"Pastor who McCain praised said America's historic mission was to 'destroy' Islam"

[zartan]

Wow, where to start ad-man?

"lets face it, both Obama and McCain chose these guys out of political expediency." - This is simply a horrible analogy. Obama chose wright longggg before he was involved in politics. Obama chose to have a personal relationship with his pastor and likened him to a family member. "Uncle" was the therm Obama used, not the media. McCain is historically an enemy and critic of the religious right and only saddled up to religious types for THIS election. Slight difference there...what do I know though, I can barely see past my garlic nose. How are those watermelon lips, by the way? (oh noes....that was racist!)

I find it utterly amazing that while you remain fixated on how evil and racist white people are you continually ignore, apologize for, and accept black racism. It takes two to tango my friend, it takes two...

This is a man who is ½ white and who still enjoys a close relationship to the white side of his family - Except Barack enjoys pulling in 90% of the black vote (which I'm sure is just on the issues, naturally), identifies himself as a black man, goes to a militant black preacher and marries a typical america hating black woman who's had every opportunity possible in this country. Yes, America is so mean you got to go to the best schools in the world and your husband is making a serious run for president. Horrible country this is. Additionally, Barack is so close to his white side that he has no problem calling his white grandmother "typical" in that she is racist and bigoted. What love he has. Where's his black daddy again? Maybe I'll ask Bill Cosby...

Notice the polling that indicate that the whites who support Obama have no issue with his "affiliation" with Wright. - Whites who support Obama are either full of white guilt, too scared of the PC police not to vote for a black guy, Socialists/Marxists or dummies of the MSM. On the issues alone Obama is a horrible candidate and if he was white you wouldn't even know his name.

Again, throughout your entire post you downplay the relationship between BO and his pastor. Go read Obama's own words about Wright. Go read The Audacity of Hope and see what that sermon was about (white people controlling the world). Go research how Obama always made sure Wright was around and consulted him before any major career decisions. Did you consult your preacher when you decided to stop playing football and go into marketing? Your refusal to even see the truth makes your arguments laughable and I don't find it shocking that the two biggest Obama supporters here are....black guys. Shocking, I know...but I'm sure it is all about the issues and nothing else.

I can't wait to hear your excuse for Obama's relationship with the unapologetic domestic terrorist. That should be fun.

Well said, I am losing energy trying to explain things to these guys, its like talking to a wall.

[zartan]

Your playing with words here when you describe Wright and his church as 'racist', this is someone who is accused of going to far when criticizing America's past policies, misrepresenting what America stands for, and demagoging for example:

1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

Wright describes Itallians as Garlic Noses, constantly rails against 'white america', saying HIV was introduced into the ghetto on purpose, thinks black and white people 'learn differently because black people are right brained and white people are left brained', and gave an award to lewis farrakhan!

What he is preaching is hatred and intolerance of other races and in an institutionalized setting. It might be demagoging but its also racism, plain and simple.

[Carlos_E]

1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

Wright describes Itallians as Garlic Noses, constantly rails against 'white america', saying HIV was introduced into the ghetto on purpose, thinks black and white people 'learn differently because black people are right brained and white people are left brained', and gave an award to lewis farrakhan!

What he is preaching is hatred and intolerance of other races and in an institutionalized setting. It might be demagoging but its also racism, plain and simple.

No one cares besides you and a handful of people. People who would not vote for Obama anyway. McCain's association with Bush is a bigger issue.

[zartan]

No one cares besides you and a handful of people. People who would not vote for Obama anyway. McCain's association with Bush is a bigger issue.

A) I may vote for Obama, the Wright issue definitely throws me off.

B) 33% is a huge amount of people who care. Why do you think hes been struggling against HIllary?

[Carlos_E]

The OBAMA contribution game!

The rules: Every time you see certain words used by a Clinton or McCain supporter, you make a contribution to Obama's campaign.

Here's the chart. Participate if you can.

WORD CONTRIBUTION
muslim 5 cents
racist 5 cents
Wright 10 cents
Ayers 10 cents
liberal 5 cents
socialist 5 cents
disenfranchise/revote 5 cents
hamas 10 cents
unelectable 10 cents
weather underground 5 cents
black church 5 cents
Kool aid/cult 5 cents
Elitist 5 cents
Bitter 5 cents
Hussein 5 cents
Messiah 5 cents


Contribute at the end of each month.

