. How come we don’t have a vaccine for the common cold? Or the original SARS virus? How was it created so very quickly in your opinion? Is it really 94% effective against an infection of the covid19 sars2 virus? Is it basically like the flu vaccine?

Vaccines are always to generate immunity from viruses that can cause severe long term health impacts (like polio) or death (like most of the diseases we have vaccines for). Some viruses, like the common cold and cold sores (a type of herpes), have little to no complications and death except for extreme circumstances (like if the person has AIDS). Thus, there is no health, economic, or societal need for a vaccine for the common cold.

I am not sure what you mean by the "original SARS virus", but there are vaccines for several of the coronavirus-related illnesses. In some cases, the vaccines are not mass produces or distributes as there are no breakouts. We don't take all vaccines that we have available. Smallpox, for example, has been eradicated except for very isolated cases.

The SARS-CoV-2 vaccine was created "so quickly" due to a massive international effort by thousands of scientists, companies, and countries across the world. There was tremendous worldwide effort and funding put into developing a vaccine. Under "normal" circumstances the vaccines take much longer as they are not supported by so many people or funding.

Is it at least 94% effective? According to testing, yes.

Is it like the flu vaccine? Yes and no. Yes, in the sense that the patient will not see much difference in the administration of the vaccine or its side effects. And no, it is not generated using the same biotechnology. In fact, there are several SARS-CoV-2 vaccines created using a number of methodologies that are in the final stages right now across the world.

[Cuz]

Vaccines are always to generate immunity from viruses that can cause severe long term health impacts (like polio) or death (like most of the diseases we have vaccines for). Some viruses, like the common cold and cold sores (a type of herpes), have little to no complications and death except for extreme circumstances (like if the person has AIDS). Thus, there is no health, economic, or societal need for a vaccine for the common cold.

I am not sure what you mean by the "original SARS virus", but there are vaccines for several of the coronavirus-related illnesses. In some cases, the vaccines are not mass produces or distributes as there are no breakouts. We don't take all vaccines that we have available. Smallpox, for example, has been eradicated except for very isolated cases.

The SARS-CoV-2 vaccine was created "so quickly" due to a massive international effort by thousands of scientists, companies, and countries across the world. There was tremendous worldwide effort and funding put into developing a vaccine. Under "normal" circumstances the vaccines take much longer as they are not supported by so many people or funding.

Is it at least 94% effective? According to testing, yes.

Is it like the flu vaccine? Yes and no. Yes, in the sense that the patient will not see much difference in the administration of the vaccine or its side effects. And no, it is not generated using the same biotechnology. In fact, there are several SARS-CoV-2 vaccines created using a number of methodologies that are in the final stages right now across the world.

Seems like you answered that pretty well . Its still very strange to me a vaccine was created in less than a year. And the “testing” will have to be trusted based on individuals themselves i dont think it should be mandated or forced upon people to take this vaccine but I believe we are headed that way. Id like for more “testing” to be done. I am pro vaccine as both my children have received every vaccine that has been available. And i was referring to the sars virus of 2002 when i said original sars virus. Apparently this version is much more contagious.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

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[wango]

What specific questions do you have? I am part of the effort doing data science so happy to elaborate on anything I can actually answer.

I have quite a few that are shared by my wife and many of our friends if you don’t mind taking the time. And no, I am not trying to be confrontational or negative, but we have been underwhelmed with the information provided to date regarding the vaccine(s).

By successful, what is meant by that:
*Not dying?
*No hospitalization?
*if hospitalized, will ventilators be needed?
*No symptoms at all, mild symptoms or severe symptoms not requiring hospitalization?
* Break Down of those categories by age, gender & race.

Percentage of those that will get sick from the vaccine?
*How sick? Is there a chance of hospitalization or even death?
* If so, a breakdown of those possibilities per age, gender & race.

These are logical questions that should have some degree of knowledge in order to allow the individual to choose intelligently.

For what it’s worth, I am pro mask & pro social distancing & I support many if not all of the closures & the possibility of another lock down. But, as I said, the information that has been presented to date regarding the vaccines has been less than satisfactory.

You would be the very first person that I would have encountered on the front lines of this vaccine process & am really looking forward to your insight. Genuinely and sincerely thankful for your time.

[tarmyg]

I have quite a few that are shared by my wife and many of our friends if you don’t mind taking the time. And no, I am not trying to be confrontational or negative, but we have been underwhelmed with the information provided to date regarding the vaccine(s).

By successful, what is meant by that:
*Not dying?
*No hospitalization?
*if hospitalized, will ventilators be needed?
*No symptoms at all, mild symptoms or severe symptoms not requiring hospitalization?
* Break Down of those categories by age, gender & race.

