Government to promote healthier citizens? Express your views

[thegodfather]

Yes for acute injuries health care is ok. But that is not even a quarter of the cost of health care...probably a tenth or less. I HOPE the health care system falls and crumbles because is a giant scam and kills more people than it helps.

Do you know what the NUMBER ONE leading cause of death in North America is?

Prescription drugs and iatrogenic deaths. FACT.

Even in a study done by the United States Department for Technological Assessment they found that only 10-20% of ALL medical procedures have scientific proof to their effectiveness...the rest is not substantiated by any proof.

Get to the root of the problem and stop treating symptoms.

Number of deaths for leading causes of death:

* Heart disease: 631,636
* Cancer: 559,888
* Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 137,119
* Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 124,583
* Accidents (unintentional injuries): 121,599
* Diabetes: 72,449
* Alzheimer's disease: 72,432
* Influenza and Pneumonia: 56,326
* Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 45,344
* Septicemia: 34,234

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/FASTATS/deaths.htm

Drug-induced mortality
In 2006, a total of 38,396 persons died of drug-induced causes in the United States (Tables 21 and 22). This category includes not only deaths from dependent and nondependent use of legal or illegal drugs, but also poisoning from medically prescribed and other drugs. It excludes unintentional injuries, homicides, and other causes indirectly related to drug use, as well as newborn deaths due to the mother’s drug use (for a list of drug-induced causes, see ‘‘Technical Notes’’).

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr57/nvsr57_14.pdf

In what ways can heart disease, cancer, or stroke be described as iatrogenic? Heart disease is most often either lifestyle related or hereditary. Cancer is mostly hereditary and in some cases lifestyle related in the case of smokers. Stroke is also lifestyle related.

631,636 > 38,396 and if I posted the numbers of people who died only from ADR (Adverse Drug Reaction) the number would be much lower. I'm interested to know where these facts came from?

Everyone is quick to jump on the bandwagon of shunning allopathy, but are also very quick to call 911 when they need medical attention and get that attention from the same allopathic physicians they criticize.

To be honest, physicians are most often stuck treating patients symptoms because they refuse to make the necessary lifestyle changes that the physicians recommend to them. What are we left to do when we tell obese people they need to start exercising and eating healthy and they refuse to do it? We do as much as we can and give them a script for Lipitor in the hopes we can keep their cholesterol down low enough to extend their life despite their unhealthy and destructive lifestyle. A great deal of medical procedures would be unnecessary if individuals adhered to the advice of medical professionals and made the necessary lifestyle changes that are recommended.

Physicians can only help that patient while they are in the office or in the hospital, it is up to the patient to help themselves the other 10 million hours that they are at home. I hope that you are true to your word and will refuse treatment by those 80-90% of medical procedures with no scientific backing.

[Hazard]

I did forget to mention that before one gets gastric bypass surgery done the doctors make them go through a rigorous course and really get them to understand that they wont be able to eat as much. Their diet WILL have to change..... These people start their diet before the surgery and often times lose 20+ pounds before having the surgery done. Why can't we just NOT HAVE the surgery and continue with the damn diet!? Don't tell me they'll hit a wall..... look at the biggest loser TV show..... If done right..... they can doit on their own. Unfortunately for our healthcare system...... people don't want to work for it and the docs are making money off it. Not only that..... but when one has the gastric banding done.... if they don't eat right.... that band can break! If that happens.... they need to go back in and insert another one.... further taxing healthcare.....

~Haz~

[MuscleScience]

I did forget to mention that before one gets gastric bypass surgery done the doctors make them go through a rigorous course and really get them to understand that they wont be able to eat as much. Their diet WILL have to change..... These people start their diet before the surgery and often times lose 20+ pounds before having the surgery done. Why can't we just NOT HAVE the surgery and continue with the damn diet!? Don't tell me they'll hit a wall..... look at the biggest loser TV show..... If done right..... they can doit on their own. Unfortunately for our healthcare system...... people don't want to work for it and the docs are making money off it. Not only that..... but when one has the gastric banding done.... if they don't eat right.... that band can break! If that happens.... they need to go back in and insert another one.... further taxing healthcare.....

~Haz~

Most Medical Doctors dont have the educational background to properly advise persons on diet and exercise. There simply isnt enough time in medical school curriculum for exercise science courses in most traditional programs.

There was legislation passed that exercise physiologist would be reimbursed through insurance and medicare/caid for health related services. However there has been very slow implementation of this program and many professionals such as myself choose another field to make a living as opposed to waiting on these types of programs to became more common place.

[Hazard]

Most Medical Doctors dont have the educational background to properly advise persons on diet and exercise. There simply isnt enough time in medical school curriculum for exercise science courses in most traditional programs.

There was legislation passed that exercise physiologist would be reimbursed through insurance and medicare/caid for health related services. However there has been very slow implementation of this program and many professionals such as myself choose another field to make a living as opposed to waiting on these types of programs to became more common place.

