Gyno Question

[Mammon]

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[Mammon]

I'll give you guys some advice okay.


Gyno reversal for the most part is a absolutly fake term made up by reserch chem makes to sell letro.

There are documented cases that pubertal gyno has been treated with 60mgs of Nova daily.

If you want to try it, don't fall prey to the chemical companies. Use Nova and Letro for a month, see if it helps. If it does, continue, if not, surgry is the only answer.

i agree

[Immortal Soldier]

if its not true then How did I get rid of my gyno after having it for so long? Im not arguing that the term may be made up for someone elses gain but letro and nolva definately worked for me. I know and have heard of others in my situation as well.

Because if you understand the human body you will realize why it is improbable.

Once you have breast tissue, your body will not metabolize it, it just won't. Now sure there maybe a few% of people who actually tried your letro and nolva treatment were able to "remove" the gyno. But it is still there, trust me.

IMO you might not have had gyno and it could have just been fat. I mean letro and nolva will make the gyno shrink in size because they take away the estrogen it needs to "feed off" of and cause the mammary gland to shrivel up. IMO the lump can't just disappear, unless surgery is used.

Puberty gyno and gyno caused by AAS are not exactly the same, because puberty gyno can go away once it has formed during puberty as hormonal level stablize, but AAS gyno once formed it would be VERY hard to get rid off.

[legobricks]

I'll give you guys some advice okay.


Gyno reversal for the most part is a absolutly fake term made up by reserch chem makes to sell letro.

There are documented cases that pubertal gyno has been treated with 60mgs of Nova daily.

If you want to try it, don't fall prey to the chemical companies. Use Nova and Letro for a month, see if it helps. If it does, continue, if not, surgry is the only answer.

Gyno reversal as in completely getting rid of the gyno then yes it is not probable.

Shrinking the gyno to almost nothing, def. possibly and i can tell you from first hand experience that it does work for THAT purpose only.

if its not true then How did I get rid of my gyno after having it for so long? Im not arguing that the term may be made up for someone elses gain but letro and nolva definately worked for me. I know and have heard of others in my situation as well.

You still have the gyno, just not noticable. I once thought that as well but not until 2 years later did it flair up like a b*tch! It is controllable tho.

Because if you understand the human body you will realize why it is improbable.

Once you have breast tissue, your body will not metabolize it, it just won't. Now sure there maybe a few% of people who actually tried your letro and nolva treatment were able to "remove" the gyno. But it is still there, trust me.

IMO you might not have had gyno and it could have just been fat. I mean letro and nolva will make the gyno shrink in size because they take away the estrogen it needs to "feed off" of and cause the mammary gland to shrivel up. IMO the lump can't just disappear, unless surgery is used.

Puberty gyno and gyno caused by AAS are not exactly the same, because puberty gyno can go away once it has formed during puberty as hormonal level stablize, but AAS gyno once formed it would be VERY hard to get rid off.

Yes i agree with the above bolded comment. I once thought that it was completely gone and became careless and BAM shit flarred up once again, only this time worse. I have however reduced the size of the gyno in EACH nipple from a marble down to pretty much nothing....and what i mean is i pushed, felt around, streched, abused the shit outta my nipple and no lump. BUT if proper pre-cautionary measure ARE NOT taken for future cycles then yes it will flare up again.

[mx3]

Because if you understand the human body you will realize why it is improbable.

Once you have breast tissue, your body will not metabolize it, it just won't. Now sure there maybe a few% of people who actually tried your letro and nolva treatment were able to "remove" the gyno. But it is still there, trust me.

IMO you might not have had gyno and it could have just been fat. I mean letro and nolva will make the gyno shrink in size because they take away the estrogen it needs to "feed off" of and cause the mammary gland to shrivel up. IMO the lump can't just disappear, unless surgery is used.

Puberty gyno and gyno caused by AAS are not exactly the same, because puberty gyno can go away once it has formed during puberty as hormonal level stablize, but AAS gyno once formed it would be VERY hard to get rid off.

I know what gyno is and what the symptoms are, I definately had it. very painful, itchy lump under the nipple. but I guess I can agree with you and lego that it might still be there but it is not noticable at all and there is no lump or pain under the nipple anymore.