[Carlos_E]

Why do you think hes been struggling against HIllary?

Struggling? Last time I checked he's winning.

While overall discomfort with an African-American president is much lower, it rises among less-educated whites. Among whites who haven't gone through college, 17 percent say they'd be at least somewhat uncomfortable with a black president; that compares with just 4 percent of white college graduates.

He's not winnning over uneducated White people who said when polled they don't want a woman or a Black man for president. They would feel the same even if Rev. Wrights videos never came out.

May I ask, did you go to college?

[zartan]

Struggling?

Yes its been an extremely close race, have you not been watching?

Last time I checked he's winning.

He's not winnning over uneducated White people who said when polled they don't want a woman or a Black man for president. They would feel the same even if Rev. Wrights videos never came out. May I ask, did you go to college?

I'm not sure what difference it makes if I went to college, there are plenty of million dollar educated jackass's, take Michelle Obama for example. But if it somehow will help you to set your stereotypes aside, yes I did go to college. White America is clearly ready for a black or female president, I think the question is if Black America is ready.

[Carlos_E]

Yes its been an extremely close race, have you not been watching?

It's not a close race and hasn't been since Obama won 13 states in a row after Super Tuesday. The media as said it was a close race for ratings. To keep people watching! She lost Super Tuesday.

Clinton is losing in the number of states won, pledge delegates, super delegates and the popular vote. She's losing by every metric. She has no way of over taking Obama's unless she wins 75% in all the remaining primaries. Which is impossible.

Obama on the other hand will have the number of delegates wrapped up by Oregon on May 20th. He needs 146 more. Clinton needs 325.

So again, how is this a close race?

[zartan]

It's not a close race and hasn't been since Obama won 13 states in a row after Super Tuesday. The media as said it was a close race for ratings. To keep people watching! She lost Super Tuesday.

Clinton is losing in the number of states won, pledge delegates, super delegates and the popular vote. She's losing by every metric. She has no way of over taking Obama's unless she wins 75% in all the remaining primaries. Which is impossible.

Obama on the other hand will have the number of delegates wrapped up by Oregon on May 20th. He needs 146 more. Clinton needs 325.

So again, how is this a close race?

lol yer funny dude, I'm not sure what kind of semantics you're arguing, its been a VERY CLOSE race:

Hussein Obama 16,003,521 49.5%
Hitlery: 15,266,942 47.3%

(W/O Florida and Michigan)

[Act of God]

lol yer funny dude, I'm not sure what kind of semantics you're arguing, its been a VERY CLOSE race:

Hussein Obama 16,003,521 49.5%
Hitlery: 15,266,942 47.3%

(W/O Florida and Michigan)

That looks pretty close to me. Granted, Obama won more states/delegates but many of the states have been very close battles and Hilary (I believe) won most of the larger states.

This would be like if the Yankees won the World series in 6 games, but each win was 6-5. Yes, the Yankees won but they didn't kick their butts all over the place. Especially since in the two losses they were outscored 17-3.

It also doesn't help that Obama has been pushed by the media like commercials push a product, which obviously affects voters. Even with that HUGE bias against her (look what it did to Ron Paul) Hilary carried the big states and made most other states a very close race.'

I love how "every vote counts!" was a democratic mantra until now, when they have no problem not counting two of the biggest state's votes (which, ironically, support Hitlery) merely because they voted prematurely. Way to rule substantively! Maybe you can disqualify West Virginia because the state is too white next time too...

[Carlos_E]

lol yer funny dude, I'm not sure what kind of semantics you're arguing, its been a VERY CLOSE race:

Hussein Obama 16,003,521 49.5%
Hitlery: 15,266,942 47.3%

(W/O Florida and Michigan)

The Democratic primaries rules are based on the number of delegates. NOT the popular vote. She has no way of overtaking him in the number of delegates. Also your vote count doesn't include caucus states. Obama's number is higher with them included. Clinton underestimated the importance of caucus states and got creamed.