Heh..... never knew/heard about that..... very interesting. If you don't mind.... what field are you into?

~Haz~

[MuscleScience]

Heh..... never knew/heard about that..... very interesting. If you don't mind.... what field are you into?

~Haz~

Right now I am a active strength and conditioning coach on my own. I was going into the clinical exercise physiology field but the money isnt there just yet.

[Mooseman33]

i love to smoke a cig while watching the "truth" commercials..

kinda like i enjoy my cheat meal while watching the biggest loser..

something so wrong with me...

[Hazard]

also..... when healthcare gets ripped off.... the insurance we pay for costs more.....

~Haz~

[elpropiotorvic]

As for the questions above they ( insurance comp) make u go through a lot lot of health checks and they have direct xomunication with the doctor that analizes the results of each test ...

I think that a lot of doctors are making too much money and not really caring for reevaluating their knowledge , sure there are some really good ones, but at least in my case they don't go back and study a little more...l

I don't think that taxing is ruling what u can do or not ... I would see it more as a way for people that don't take care of themselves contributing a little more to the country because they will eventually use a little bit more ... Do I pay taxes for cigarrettes of course not... Am I more likely to go to the doctor, than a smoker to find out what's wrong withmy lungs?probably not

I think it will at least take away that excuse o it's so expensive...and at the same time if ur having financial problems... U would probably think of taking junk food out of the menu rather than ur kids resps

like science said freedom is the base of this country...

[zaggahamma]

As for the questions above they ( insurance comp) make u go through a lot lot of health checks and they have direct xomunication with the doctor that analizes the results of each test ...

I think that a lot of doctors are making too much money and not really caring for reevaluating their knowledge , sure there are some really good ones, but at least in my case they don't go back and study a little more...l

I don't think that taxing is ruling what u can do or not ... I would see it more as a way for people that don't take care of themselves contributing a little more to the country because they will eventually use a little bit more ... Do I pay taxes for cigarrettes of course not... Am I more likely to go to the doctor, than a smoker to find out what's wrong withmy lungs?probably not

I think it will at least take away that excuse o it's so expensive...and at the same time if ur having financial problems... U would probably think of taking junk food out of the menu rather than ur kids resps

like science said freedom is the base of this country...

totally agree...even use some of that tax money to lower the costs of healthy food and healthcare

[spywizard]

203 lbs 5'9" 10%bf... i'm obese..

[ni4ni]

ruhl...nice work.
CONGRATS

[Cloe85]

^^^x2

[rockinred]

I am pretty fed up with the government telling me what to do, how to live, what to eat, what to think, how to act.... does not anyone else see what this "new" government is becoming? people have plenty of issues, no argument there...but damn, the last thing I need is some more damn regs in my life. there is no more free land and free will... I wish I could run to and discover a new country just so I can be a free man again.

This country is slowly and literally becoming like that stupid movie Demolition Man.

[Hazard]

This country is slowly and literally becoming like that stupid movie Demolition Man.

who u kiddin..... U loved that movie!


~Haz~

[Older lifter]

People need to get a bit smarter,, not Bl**dy governments telling us what to do and how to be all the time...

Stupid people always looking for some one to tell them what they already really know..... less power to the governments and less stupid people is what we really need

[elpropiotorvic]

Yeah ... I dint want the government to tell me what to do ... But I do want the government to give me an economic stimulus for eating healthy and putting an economic burden on those who don't ( who also end up using healthcare more than I do )


It's not about what the government tells u... It's about having a break...

Can any of u say that ur diets are cheap?

Could any of u see how much cheaper would be to eat crappy foods?

It's about making it more affordable to eat healthier and not affordable to eat unhealthy

[zaggahamma]

Yeah ... I dint want the government to tell me what to do ... But I do want the government to give me an economic stimulus for eating healthy and putting an economic burden on those who don't ( who also end up using healthcare more than I do )


It's not about what the government tells u... It's about having a break...

Can any of u say that ur diets are cheap?

Could any of u see how much cheaper would be to eat crappy foods?

It's about making it more affordable to eat healthier and not affordable to eat unhealthy

x2 and tax the F out of smokers too...I hate that shiat

[RuhlFreak55]

I already explained how flawed your view is.....wtf makes you think you deserve a REWARD for eating healthy??? that's absurd....that choice is your alone and the rewards are endless to your life....to say that someone else should essentially pay you to eat healthy is just taking away more freedom. I have the right to eat whatever the **** i want, and the first step toward taking that right away is the complete bullshit your talking about. Inevitably more would follow

[Older lifter]

Well, i don't drink so tax the F out of that too,,,,and its baddddddd for you,,,, Oh red meat thats bad so tax that more too..... oh and what about chickens ,,,poor things getting killed for us to eat...Hey lets tax that more tooo..........

Leave Gov out of it and just do what you want,,, you will pay for it in the end one way or the other.....