[RendellUnit]

I have done a few cycles and there were a few I did when I did not no anything at all about steroids, I was the skinny guy at the gym who just did what the bigger guys said would get me big, however, they werent that smart neither.

I ran 2 cycles between 1200 and 1500mgs of test per week, not taking no anti estrogens, didnt think I needed it, again, didnt no what I was doing, look at the high test dose I was running for like my second cycle.

Now I never had sore nipples, or noticed any lumps, or they werent ichy. But I went from 130 and to date im up to 193, this is over the course of 3 years.

My nipples are puffy, not the slightest lump, my chest is rock hard, but my nipples are puffy, when they are cold my chest looks like I want it to.

Now I first took notice over a year ago, I went and seen my doctor and he said it is probably just fat deposits, but Im starting to think its gyno.

Before I consult with my doctor again and seek possible surgery, what should I try, Nolva and Letro? Is that my last resort?

These puffy nipps godda go, nothing worse then walking around the gym with a wife beater on lookin lean and mean, but then if you look at the pecs, you see the puffy nipples lol

[mx3]

I have done a few cycles and there were a few I did when I did not no anything at all about steroids, I was the skinny guy at the gym who just did what the bigger guys said would get me big, however, they werent that smart neither.

I ran 2 cycles between 1200 and 1500mgs of test per week, not taking no anti estrogens, didnt think I needed it, again, didnt no what I was doing, look at the high test dose I was running for like my second cycle.

Now I never had sore nipples, or noticed any lumps, or they werent ichy. But I went from 130 and to date im up to 193, this is over the course of 3 years.

My nipples are puffy, not the slightest lump, my chest is rock hard, but my nipples are puffy, when they are cold my chest looks like I want it to.

Now I first took notice over a year ago, I went and seen my doctor and he said it is probably just fat deposits, but Im starting to think its gyno.

Before I consult with my doctor again and seek possible surgery, what should I try, Nolva and Letro? Is that my last resort?

These puffy nipps godda go, nothing worse then walking around the gym with a wife beater on lookin lean and mean, but then if you look at the pecs, you see the puffy nipples lol

if there is no lump then its probably just fat. gyno symptoms are pretty clear cut if you have it you will know.

[wakeskate22]

Because if you understand the human body you will realize why it is improbable.

Once you have breast tissue, your body will not metabolize it, it just won't. Now sure there maybe a few% of people who actually tried your letro and nolva treatment were able to "remove" the gyno. But it is still there, trust me.

IMO you might not have had gyno and it could have just been fat. I mean letro and nolva will make the gyno shrink in size because they take away the estrogen it needs to "feed off" of and cause the mammary gland to shrivel up. IMO the lump can't just disappear, unless surgery is used.

Puberty gyno and gyno caused by AAS are not exactly the same, because puberty gyno can go away once it has formed during puberty as hormonal level stablize, but AAS gyno once formed it would be VERY hard to get rid off.

so ive never done a cycle of aas.. only have done some mild ph's. i didn't know what pct's were and so just continued with life. i got the painful lump underneath the nipple but still did nothing about it.. thought it would just go away. once i found and read c bino's thread, i ran his reversal and the pain went away but the tissue had formed. if i keep running reversal's over and over.. your saying it can shrink down still?

[wakeskate22]

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[SuperLift]

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[FreakofNature23]

so is pubertal gyno easier to shring down then gyno derived from aas?

[SuperLift]

According to this thread yes

[Philly Grappler]

Correct, doctors always keep a little bit of the breast tissue behind the nipple to prevent it from caving inward.



Reduced bodyfat doesn't matter, have you ever seen a bodybuilder who has gyno during competition? His bf% is VERY LOW yet the gyno sticks out like a sore thumb.

The body WILL NOT metabolize the fat tissue, it just won't. Just like in women, if a women get's her bf% down really low she will still have breast tissue, the body basically thought you were a woman at one time and developed breast tissue for lactation and even after it learned it was wrong it won't metabolize the breast tissue. If caught to late, surgery is the only option




There is really no such thing as gyno reversal, once you have gyno you can rarely get rid of it (through medication). Now if you have the beginning symptoms of gyno (painful nipples, swollen nipples, a very small lump) and you run AI's and Nolva ASAP then yes you can prevent it from developing.

