HCG (Pregnyl) FAQ

[runakid]

well when my wife got some the doctoer told her to store it in the fridge, no explanation for it.. i guess it would stay fresh longer !! ha ha ha ha.. serious the doc didnt give a reason, i suppose room temp may do something to it like antibotics liquid

[Merc..]

Bacteria can form in it ( after it is mixed) so keeping it in the fridge is required...



Merc.

[gangers]

if i was to take testosterone enanthate could i use hcg with nolva for the entire 6 weeks of pct untill i start testosterone enanthate again.

this way my testosterone levels would never drop much.

[Jumbo18]

10)How much Hcg is needed during cycle and/or pct?
For pct a minimum of 10,000iu's hcg is needed. When you have a proper pct planned with a serm and an AI, and you want to run hcg during the last 4 weeks of your cycle, then you might only need 5,000iu's.
An anti-estrogen (Nolva, etc.) is to be used with hcg during your last 4 weeks of cycle.

when it says An Anti-estrogen (Nolva, etc.) is to be used with hcg during your last 4 weeks of cycle. I thought nolva shouldn't be used on cycle, so what does that statement mean?

[xrame]

good info !!!

would hcg be needed for a cycle of
test e 500mg 1- 12 weeks and
dbol 25 mg ed for 1 - 6 weeks

it would be my first cycle or will clomid be enough for that cycle ?

[binsser]

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anyone who read this from the start wouldnt need to ask where its been answered 3 times already lololol

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[Wolverine88]

hey guys

u have all been a huge help to me in th epast so here i am asking yet another question

i am finishing up a 600mg sust a week cycle with tren everyother day. i just got hcg. i am not sure on the correct way to take hcg. everyone has a different way. i have 5000iu hcg. can someone please tell me what dosage and how many days please

thanks again

[JohnnyClutch]

Hi fellas... Ive been reading for the last 2-3 hours, and still havent found much info on how to inject this stuff...
insulin needle right?
29g? 30g?...
1/2"? 3/8"?...
1cc syringe? 1/2cc? 3/10cc?...
so far the popular method is the fat below the belly button... anywhere else?

also, the product im ordering says its packaged in 2 vials...one a powder, the other a sterile solvent...after mixing the vials, i have a 1ml solvent...i wanna inject about 125iu's 2x a week (during the last 4 weeks of my cycle, not as PCT)...how many cc's will that be??

again this is not to restore my nuts, this is to prevent them from ever shrinking
my aas cycle is basic...test en 250 2x a week for 10 weeks and dbol 50mgs a day for the first 4 weeks
i plan on starting up hcg with 4 or 5 weeks left on my cycle...
any and all input is appreciated, thanks

[BigDawg44]

So im about to start a prop tren cycle 150 eod prop and 75 eod tren I read some where that HCG will be needed after the use of tren to help the body come back to normal But here you state only heavy cycles i know tren is vicious on the body but i think at the low dose im taking it ill will be ok any advice would be great thanks

[EasyDoesIt]

If you are referring to my post the heavy cycle statement refers to using hcg while on a cycle of 20 weeks, which is 250 units twice weekly. I would definitely use pct after the cycle you are referring to. I am assuming you are going to do 10 week cycle. Probably not a good idea to do tren for longer than 10 weeks max. I don't think it would be necessary to use hcg while on your cycle if it is around 10 weeks.

[Tlee8769]

Is HCG mandatory when taking nolva and aromasin? Getting alot of mixed reviews?

