Gear and Keto

[wango]

IF you understand nutrition, this can easily work for a prolonged amount of time, without sacrificing health or sanity. That said, you had damn well be disciplined or you’re doomed.

Regarding carbs (and fiber), stick with vegetables super-low on the glycemic index. Your pancreas & colon will thank you btw.

Regarding protein, stick with clean, low saturated fat varieties (this does get dull), and btw, you better love and can afford good fish, or it’s chicken, chicken & more chicken.



Regarding fats, stay as unsaturated as you can.

Pop a multivitamin if your vitamins & minerals are off (which they shouldn’t if you know nutrition, and you can do this forever.

It’s got a fancy label (Keto), but it’s intelligent & healthy nutrition.

[teedoff]

IF you understand nutrition, this can easily work for a prolonged amount of time, without sacrificing health or sanity. That said, you had damn well be disciplined or you’re doomed.

Regarding carbs (and fiber), stick with vegetables super-low on the glycemic index. Your pancreas & colon will thank you btw.

Regarding protein, stick with clean, low saturated fat varieties (this does get dull), and btw, you better love and can afford good fish, or it’s chicken, chicken & more chicken.



Regarding fats, stay as unsaturated as you can.

Pop a multivitamin if your vitamins & minerals are off (which they shouldn’t if you know nutrition, and you can do this forever.

It’s got a fancy label (Keto), but it’s intelligent & healthy nutrition.

Well maybe I'm confused on what keto truly is then. I've been eating low glycemic for years. Well when I'm dieting for real. Lol.

But the lower carbs more fat mentioned above seems backwards. Or i should say good carbs.

[Zenpump]

IF you understand nutrition, this can easily work for a prolonged amount of time, without sacrificing health or sanity. That said, you had damn well be disciplined or you’re doomed.

Regarding carbs (and fiber), stick with vegetables super-low on the glycemic index. Your pancreas & colon will thank you btw.

Regarding protein, stick with clean, low saturated fat varieties (this does get dull), and btw, you better love and can afford good fish, or it’s chicken, chicken & more chicken.



Regarding fats, stay as unsaturated as you can.

Pop a multivitamin if your vitamins & minerals are off (which they shouldn’t if you know nutrition, and you can do this forever.

It’s got a fancy label (Keto), but it’s intelligent & healthy nutrition.

Very well said

[Zenpump]

The original question was to poll if anyone had EXPERIENCE running AAS with Keto.

[wango]

The original question was to poll if anyone had EXPERIENCE running AAS with Keto.

My last run with both was last year. It was a 6 month stretch with .75mg (correction .35 mg 2x/week) test 2x/wk. Had I added my old dosage of 1.5 iu’s of HGH or ran var? Holy crap, but I wanted & deserved the hurt; I slacked big time during Covid.

Dropped a total of 30-35 pounds of fat and regained all muscle lost due to Covid inactivity. Went several months with absolutely no bread, pasta or rice; carbs were low glycemic veggies, usually raw.

Protein was lots of fish, chicken, (red meat only once/ 2-3 weeks). Eggs; almost always the whites.

No milk, minimal low fat cheese; no butter, low fat salad dressing. Lots of salsa for seasoning.

No snacks or deserts.

Weights on average of 4x/wk. Cardio was 4-6/wk.

No lethargy, but would sometimes get a little light headed during fasted morning workouts.

You sure ain’t putting on muscle size for sure, but even with low caloric intake, sometimes 1000 or less per day, I gained muscle. Not bad for 64.

Like anything diet wise; you have to be disciplined and you had better workout.

I’ve previously ran it with mast, tren, HGH and test, but I think my results would have been better with far more carbs & calories, thus, no Keto. But damn, that tren leaned me out and I had never been as vascular.

[Zenpump]

My last run with both was last year. It was a 6 month stretch with .75mg test 2x/wk. Had I added my old dosage of 1.5 iu’s of HGH or ran var? Holy crap, but I wanted & deserved the hurt; I slacked big time during Covid.

Dropped a total of 30-35 pounds of fat and regained all muscle lost due to Covid inactivity. Went several months with absolutely no bread, pasta or rice; carbs were low glycemic veggies, usually raw.

Protein was lots of fish, chicken, (red meat only once/ 2-3 weeks). Eggs; almost always the whites.

No milk, minimal low fat cheese; no butter, low fat salad dressing. Lots of salsa for seasoning.

No snacks or deserts.

Weights on average of 4x/wk. Cardio was 4-6/wk.

No lethargy, but would sometimes get a little light headed during fasted morning workouts.

You sure ain’t putting on muscle size for sure, but even with low caloric intake, sometimes 1000 or less per day, I gained muscle. Not bad for 64.

Like anything diet wise; you have to be disciplined and you had better workout.

I’ve previously ran it with mast, tren, HGH and test, but I think my results would have been better with far more carbs & calories, thus, no Keto. But damn, that tren leaned me out and I had never been as vascular.

Thanks for the insights. I'm 4 days into a cyclic Keto run. Works great for me and I get the best of both worlds - Ketosis for the fat burn and I can re-feed with carbs my one cheat day to and work my heaviest lift days around this day. Frankly, I am having trouble getting rid of some stubborn belly fat and the best way I know to nuke it (I bust my ass in the gym so it's not that) is Keto. I have successfully worked back into a typical clean eating plan with little problem. Not going to do ephedrine, clen, etc at my age.

[wango]

Thanks for the insights. I'm 4 days into a cyclic Keto run. Works great for me and I get the best of both worlds - Ketosis for the fat burn and I can re-feed with carbs my one cheat day to and work my heaviest lift days around this day. Frankly, I am having trouble getting rid of some stubborn belly fat and the best way I know to nuke it (I bust my ass in the gym so it's not that) is Keto. I have successfully worked back into a typical clean eating plan with little problem. Not going to do ephedrine, clen, etc at my age.

There’s always surgery, lol.

I miss my HGH, but if it has even the slightest chance of increased cancer risk right now (prostate or colon are logical concerns) it just ain’t worth it.

[Zenpump]

There’s always surgery, lol.

I miss my HGH, but if it has even the slightest chance of increased cancer risk right now (prostate or colon are logical concerns) it just ain’t worth it.

No surgery.

[tarmyg]

The original question was to poll if anyone had EXPERIENCE running AAS with Keto.

Yes. Looking back at all my years with Ketogenic diet on and off I have had my fair share of it. I always thought ketogenic diet worked better for me until I realized how well I do on a low fat diet. When cutting the volume of food makes, for me, a huge difference. Filling up your stomach makes it easier to stick to it.

When building muscle using a ketogenic approach is just dumb. Both from a science, evidence, and anecdotal perspective. Just zero reason it would be beneficial unless there is medical reason for it like i.e., epilepsy.

Not sure any of that is useful information for you?

[Zenpump]

Yes. Looking back at all my years with Ketogenic diet on and off I have had my fair share of it. I always thought ketogenic diet worked better for me until I realized how well I do on a low fat diet. When cutting the volume of food makes, for me, a huge difference. Filling up your stomach makes it easier to stick to it.

When building muscle using a ketogenic approach is just dumb. Both from a science, evidence, and anecdotal perspective. Just zero reason it would be beneficial unless there is medical reason for it like i.e., epilepsy.

Not sure any of that is useful information for you?

"Low Fat"...come on bro the world left that in the 1990's. Do some research. Keto or no Keto, you NEED fat in your diet for countless reasons.

And with respect to Keto. even AI knows: "Yes, it is possible to build muscle on a keto diet. Studies show that both the ketogenic diet and a traditional Western diet are equally effective for muscle gain, strength, and performance".