Insulin Cycle (For those interested)

[BJJ]

Well since I am not an assh..e and I were 23 too, I'll express you what I know about insulin without being verbose.

Insulin is a drug exceptional able to save and improve the quality of life of many diabetics, however, if used incorrectly, can be fatal or even worse turn in a "vegetable" the user.
Its side effects in the short term are related to any appearance of hypoglycaemia. By favouring the passage of glucose from the blood to the tissues a too large dose of insulin removes indeed nourishment to the brain, an organ with a very sensitive functionality directly linked to the presence of an appropriate quantity of glucose. Signs of suffering brain showed at levels of glucose less than 60-70 mg/dl, and include: sweating, hunger, perestesie, palpitations, dizziness, blurred vision.
Despite our body possesses some effective biological mechanisms to prevent hypoglycaemia, a sharp reduction of plasma levels of glucose may involve seizures and coma.
Other undesirable effects attributable to improper use of insulin include: rupture of red blood cells (anaemia, haemolytic anaemia), altered cardiac function (in some cases, no way back), fluid retention (oedema) and liver problems. Enough?
If your blood glucose levels drop down is important to have to hand the lumps of sugar and the opportunity to intervene with an intravenous infusion of glucose assisted by glucagon (another hormone product from the pancreas with action contrary to the one of insulin) and I am sure you know what that is, right?

If you know how to eat glucides properly, you may achieve great results being natural; ASSUMING (YOU DID NOT STATE THE OPPOSITE), YOU ARE A HEALTHY PERSON.
If you don't know how to make your organism do what you want, LEARN IT BY STUDYING!

[idrockasupra]

Honestly i wanna see what happens, op has obviously done his research and thats all you can really hope for. Good luck and be safe man.

[gsxracer]

Honestly i wanna see what happens, op has obviously done his research and thats all you can really hope for. Good luck and be safe man.

thanks buddy

[Want_2_Get_BIG]

Honestly i wanna see what happens, op has obviously done his research and thats all you can really hope for. Good luck and be safe man.

Good luck, ok yes. Is this smart and safe, emmm NO!!!

[gsxracer]

thanks bjj, now that was more helpful then someone telling me don't use it because you can die.

did some cardio, took a shake pre-hand rechecked my blood sugar level post-workout after 2hours of last meal, and its back to 5.4 level.


also I think that humalog is actually longuer lasting than 2 hours which was posted on most sites, it stayed in my system for atleast 4-5 hours yesterday. So I will need to check my blood sugar levels at the hour interval from my next post-workout.

for those interested in what I'm taking post-workout after injecting its a 600 calorie weight gainer, then at the hour mark, I eat a protein / complex carb, and I keep checking my blood sugar level, and if it goes down below 4.5 I sink down a powerade or gatorade, just to make sure blood level dosent drop drasticly.

gonna be injecting 6 IU today, and increment it by 1 IU till I reach 10, and if everything goes well I'll be starting injecting 5 IU in the morning before I wake up,

and post-injection in the morning, ill be taking 12 white eggs, with 3 waffels with sirup, then sinking down a weight gainer at the hour mark, and going to do a cardio workout every morning for 30 min.

[Narkissos]

also I think that humalog is actually longuer lasting than 2 hours which was posted on most sites, it stayed in my system for atleast 4-5 hours yesterday. So I will need to check my blood sugar levels at the hour interval from my next post-workout.

Are you shooting IM into the muscle-group worked... or are you shooting subcutaneously?

If you're shooting IM (which you should be doing) are you actually hitting muscle when you shoot? i.e. are you shooting in areas which are lean enough that you can totally avoid shooting into fat?

Dispersion in fat will increase the length of activity.

[gsxracer]

and for those wondering why I'm sinking down weight gainers, is because they're one of the quickest way to get carbs/proteins in you're system even thought they're not very good sources of meals they still allowed you to fit quite alot of calories easier after eating a big meal and having to eat again after 1 hour.

Also doing cardio to keep my blood pressure and everything down / fat levels down also because weight gainers will be storing more fat then It should, but in my oppinion it's probably one of my safest bet for now,

I will probably switch to a carb / protein shake, whenever I'm done my weight gainer( probably 20 scoops left) if everything goes well and see if it will keep the fat off.

[gsxracer]

Also spoke with few people and they told me to cycle 3 weeks on and 8 weeks off, for you're system to catch up again.

[maxtrin]

How does make you insulin shot hungry?

[Someguy123]

How does make you insulin shot hungry?

sounds like you need to read a basic profile on insulin. insulin is what allows your body, to use your blood sugar. so when you shoot insulin, your blood sugar drops, which triggers hunger. its your bodies natural defense against dieing of low blood sugar. if you didnt get hungry, youd never know when to eat, unless you carried a glucose meter with you.