[5x10]

Is HCG mandatory when taking nolva and aromasin? Getting alot of mixed reviews?

the theory is, ledgye cells(which produce test) atrophy or die while not getting stimulated by LH(hcg)
so after 16 weeks of not getting stimulated, your capacity to produce test is severely limited(some studies suggest an almost 98% loss in ledge cells)
so when you start your serms, you will be producing significantly less tes until your ledgye cells either regrow, or grow as new LH signals are being sent to them

this is the analogy when i think of hcg
lets say you broke your leg, in a cast for 12 weeks and you cant stand on it
after 12 weeks, you get your cast off and now you have to rehab(recover) to be able to walk again
lets say that docs came out with some electrodes(hcg) they can attach to your leg muscles(ledgye cells),while in a cast, to help stimulate them and stop the atrophy of them
in theory, it would be easier to recovery from that injury with the electrodes as they would allow the muscles to be more prepared to walk again(make test)
hope it makes sense

[craiven]

this thread is very useful thanks alot guys

[DrSchmee]

Thanks Dude a lot of good info

[Maverick858]

Solid thread. Thank you for the info!

[mesotiny]

if i wanted to take 250 iu from a 500 per ml mix ,with u-100 type syringe,i extract 50iu to the syringe,correct?

[enystrom]

Hello,

Since this is a new thing for me, so far I am scared as hell to use hCG. I know its needed and will help me significantly. You should see my list of things to keep me on point, or my hormones in check. As soon as I can I will post my full stack. Just need to get past the 25 postings. I am doing a lot of research and agree,

[kamilor]

hey guys im new into its my first cycle. im running test and deca i want to know how should i run it and what i need for pct. can come one else me!!!

[HULKSMASH252]

So my question is... can i run hcg as a pct with out nolva? Ive been of cycle 500 of test e and 400 of deca a week for 4 weeks finished about two weeks ago. Couldnt find nolva or Clomid. But got some hcg. I know! Very stupid but i dont have any Signs of gyno. So can i just run the hcg? Like u said... better than nothing?

[Meow_Wolf]

9) and 14) were quite helpful. I've seen so many people say run it during cycle and many more say just for pct before clo/nolva.. This is the best of both worlds, starting it towards the last few weeks of the cycle. I would not have thought of that. Definitely going to do this.

[DozerMan]

Like many others have mentioned already regarding this posting; that was good of you taking the time to share what you know - thanks.

I suppose I can Google this, but you all are some smart fuckers when it comes to this stuff.
I find myself reading and re-reading some of these posts just to still be sitting here like... Duhhhh..

Anyways, should/could HcG be taken with HmG to help increase likelihood of having another child? Are there any drawbacks/concerns or maybe any other magical drug(s) to help erase the past few years of straight and utter irresponsible test use?
And is the HmG stuff hard to come by?

Thank you
- Smitty

[Jeffery Stamos]

Question: Here is an amateur question regarding PCT.
Why not just taper testosterone ( 300, 150, 75, 35, etc) to allow endogenous testosterone to increase as exogenous testosterone decreases. This is the process for weaning off of glucocorticoids in the medical setting? This should eliminate the need for hcg and anti-estrogens (Clovis/nolvadex)

Also, HCG is a LH analog. Administering it would decrease LH production so when hcg is finally discontinued LH would be suppressed and endogenous testosterone production would be as well. Then clomid/Nolvadex is administered to stimulate LH via its anti-estrogen effect. Why not taper testosterone and maybe add cloned/nolvadex and eliminate hcg all together?

[Test Monsterone]

Question: Here is an amateur question regarding PCT.
Why not just taper testosterone ( 300, 150, 75, 35, etc) to allow endogenous testosterone to increase as exogenous testosterone decreases. This is the process for weaning off of glucocorticoids in the medical setting? This should eliminate the need for hcg and anti-estrogens (Clovis/nolvadex)

Also, HCG is a LH analog. Administering it would decrease LH production so when hcg is finally discontinued LH would be suppressed and endogenous testosterone production would be as well. Then clomid/Nolvadex is administered to stimulate LH via its anti-estrogen effect. Why not taper testosterone and maybe add cloned/nolvadex and eliminate hcg all together?

I don’t believe in HCG as a PCT protocol, but I do believe in your theory of tapering down. I have had an endo suggest this to me if I want to come off completely. HCG should be taken throughout the cycle to ensure the leydig cells in the testes don’t become dormant. This ensures that the mechanics of producing endogenous testosterone remain functional. Yes, HCG is suppressive to the pituitary, but the pituitary can recover fairly quickly as it is a signaling unit vs a mechanical unit such as the testes.