So there is a difference between HAVING gyno and HAVING beginning symptoms of gyno.

Gyno usually happens in one side of the breast, it rarely happens in both at the same time so thats why you can feel it one and not the other.



Most insurance companies don't cover gyno surgery because it is a cosmetic issue that bares no impact on the health in a negative way.

You say to run an AI and Nolva? The reason I ask is I have the same problem. I have actually had gyno removal in the past. I started Test Cyp and Arimdex and run arimidex through the whole cycle and a lump is now under my right nipple. I'm so pissed cause gyno surgery was no joke. I only have a sensitive lump underneath now, it has not protruded too much yet. Am still running the test and Arimidex right now.

[Immortal Soldier]

You say to run an AI and Nolva? The reason I ask is I have the same problem. I have actually had gyno removal in the past. I started Test Cyp and Arimdex and run arimidex through the whole cycle and a lump is now under my right nipple. I'm so pissed cause gyno surgery was no joke. I only have a sensitive lump underneath now, it has not protruded too much yet. Am still running the test and Arimidex right now.

What was your arimidex dosage? When you felt the beginning symptoms you should have taken nolva at 40mgs and bumped it up until it was gone.

Also just because you have gyno surgery it can absolutely come back so you should have taken more precautions to prevent that than the average gear user.

[Philly Grappler]

What was your arimidex dosage? When you felt the beginning symptoms you should have taken nolva at 40mgs and bumped it up until it was gone.

Also just because you have gyno surgery it can absolutely come back so you should have taken more precautions to prevent that than the average gear user.

I was taking 1 mg of Arimidex eod. Should I have taken the Nolva in addition or instead of?

[Immortal Soldier]

I was taking 1 mg of Arimidex eod. Should I have taken the Nolva in addition or instead of?

Both, because arimidex limits the conversion estrogen while Nolva prevents any estrogen that is remaining from binding to breast tissue to form gyno.

[Philly Grappler]

Both, because arimidex limits the conversion estrogen while Nolva prevents any estrogen that is remaining from binding to breast tissue to form gyno.

Do you think it's too late? Right now its just a lump under the nipple.

[Immortal Soldier]

Do you think it's too late? Right now its just a lump under the nipple.

Idk tough to say, I recommend getting Letro ASAP.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=236880

[crazyivan]

is it possable to have gyno while bulking and not realize it? over the past year i have lost approx 25 lb, bassically becouse of work, bought a house ect.ect. any ways ive notticed i have gyno on my right side, havent been "on" in a year an a half mybe longer. im thinkin it might have been there since my last cycle or soon after but because i had some bloat and alot of extra weight it wasnt noticable, now im preety thin compared to where i was but shredded and i got this lump and it sore to the touch.
i am thinking of another cycle in a few months but id like to get this gyno under control first.

[Immortal Soldier]

is it possable to have gyno while bulking and not realize it? over the past year i have lost approx 25 lb, bassically becouse of work, bought a house ect.ect. any ways ive notticed i have gyno on my right side, havent been "on" in a year an a half mybe longer. im thinkin it might have been there since my last cycle or soon after but because i had some bloat and alot of extra weight it wasnt noticable, now im preety thin compared to where i was but shredded and i got this lump and it sore to the touch.
i am thinking of another cycle in a few months but id like to get this gyno under control first.

Take precautions before you cycle, run arimdex throughout and have letro and nolva on hand at all times.

You can try to do letro and nolva and see if it affects your lump before your cycle, but I doubt it if its been around that long.

[wakeskate22]

so ive never done a cycle of aas.. only have done some mild ph's. i didn't know what pct's were and so just continued with life. i got the painful lump underneath the nipple but still did nothing about it.. thought it would just go away. once i found and read c bino's thread, i ran his reversal and the pain went away but the tissue had formed. if i keep running reversal's over and over.. your saying it can shrink down still?

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[Full Intensity]

http://gynecomastia-md.com/subpages/videos.html

this should help, they do not remove all of it or the nipple will die to answer your question. 99% of the time it does not return. Apparently he did Greg Kovacs lol