[Carlos_E]

That looks pretty close to me. Granted, Obama won more states/delegates but many of the states have been very close battles and Hilary (I believe) won most of the larger states.

You're doing Clinton math. Clinton's campaign manager Mark Penn went after the big states because he didn't know the Democratic primaries are proportional delegates, not winner take all like the Republican primaries. Clinton only focused on the big states. Winning only big states will not give you the majority of delegates. Obama had a 50 state plan. Clinton didn't. Obama focused on winning state counties with the largest number of delegates. Obama won both, small and big states and look where he is. The winner.

I love how "every vote counts!" was a democratic mantra until now, when they have no problem not counting two of the biggest state's votes (which, ironically, support Hitlery) merely because they voted prematurely. Way to rule substantively! Maybe you can disqualify West Virginia because the state is too white next time too...

Michigan and Florida broke the DNC rules by moving up their primaries. They knew the consequences and did it anyway. Clinton signed off and agreed that the state delegates would not be seated according to the DNC rules. She changed her tune when she realized she was losing and needed the delegates. Now she's for Michigan and Florida counting. How can you count Michigan when Obama's name wasn't even on the ballot? At this point even if they count Michigan she still is behind in delegates and the popular vote.

[zartan]

You're doing Clinton math. Clinton's campaign manager Mark Penn went after the big states because he didn't know the Democratic primaries are proportional delegates, not winner take all like the Republican primaries. Clinton only focused on the big states. Winning only big states will not give you the majority of delegates. Obama had a 50 state plan. Clinton didn't. Obama focused on winning state counties with the largest number of delegates. Obama won both, small and big states and look where he is. The winner.

Michigan and Florida broke the DNC rules by moving up their primaries. They knew the consequences and did it anyway. Clinton signed off and agreed that the state delegates would not be seated according to the DNC rules. She changed her tune when she realized she was losing and needed the delegates. Now she's for Michigan and Florida counting. How can you count Michigan when Obama's name wasn't even on the ballot? At this point even if they count Michigan she still is behind in delegates and the popular vote.

Clinton math? hahaha. You're living in lala land, seriously. The more you talk the less I want to side with Obama, in the end I will do what I think is right, but I don't want to listen to 4 years of black people being impartial defending a candidate just because they're black. Get over yourself already and stop calling white people racist when you assume I'm an 'uneducated white boy' and say I won't vote for Obama simply because he's black. Sounds like you have some serious issues you need to work out concerning race.

Not a close race? Obama is winning the popular vote by 2%. I don't give a damn about delegates, if anything the system is fvcked when the delegates count more than the vote of the people.

[Carlos_E]

Not a close race? Obama is winning the popular vote by 2%. I don't give a damn about delegates, if anything the system is fvcked when the delegates count more than the vote of the people.

La la land? Sorry, I'm dealing in reality. The DNC rules are based on delegate count. Delegates represent the number of people in a county. The popular vote does not win a primary. I'm stating FACTS! Those are the DNC rules. If you want to argue the popular vote, Obama is winning the popular vote even without counting the caucus states added.

Clinton ran a horrible campaign and look where she is now. If she is such a great candidate and has huge support, why is her campaign in debt $20 million and she had to loan her campaign $11 million? Where is the money from her supporters? Obama on the other hand is raking in $40-$50 million a month.

Dude, I could careless if you vote for Obama or not. I find it humorous that you're grasping at numbers when the numbers clearly show who's winning.

Now you don't like the DNC rules??? Instead of sitting behind a computer maybe you should become politically active in our party and you can help change the rules. Other than that it's pure lip service.

[zartan]

Obama is winning the popular vote even without counting the caucus states added.

Yes hes winning the popular vote by a SLIM MARGIN, that was my whole point. In fact a lot of people wonder what his chances in the election when hes having such STRUGGLES against Hillary.

Clinton ran a horrible campaign and look where she is now. If she is such a great candidate and has huge support, why is her campaign in debt $20 million and she had to loan her campaign $11 million? Where is the money from her supporters? Obama on the other hand is raking in $40-$50 million a month.