[maxtrin]

sounds like you need to read a basic profile on insulin. insulin is what allows your body, to use your blood sugar. so when you shoot insulin, your blood sugar drops, which triggers hunger. its your bodies natural defense against dieing of low blood sugar. if you didnt get hungry, youd never know when to eat, unless you carried a glucose meter with you.

thank you, yeaa I dont know much about insulin you are right ...

So when you inject high dose of exougenus insulin you must be hungry as elefant am I right? becouse on this depend your life

[Someguy123]

thank you, yeaa I dont know much about insulin you are right ...

So when you inject high dose of exougenus insulin you must be hungry as elefant am I right? becouse on this depend your life

if i eat a full meal after the gym, when i shoot my insulin. i can eat another full meal within 30min-1hour. you just feel completely starving, once your body has used up so much blood sugar.

[gsxracer]

insulin dosen't make you hungry, it's I'm taking humalog, and basicly they're is 2 phases when injecting it,

you're first initial burst when you inject it, it's basicly 15-20 minute after

then at 1 hour mark it's where they call the peak, whenever the insulin is at its full potential, and basicly you need to take enough carbs for you not to go hypo.

at both phases you should be taking atleast 10 grams of carbs per IU that you're injecting, this is the safeline, you can go lower but its not really recommended.

[gsxracer]

No I'm currently shooting in my abdomen, most post i've read didn't tell me to shoot directly in muscle, all of them told me to refrain from doing so because it circulates quicker in you're system,

I'm just squeezing whatever fat I have on the side of my abdomen, and injecting it there, but I could be shooting muscles groups if its better,

[Narkissos]

No I'm currently shooting in my abdomen, most post i've read didn't tell me to shoot directly in muscle, all of them told me to refrain from doing so because it circulates quicker in you're system

That's the point mate.

Don't get confused.

We're talking IM, not intravenous.

Sub-C is suitable for GH, not the PWO application of insulin.

[Someguy123]

That's the point mate.

Don't get confused.

We're talking IM, not intravenous.

Sub-C is suitable for GH, not the PWO application of insulin.

you got a link to some information on this?? im interested.

[NjtheGreat]

hey u guys are pros but i know a bit bout insulin being dependant for 6 years now...and with a high carb diet and always having a glucose tab or oj around..u should be ok...but id give my right nut not to have to deal with insulin...dont know why u would volunteer for playing roulette with ya pancreas. your basically tellin it to take the rest of your lifetime off becuz your gonna manually do its job ....for life . ..... . leave the insulin for the diabetics man

[Someguy123]

if i was ever going to do something stupid, like doing insulin, without AAS. i would stick to just shooting it post workout. thats when youll be able to make the most use of those extra calories, without turning them to fat. as well, i would try and minimize my carbs, and maximize my protein intake. this is where it gets tricky, cause you dont want to go hypo. but if you wanna minimize fat gain, and maximize muscle gain. thats how to do it.

im done with insulin personally. i dont have the patience to watch my diet that close anymore.

[marcus300]

OMFG I give up

[maxtrin]

So you can eat 2000 Kcal in one hour? :O after shooting humalog :-) thats interesting

[elfin1mf]

Well let us know how much you are gaining on how many calories each week please. Using my method I am noticeably gaining fat,l but I am also noticably gaining muscle, so I do not think that I am gaining more fat than usual. I have never gained muscle at a rate which I can see the difference each week, and now it appears to be happening because of my diet change so do not knock it until you try it. On a side note, many creatine supplements recommend 200g sugar with every serving. I believe the spike in insulin contributes to most if not all of the results.

[Kratos]

insulin is a stupid alternative to steroids, unless you really know what you're doing
you'd gain more muscle and less fat by eating china buffet 3x per day

[gsxracer]

I've never been higher then 15% bf, ever in my life but I'm currently sticking 4.2-5.5k calories per day, and using weight gainer post-workout currently, but im also doing alot of cardio/sports.

and for the post of insulin making you hungry? it dosen't really make you hungry if you keep a constant level of sugar in you, but if you drop below 3.0.
it'll feel like you're body is craving for food, stop eating for 2 days and take only proteins drinks, and let me know how you're body feel.

you'll start having dizziness, you're body will be tingling and you'll be feeling somewhat drunk, and you'll start sweating and having a headache, by taking a meal post-work out + a shake, you don't get this, and neither do I wanna get this because at this point it means my system is taking all the glucose in my brain to feed my body which can more then likely eventually cause some unreperable damages to me.

[gsxracer]

kinda funny after eating a meal, 5 min after you're blood sugar level skylevels to 7.4, and this was without and sugar just carbs/protein.

won't be taking a shot today, didn't go training my legs just did a little cardio this morning, not really trying to gain any muscle/weight in legs currently, so will be taking next shot tomorow.