[g800]

Does anyone know, or are you able to point me to a prior post, about the ability to use HCG and Clomid at the same time for PCT?

The HCG page on the main site talks about using HCG first and once done then starting Clomid. What about using Clomid at same time as HCG and continuing with it post HCG?

Thx!

[HS3]

thanks for confirming this for me...

on another note.. i see a lot of pics of HCG where one amp is equal to 5000 ui strength and then 1 ml of solvent, why dont they give you more solvent??? (ideally 10 ml for me) because no one injects 5000 ui / 1ml ... in other words, im finding or having difficulty with understanding how a HCG kit is mixed to reach 500 ui strength, because i will want to inject 500 ui 2x weekly for last 4 weeks of my cycle.

thanks for taking the time to answer my questions thus far.

HS3


EDIT:


15)How does hcg come packaged?
You get 2 vials or amps, 1 has the powdered hcg in it, and the other has a diluent in it(solvent). The diluent is typically bacteriostatic water, or sterile water w/ .09% sodium chloride. ***ending on the brand and version, the package commonly comes w/ enough diluent to make concentrations ranging from 250-10,000iu per ml.



nevermind that answered my question. i guess i need to make sure im certainly getting enough solvent in the package or get 2 packages.

[HS3]

so just to recap here... i would like some confirmation or opinions on my PCT i will be doing, checking if im on the right track...

cycle

Test cypionate 500mg pw (250 sunday/wednesday) 10 weeks
Boldenone Und. 300 mg pw (every friday, 6 weeks, i started using equiplex 3rd week into Test Cyp )


from what I understand Xmoe is saying I should start HCG the last 4 weeks of my cycle, so week 6 I would theoretically start using 500 iu per shot of HCG 2x a week until 10th week (cessation of all compounds at week 10 including HCG) and then in an ideal situation I would run nolva with Aromasin for 4 weeks after? Is this information correct?

I have arimidex on hand for estrogen control and I've used 2 mg so far during cycle and it seems that it completely anihilates estrogen altogether and thus I think is why my gains have been a little hindered (only 3rd week into cycle) so im not going to continue using small doses through out rather have it on hand for "safety measures" use it if gyno pops up.... also and but instead of nolvadex I have "fareston" which is "Toremifene Citrate" 50, 50mg caps.. is that an adequate nolvadex replacement?? I read it is superior to nolvadex in the sense it provides more strength per mg? (someone can confirm this? if so what dose would I use, 25 mg? so like a half cap? ED for 4 weeks ?)


I'm curious if anyone can help me put together a more solid PCT for my cycle, or at least clear up some of the haze in my head about my PCT.. pointers appreciated, Thanks.

HS3

edit: for HCG curious as to how effective doses of 500 iu are? I read previous threads saying 1000 iu once a week for 3 weeks with 25mg aromasin and 20 mg nolvadex + vit E 1000iu .. and i've also read that 250 iu with 3 shots a week is good ... trying not to be ignorant here, but i really would like to avoid the problem of desensitizing my leydig cells, so what is the best measure to use in the situation described above where Xmoe was saying to start using HCG by the 3rd or 4th last week during your cycle ? it seems as if HCG implementation for PCT protocols is still a bit confusing, or is it only me ? time to take a break from reading, goddamn.

edit2: seems there is still not a lot of info on Fareston yet, but I will report my results with it after i kick PCT in the ass.

[HS3]

Anyone got some thoughts?

[DannyNyce]

why don't they have pre-diluted hcg? or do they?

[Kale]

why don't they have pre-diluted hcg? or do they?

because it goes off very quickly when the water is added. It last 60 days max in the fridge

[OldManFrost]

Coop77, thanks for referencing this thread. Good info and easy to understand.