So, for the vaccine that is 94% effective, that means 94% of people will achieve immunity and will therefore not be able to carry replicable virus levels in their bodies. The other 6% will not achieve immunity and will thus still be susceptible as we all are now, meaning of that 6%, IF they catch the virus, most will be asymptomatic and a small number will require treatment.

The important thing to remember is that the virus is caught from other people. If people take a vaccine that is 94% effective, that means 94% of people cannot transmit the virus AT ALL. thus, the chances of you catching it now go to WAY less than 6% considering that you have to be exposed to the virus from a person that is from that 6%, and that is <<6%. I hope this makes sense.

This is, in fact, the entire purpose of immunization - it protects everyone and can eventually eradicate the virus from the population, like smallpox and polio for many countries.

Percentage of those that will get sick from the vaccine?
*How sick? Is there a chance of hospitalization or even death?
* If so, a breakdown of those possibilities per age, gender & race.

This is not a number I have offhand because it would need to be gleaned from the clinical trial data for each vaccine. But regardless, this number is WAY less than the number getting the virus now, and your chance of getting seriously ill from the vaccine is FAR less than the chances currently. That refers to the above discussion. THIS is what herd immunity is, not the nonsense they spout about everyone getting sick.

[kelkel]

Now people think it is Patriotic to not wear a mask.
Endangering your fellow American is somehow considered Patriotic.

I don't get that feeling from what I see and read. I personally don't like wearing masks and I doubt anyone really does. But I think most all see the point of it. What upsets people, imho, is the disparate treatment via state and local government edict. Closing small stores while allowing big box retailers to stay open and increase profits exponentionally.

Arresting a restaurant/bar owner in NY for disregarding a closure notice while literally 1.5 blocks away the same type businesses are allowed to be open. Not to mention all the dumb ass politicians breaking their own rules and getting caught.....

[The Deadlifting Dog]

I don't get that feeling from what I see and read. I personally don't like wearing masks and I doubt anyone really does. Sil likes the leather ones with a zipper mouth... But I think most all see the point of it. What upsets people, imho, is the disparate treatment via state and local government edict. Closing small stores while allowing big box retailers to stay open and increase profits exponentionally.

Arresting a restaurant/bar owner in NY for disregarding a closure notice while literally 1.5 blocks away the same type businesses are allowed to be open. They try to shut down hot spots... A line has to be drawn somewhere... Its either that or do the entire city... Not to mention all the dumb ass politicians breaking their own rules and getting caught..... Complete asses. Agreed

Not sure how to handle areas that have intensive community infections...
I do think they need to do something...
I do agree that it sucks that quite literally you can be closed and a guy across the street opened...

I do think that most businesses and schools can be open if people wear mask and reduce capacity if needed...
I have trouble thinking that bars should be open unless you limit capacity...
Drunk people and following guidelines don't go hand in hand.

[kelkel]

I have trouble thinking that bars should be open unless you limit capacity...
Drunk people and following guidelines don't go hand in hand.

True on both counts.

[Cuz]

I don't get that feeling from what I see and read. I personally don't like wearing masks and I doubt anyone really does. But I think most all see the point of it. What upsets people, imho, is the disparate treatment via state and local government edict. Closing small stores while allowing big box retailers to stay open and increase profits exponentionally.

Arresting a restaurant/bar owner in NY for disregarding a closure notice while literally 1.5 blocks away the same type businesses are allowed to be open. Not to mention all the dumb ass politicians breaking their own rules and getting caught.....

I think this pretty well nailed it. My thoughts exactly.

[almostgone]

I don't get that feeling from what I see and read. I personally don't like wearing masks and I doubt anyone really does. But I think most all see the point of it. What upsets people, imho, is the disparate treatment via state and local government edict. Closing small stores while allowing big box retailers to stay open and increase profits exponentionally.

Arresting a restaurant/bar owner in NY for disregarding a closure notice while literally 1.5 blocks away the same type businesses are allowed to be open. Not to mention all the dumb ass politicians breaking their own rules and getting caught.....

Exactly, Kel. That's the kick in the nuts with this, particularly on the local level. We have so-called leaders that don't lead. If they can't lead by example they have no right to arbitrarily crush people's livelihoods.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Now people think it is Patriotic to not wear a mask.
Endangering your fellow American is somehow considered Patriotic.

I don't get that feeling from what I see and read. I personally don't like wearing masks and I doubt anyone really does. But I think most all see the point of it.

These are the people I was referring too...

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Not looking to start a fight.
Just think you may thought I was attacking people here.

I thought my point was obvious but I think I failed to make it.

There is a subset of America that thinks wearing masks is Un-American.
That it is part of a vast conspiracy to rid them of their freedom...
and thus in not wearing a mask they are fighting for Freedom.