I would also like to know Narkissos, if shooting in my muscle is better and why, because like I posted earlier if I shoot into my muscle it just rushes the process of the insulin, and when I read about insulin, it says that it just direct nutrients in my muscle, and having trained the muscle the muscle by itself / wants or tells the brain to send more nutrients to that muscle without you injecting it.

[PistolStarta]

High levels of insulin cause health problems
High levels of insulin cause several problems: one of them is high blood pressure. One of the roles of insulin is to assist the storing of excess nutrients. Insulin plays a role in storing magnesium. But if your cells become resistant to insulin, you can't store magnesium so you lose it through urination. Intra-cellular magnesium relaxes muscles. What happens when you can't store magnesium because the cell is resistant? You lose magnesium and your blood vessels constrict. This causes an increase in blood pressure.
insulin and blood pressure

Insulin also causes the retention of sodium, which causes fluid retention, which causes high blood pressure and congestive heart failure.

A recent study(1) showed that overweight children with high levels of insulin in their blood are also likely to have high levels of homocysteine, a substance which appears to raise the risk of heart disease, stroke, and birth defects.

Osteoporosis is another potential problem resulting from insulin resistance. Insulin is a master hormone which controls many anabolic hormones such as growth hormone, testosterone, and progesterone. In insulin resistance, the anabolic process is reduced. Bone is built upon the command of such hormones. When these hormones are reduced, the amount of bone building is reduced, and the amount of calcium excreted is increased.

Insulin increases cellular proliferation. How does this affect cancer? It helps it grow. And there are some pretty strong studies(2,3) which show that one of the strongest correlations to breast and colon cancers are levels of insulin.

taken from http://www.healingdaily.com/detoxifi...et/insulin.htm

there's information on resistance as well. Good call on the cancer miracle gro

[maxtrin]

High levels of insulin cause health problems
High levels of insulin cause several problems: one of them is high blood pressure. One of the roles of insulin is to assist the storing of excess nutrients. Insulin plays a role in storing magnesium. But if your cells become resistant to insulin, you can't store magnesium so you lose it through urination. Intra-cellular magnesium relaxes muscles. What happens when you can't store magnesium because the cell is resistant? You lose magnesium and your blood vessels constrict. This causes an increase in blood pressure.
insulin and blood pressure

Insulin also causes the retention of sodium, which causes fluid retention, which causes high blood pressure and congestive heart failure.

A recent study(1) showed that overweight children with high levels of insulin in their blood are also likely to have high levels of homocysteine, a substance which appears to raise the risk of heart disease, stroke, and birth defects.

Osteoporosis is another potential problem resulting from insulin resistance. Insulin is a master hormone which controls many anabolic hormones such as growth hormone, testosterone, and progesterone. In insulin resistance, the anabolic process is reduced. Bone is built upon the command of such hormones. When these hormones are reduced, the amount of bone building is reduced, and the amount of calcium excreted is increased.

Insulin increases cellular proliferation. How does this affect cancer? It helps it grow. And there are some pretty strong studies(2,3) which show that one of the strongest correlations to breast and colon cancers are levels of insulin.

taken from http://www.healingdaily.com/detoxifi...et/insulin.htm

there's information on resistance as well. Good call on the cancer miracle gro

and what about become diabetes? is this possible ? and how long you have to use insulin for this ?

[Narkissos]

and what about become diabetes? is this possible ? and how long you have to use insulin for this ?

Seriously dude?

[Narkissos]

High levels of insulin cause health problems
High levels of insulin cause several problems: one of them is high blood pressure. One of the roles of insulin is to assist the storing of excess nutrients. Insulin plays a role in storing magnesium. But if your cells become resistant to insulin, you can't store magnesium so you lose it through urination. Intra-cellular magnesium relaxes muscles. What happens when you can't store magnesium because the cell is resistant? You lose magnesium and your blood vessels constrict. This causes an increase in blood pressure.
insulin and blood pressure

Insulin also causes the retention of sodium, which causes fluid retention, which causes high blood pressure and congestive heart failure.

A recent study(1) showed that overweight children with high levels of insulin in their blood are also likely to have high levels of homocysteine, a substance which appears to raise the risk of heart disease, stroke, and birth defects.

Osteoporosis is another potential problem resulting from insulin resistance. Insulin is a master hormone which controls many anabolic hormones such as growth hormone, testosterone, and progesterone. In insulin resistance, the anabolic process is reduced. Bone is built upon the command of such hormones. When these hormones are reduced, the amount of bone building is reduced, and the amount of calcium excreted is increased.