Thanks for the hard work on this guys. I will look at the weight loss aspect of this post as I am really in need of a lot of weight loss. I ran one weight loss cycle and ended up being short four or five doses of Primobal to go with the winny but finished up with the hcg in small doses twice a week for two weeks. It worked but I didn't really get my metablolism reset.

Thanks again for all the good info - GREAT SITE FORUM.

[ozzy_paul]

x moe, thanks for sharing this with us all. Much appreciated.

[Warrior1700]

I just got back from the Doc, I am currently on 200 Cyp and 100 deca. Was on 400 Cyp and 200 Deca but reduced it some(blood work came back high for test) Been on this for over 2 years now....Doc just outta the blue said he would like to give me HCG once a week(1000IUs for 5-6 months. 40 clams a hit.) Any ideas? Sounds like you need to get it more often. He said it will "strengthen" my testes.?? Help with test production, but if I am on a maintance dose of 200 Cyp and 100 Deca once a week, will HCG be of any benefit??

[GTOne]

what happens if you shake it when first mixed without knowing not to shake it? does it affect it's potency? should i get more and do a "re-do"?

[littlefella]

Edited

[Kragho]

Anyone who know how to take HCG as a diet?

[ebinezer]

Steroids are something that give support to testosterone's one kind of hormones present in human body. Mainly steroids are used by sports persons for great achievements. They go on doing this will replicate in their old age. Most of the body builders use this for excessive muscle growth in a short period. Doctors suggest these as pain killer for few major operations. It helps in excessive mass growth which becomes tough to reduce in later stages.
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[smokethedays]

Note: I got this FAQ from a different board, only Q#6,7,9,10,11 were added and written by me x_moe and few others that were edited to give you more info., hope you find this helpful.


1)What is HCG?
Hcg stands for Human Chorionic Gonadotropin.

2)Where does hcg come from?
It is extracted from the urine of pregnant women.

3)Is hcg a scheduled medication?
No, its similar to clomid and liquidex as far as US laws go. However you would need a prescription to purchase legally in the US.

4)What is hcg normally used for?
It is used to help females get pregnant, and can be used to stimulate testosterone production in males.

5)How does hcg work?
Hcg mimics LH(leutenizing hormone). The presence of LH causes the Leydig cells in the gonads to produce testosterone. This effect also restores the size of the testes rather quickly if they were suppressed from a cycle.

6)What should hcg be used for?
Hcg is commonly used by bodybuilders on either very heavy or very long cycles, when the hpta gets severely suppressed. Although hcg can be used in almost any cycle, the benefits are most pronounced on heavy/long ones.

7)How do you take it?
You can take it IM or Sub-q.

8)Can I use hcg only for Pct?
No you shouldn't. It is better than nothing, but clomid or nolva are far better plans. Since hcg mimics lh, your body wont begin producing its own lh, as it sees no need to because test levels are high. You stop the hcg, your balls stop making test until your body begins producing adequate levels of its own lh, and that may take a while if you don't use clomid or nolvadex to stimulate lh production. The use of Clomid or Nolvadex should also be continued at least 2 weeks after hcg is discontinued to avoid the hcg causing problems.

9)Can I use hcg during cycle and when?
Yes you can, imo to best benefit from Hcg is to run it by the last 3-4 weeks of your steroid cycle. Do not run hcg if your getting signs of gyno, hcg will make it worst, so becarful.

10)How much Hcg is needed during cycle and/or pct?
For pct a minimum of 10,000iu's hcg is needed. When you have a proper pct planned with a serm and an AI, and you want to run hcg during the last 4 weeks of your cycle, then you might only need 5,000iu's.
An anti-estrogen (Nolva, etc.) is to be used with hcg during your last 4 weeks of cycle.

11)What dose do you run hcg at?
Hcg is best dosed at 500iu and/or 1000iu, more than that can cause too much aromatization, and some people wont react to less than 500iu. So during the last 4 weeks of a cycle, you shoot 500iu of hcg twice a week or 1000iu once a week. For pct, 500iu ed or 1000iu eod.