So we're defining success by monetary support rather than votes? If anything its a testament to Hillary she is able to keep the election so close when Obama has superior campaign funding.

Dude, I could careless if you vote for Obama or not. I find it humorous that you're grasping at numbers when the numbers clearly show who's winning.

Grasping at numbers? Yes thats what logical people do, they look at the numbers and base judgement from that, rather than the color of their candidates skin > all else.

If you're such an Obama supporter, perhaps you should care a bit more rather than dismissing anyone who doesn't jump on your bandwagon as an 'unedu-macated whoite boi'.

[BgMc31]

I find it quite comical that Zartan is trying to play the race card. I don't think anyone implied anyone was a 'stupid white boi' (or whatever stereotyical language you tried to use).

Remember who continuously brings up the race issue...its not blacks!

Here is more evidence that whites are more interested in race than issues:

http://wireless.go.com/wireless/abcn...ries/4844868_1

[eliteforce]

Lemme put it this way; traditionally white people are the majority here and black people were brought here as slaves, and there is a history of injustice against them..and they are the more vulnerable part of the population in case of mass insurection (ie: militias taking over various parts of the country) , and they have less economic power .. so no-one really cares if some of the poorer ones or more 'acedemic' ones vent in this fashon, i don't. It's much more threatning when it's coming from a KuKluxKlan type, black fear that it could become more mainstream. and i still don't see where wright say blacks are 'better' than whites, preaches segregation, encourages blacks to hate white people etc., his comments all seem directed at the system and general attitudes.

and again with those 3rd party attributes to Wright..you have to see a tape or if it was written by him there needs to be a reference:

garlic noses-so whats the big deal, maybe it was a goof, so he made a political correctness mistake, he's just some stupid preacher, before this no-one even knew who he was.

learning differently-hello, need more and what context, and who the fk cares what side your brain you think out of..and he was probably joking again

lewis farakhan-an award for what? and now your going from vilinizing BO because he is associated with wright, you then hit an issue wall and are unable to really explain why this wright guy is really so bad, so now your jetting off to lewis farakhan..

1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

Wright describes Itallians as Garlic Noses, constantly rails against 'white america', saying HIV was introduced into the ghetto on purpose, thinks black and white people 'learn differently because black people are right brained and white people are left brained', and gave an award to lewis farrakhan!

What he is preaching is hatred and intolerance of other races and in an institutionalized setting. It might be demagoging but its also racism, plain and simple.

[BgMc31]

Since McCain is getting 99% of the white republican vote, and no one is saying that whites are only voting for McCain because he's white.

Its funny how people are trying to paint Obama as a racists. Excluding his white mother, the man was raised in areas (Hawaii, Kansas) with limited black communities, not to mention he attended an overwhelming white college. But many whites (including the media), aren't willing to hear those sentiments. They will find any excuse no to vote for the man and that's the obvious...skin color!

I'm not gonna defend Rev. Wright because obviously whites and blacks look at the guy through different lenses. We will never see eye to eye on the issue. But if the ramblings of an angry civil rights era, former marine, preacher are the best people can come up with to not vote for the man, then he is obviously the best choice, IMO.

Frankly speaking, am I voting for Obama because he's black? No! But am I proud that a black man has a REAL chance at the most powerful position in the world...HELL YES!!!!

Question: How many Catholics supported Kennedy? How many Italians supported Guiliani? Did anyone notice the support Bill Richardson got from hispanics? Politics is like boxing...ethnicity and race does matter, its the willingness to admit it that matters most.

[Carlos_E]

Yes hes winning the popular vote by a SLIM MARGIN, that was my whole point. In fact a lot of people wonder what his chances in the election when hes having such STRUGGLES against Hillary.



So we're defining success by monetary support rather than votes? If anything its a testament to Hillary she is able to keep the election so close when Obama has superior campaign funding.



Grasping at numbers? Yes thats what logical people do, they look at the numbers and base judgement from that, rather than the color of their candidates skin > all else.

If you're such an Obama supporter, perhaps you should care a bit more rather than dismissing anyone who doesn't jump on your bandwagon as an 'unedu-macated whoite boi'.

I'm not just an Obama supporter. I support the DNC. I have contributed to several democratic campaigns. I'm not just sitting here giving lip service. I'm involved. And for your information. The campaigns I contributed to, the people running were White. So stop trying to play the race card.

'unedu-macated whoite boi'.

With a post like this? Yes, I would have to agree. I don't have to make the case. You made it for me.

[zartan]

He's not winnning over uneducated White people who said when polled they don't want a woman or a Black man for president. They would feel the same even if Rev. Wrights videos never came out.

May I ask, did you go to college?

so only 'unedu-macated whoite boiths' disagree with you guys, ands thats just because we don't want a black president, period.

[zartan]

in case of mass insurection (ie: militias taking over various parts of the country)

HAHAHA enough said.

[zartan]

'm not gonna defend Rev. Wright because obviously whites and blacks look at the guy through different lenses. We will never see eye to eye on the issue. But if the ramblings of an angry civil rights era, former marine, preacher are the best people can come up with to not vote for the man, then he is obviously the best choice, IMO.

See this is what gets me, people STILL defending Jeremy Wright and down playing Obama's relationship to him, after all the shit thats come out about him. Obama was on the cover of Wright's racist publication, the trumpet 3 TIMES. Even OBAMA has sworn him off at this point, and that was Obama's mentor. Yet YOU are still acting like 'well maybe he's just misunderstood'. I think your lenses must be rose tinted if you still think the guy isn't a racist.

[zartan]

JEREMY WRIGHTS'S GREATEST HITS....

"The Italians for the most part looked down their garlic noses at the Galileans."

"He refused to be defined by others and Dr. Asa Hilliard also refused to be defined by others. The government runs everything from the White House to the schoolhouse, from the Capitol to the Klan, white supremacy is clearly in charge, but Asa, like Jesus, refused to be defined by an oppressive government because Asa got his identity from an Omnipotent God."

"Louis Farrakhan was the recipient of the Lifetime Achievement "Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. Trumpeter" award at the magazine's 25th anniversary gala late last year. Farrakhan has called Judaism a "gutter religion" and said Jews are "bloodsuckers," as reported in The New York Times."

“We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye.”

“We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America’s chickens are coming home to roost.” (Sep 2001)

“The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing ‘God Bless America.’ No, no, no, God damn America, that’s in the Bible for killing innocent people. God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme.” (2003)

“In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01. White America and the western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just ‘disappeared’ as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns.” (magazine article)

“Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run!…We [in the U.S.] believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God.” (sermon)

“Barack knows what it means living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people. Hillary would never know that. Hillary ain’t never been called a ******. Hillary has never had a people defined as a non-person.”

“Hillary is married to Bill, and Bill has been good to us. No he ain’t! Bill did us, just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty.” (sermon)

“The Israelis have illegally occupied Palestinian territories for over 40 years now. Divestment has now hit the table again as a strategy to wake the business community and wake up Americans concerning the injustice and the racism under which the Palestinians have lived because of Zionism.”



Does anyone see a theme? white white white white white, hate hate hate hate hate

[zartan]

I'm not just an Obama supporter.

First you say it hasn't been a close race, now this.
more semantics, I'm beginning to expect this from you.

[kfrost06]

I find it quite comical that Zartan is trying to play the race card. I don't think anyone implied anyone was a 'stupid white boi' (or whatever stereotyical language you tried to use).

Remember who continuously brings up the race issue...its not blacks!

Here is more evidence that whites are more interested in race than issues:

http://wireless.go.com/wireless/abcn...ries/4844868_1

unfortuantely, Carlos is playing the race card to and referred to people that didn't vote for Obama as "dump white people". It really sucks to see racial division going on in this election.

[kfrost06]

here's the exact quote..."It looks like dumb White people don't want a Black president."

[Carlos_E]

here's the exact quote..."It looks like dumb White people don't want a Black president."

If you're going to quote me, quote all of it. You forgot the rest.

While overall discomfort with an African-American president is much lower, it rises among less-educated whites. Among whites who haven't gone through college, 17 percent say they'd be at least somewhat uncomfortable with a black president; that compares with just 4 percent of white college graduates.

It looks like dumb White people don't want a Black president.