12)Can hcg be used w/out steroids to boost test production above baseline?
Yes. It is not recommended however. Continued use of hcg will desensitize the leydig cells to lh, meaning once you stop using the hcg as an artificial lh, you will crash bad. The natural lh production once restored by using nolvadex or clomid, may not be as effective as it once was. To boost natural test above baseline, anastrozole, nolvadex and clomid are better choices.


13)How long does hcg boost testosterone for?
Hcg can boost testosterone for up to 5 days following the last dose, although the drugs halflife is very short, and its no longer active at that point.

14)Can hcg cause gyno?
Yes. Estrogen is elevated by two ways from hcg use. Primarily from the sharp rise in testosterone, which allows more testosterone to aromatize to estrogen. Secondly hcg can cause a small amount of estrogen to be produced which is not from the result of aromatizing, and this is the reason that a combination of an anti aromatize such as liquidex/arimidex/letrozole and a estrogen receptor blocker such as nolvadex are ideally used. The nolvadex may also offer some additional benefit to help avoid a negative estrogen feedback to the hpta during hcg therapy, which would otherwise slightly lessen the effectiveness of the therapy.

15)How does hcg come packaged?
You get 2 vials or amps, 1 has the powdered hcg in it, and the other has a diluent in it(solvent). The diluent is typically bacteriostatic water, or sterile water w/ .09% sodium chloride. ***ending on the brand and version, the package commonly comes w/ enough diluent to make concentrations ranging from 250-10,000iu per ml.

If your package is 5000iu, and you add 1ml diluent, you have 5000iu per ml.
If you add 5ml diluent, you final mix is then 1000iu per ml.
If you add 10ml diluent, then 500iu per ml and so on.

This is simple math, and you don't wanna screw it up, know what dose you are taking!

If your package doesn't include enough diluent to make the concentration you want, you have 2 options to make it easy to accurately measure your doses.

1-buy some insulin syringes, U-100 type. On the graduated markings, the 100iu mark is equal to 1ml, the 50iu is .5ml etc. THIS DOES NOT MEAN IF YOU FILL IT TO THE 100IU MARK THAT YOU ARE TAKING 100IU OF HCG! Iu's are not a measurement of volume or weight, they are a measure of effectiveness for a desired response from specific drugs/compounds. Every compound is different. These are insulin syringes, and they are made for insulin-not hcg. Insulin is the same iu concentration per ml everytime(if its u100 type), hcg is not. Imagine if you made your hcg 10,000iu per ml. if you fill the insulin syringe up to 100iu mark, you now have 10,000iu in there! Not good. You must understand this.
So if you had 5000iu per ml, and wanted to take a 500iu shot, you would inject 10iu on the insulin syringe scale.

2-buy some bacteriostatic water off the internet, its easily found. Simply add more to dilute it to the desired conscentration. Making lower concentrations are easier and more accurately dosed. Then it can accurately be measured w/ a regular syringe.

Mix the two together, they dissolve very easily. Hcg can be very unstable and to make sure to not shake it and let it foam.... Be careful when reconsituting it . Be gentle and run the bac water down the side of the vial not allowing to foam up... Keep things sterile folks. Unused hcg can be refrigerated and is ok to use within 30 days after the initial mixing.

Remember: Store hcg at controlled room temperature (59° to 86°F)(15° to 30°C). After reconstituting store in refrigerator (36° to 46°F) (2° to 8°C).

Absorption
A detectable rise in hcg is seen in 2 h; peak levels are reached in 6 h and remain at this level for 36 h.

Elimination
hcg levels begin to decline at 48 h and approach baseline at 72 h.

who said that you can run HCG while on cycle.
there is absolutely no pint of do that. as long as you tests see a high level ot testosterone or androgen in ur blood stream, it will go back to sleep, so wt's the point?!! gettin' bigger balls while on cycle for few days?

[dannydxd]

who said that you can run HCG while on cycle.
there is absolutely no pint of do that. as long as you tests see a high level ot testosterone or androgen in ur blood stream, it will go back to sleep, so wt's the point?!! gettin' bigger balls while on cycle for few days?

The consensus is that if you keep your nuts from shuttin down, it's a lot easier to get them producing Testosterone naturally after your cycle is through. Also, many people lose their libido during a cycle for this reason, especially the highly feared Deca-Dick, if that was your choice of roids. This effectively cuts down your PCT, which is very important since during PCT is when we're in a catabolic state losing mucle as we try to get our endogenous testosterone back up running normally. So running 250IUs twice a week through your whole cycle will prevent your nuts from shutting down. Any more than 1000IUs a week would probably start desensitizing the leydig cells.

[smokethedays]

The consensus is that if you keep your nuts from shuttin down, it's a lot easier to get them producing Testosterone naturally after your cycle is through. Also, many people lose their libido during a cycle for this reason, especially the highly feared Deca-Dick, if that was your choice of roids. This effectively cuts down your PCT, which is very important since during PCT is when we're in a catabolic state losing mucle as we try to get our endogenous testosterone back up running normally. So running 250IUs twice a week through your whole cycle will prevent your nuts from shutting down. Any more than 1000IUs a week would probably start desensitizing the leydig cells.

Where do you guys get this BS from?!
Shut down=No Testosterone production. The only way you keep Testosterone production is by staying on HCG ALL ALONG the cycle which is extremely stupid.

Once your Testicals detects higher Androgen levels it will shut down, so HCG won't do anything to help you.

The only use for HCG 'during' a cycle is to GET OFF completely, go on HCG for 3 weeks then back on cycle which is called 'BRIDGING' and that is an old school tecknique and no longer used, cause its useless.

HCG must be used after cutting off the cycle for REAL benefits.
Oh by the way, I don't a single REAL body builder who uses HCG at 500 IU.
common dose is 1500 IU up to 2500 IU every 4th day.

[dannydxd]

Where do you guys get this BS from?!
Shut down=No Testosterone production. The only way you keep Testosterone production is by staying on HCG ALL ALONG the cycle which is extremely stupid.

Once your Testicals detects higher Androgen levels it will shut down, so HCG won't do anything to help you.

The only use for HCG 'during' a cycle is to GET OFF completely, go on HCG for 3 weeks then back on cycle which is called 'BRIDGING' and that is an old school tecknique and no longer used, cause its useless.

HCG must be used after cutting off the cycle for REAL benefits.
Oh by the way, I don't a single REAL body builder who uses HCG at 500 IU.
common dose is 1500 IU up to 2500 IU every 4th day.

There's tons of information out there regarding hcg use during a cycle. Many of them by folks like Anthony Roberts who has written countless books/articles on steroids, including different types of PCT protocols. Dude, do some research.

As for the amount of hcg i stated, yes it's low. It's because it's just enough to keep your nuts from shuttin down during a cycle. That's it's primary purpose during a cycle, so very little is used. If you choose to do it near the end of the cycle, yes, you need larger doses, because at that point, the purpose is to get them back up to normal size since they've atrophied (assuming cycles 12+ weeks). So ofcourse it makes sense to use larger doses, duh.

Doses any higher than 1000IUs per week during a cycle might desensitize the leydig cells.

Keeping your nuts they're regular size or close to will certainly reduce PCT, don't you think? I've also read a few articles on on folks that have used hcg during a cycle of Test/Deca; the most feared "Deca Dick", and they didn't have any problems at all down there; no loss of libido at all.

You may continue to call it BS. That's fine. If you're happy with doing things the way you're doing them now, hey, if that works for you, then great, but don't down play new protocols that gain popularity, because you wanna keep it "old school".

In all honesty, i'm simply relaying tons of research i've done on my own from countless resources regarding hcg and it's usages during or after a cycle. I haven't actually done it myself during a cycle, but i'm certainly going to on my next cycle.