Insulin increases cellular proliferation. How does this affect cancer? It helps it grow. And there are some pretty strong studies(2,3) which show that one of the strongest correlations to breast and colon cancers are levels of insulin.

taken from http://www.healingdaily.com/detoxifi...et/insulin.htm

there's information on resistance as well. Good call on the cancer miracle gro

That 'article' is not in any way related to this thread. Posting it here is just silly.

It is discussing chronic elevated insulin. Not the PWO application of insulin.

Comparing the two is like calling apple pie a fruit.

[rodge]

Comparing the two is like calling apple pie a fruit.

apple pie is fruit... you hear me i don't wanna hear otherwise

-rodge

[DR T]

Wow!!!!
With such a touchy subject as insulin use for bodybuilding, one should really have a great understanding of human physiology/endocrinology before even thinking about messing with this, as you will not find any doctor in their right mind overseeing a dangerous cycle such as the op is performing.

MAJOR issues associated with insulin use: whether taking insulin exogenously (more severe complications) vs triggering huge insulin spikes from huge bursts in blood sugar due to diet, one becomes more and more insulin resistant... Meaning the 40 quadrillion cells in the body stop responding to insulin as they should- as if insulin is shouting and the tissues in the body can't hear... The insulin needs to shout louder and louder to get the tissues to listen and the cells become more and more deaf(resistant).
Type II diabetes is exactly that... Your body produces plenty of insulin but the tissues have become desensitized to the hormone. The blood sugar continues to raise, hyperglycemia ensues... And given enough time without proper diet and consistant cardio exercise, the pancreas gets sick of putting out so much insulin, and it shuts down: type I diabetes (in this case, caused by type II).
So now add some insulin into the mix when everything is doing Fine...
You can essentially create a type II diabetic situation...
You say you are 6' and under 200 lbs... If you wanna gain mass, eat, without insulin, workout... As u naturally gain, then look into adding some anabolic steroids...
You have some work to do before going the steroid route, and the insulin gameplan is super dangerous, it doesn't have nearly the track record of steroids nor the 30 plus yrs of knowledge we have now about how to do steroids successfully, with minimal sides, without destroying your natural production...
Be careful man, very dangerous!!!

-DR T

[PistolStarta]

Good post Doc

[diesel405]

Stats
23 Years old
6'0 feet
183 pounds 13.7% bf
Goal - Bulking
blood sugar level 5.6

3 weeks on/off on insulin is the cycle for 15 weeks. at a 10 UU post-workout/ morning.

Haven't had any help on cycling insulin so I might as well do it and help out all the younguer generation, to maybe have a alternative for AAS use.

will be posting updates every day,


Today was my first shot done, at 5 UU post-workout, bit shaky because it was my first time stabbing myself, and it was less worst then pricking my finger to check my blood sugar level.

post-workout I took a 400 calorie weight gainer, 39g protein / 65g of carbs
this will be my every day post-workout drink might up the intake if I feel that I get hypo.

Also have a chocolate bar + a powerade beside me at all times.

I checked my blood sugar level pre-workout and it was 6.1, also after workout and still 6.1, will re-check at 1 hour mark after my injection.

will check my blood sugar level pre-shots, in the morning and pre-workout at 12:01pm, to check to see if my blood level is fluctuating and if it is being messed up I will stop injecting insulin.

Wish me luck!

You have mega balls posting 10iu of slin for starters. You have no business taking that much. This is a case of more is not better. All your trying to do is push nutrients into your muscle post workout. It dosen't take 10 ius to do that. EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT!! The wrong guy sees this post and figures f it ill try it could possibly end up dead. Slin is the most anabolic substance u can put in your body. When taken right, it can build mega mass, taken wrong WILL kill you. Now i no u dont give a f**k what i say, so im not gunna tell u to stop(all thou you should stop) but do yourself a favor and get u some waxymase and put it in your postworkout shake. It will save your life. Eat your meal 1.5 hrs after injection. Just my 2 cents

[gsxracer]

You have mega balls posting 10iu of slin for starters. You have no business taking that much. This is a case of more is not better. All your trying to do is push nutrients into your muscle post workout. It dosen't take 10 ius to do that. EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT!! The wrong guy sees this post and figures f it ill try it could possibly end up dead. Slin is the most anabolic substance u can put in your body. When taken right, it can build mega mass, taken wrong WILL kill you. Now i no u dont give a f**k what i say, so im not gunna tell u to stop(all thou you should stop) but do yourself a favor and get u some waxymase and put it in your postworkout shake. It will save your life. Eat your meal 1.5 hrs after injection. Just my 2 cents

thanks for the advice, ill go get some waxy maize today, and also I do appologise for putting up to 10 IU,

I did say I'm gradly going up to 10 IU and not directly starting from there, and currently I'm at 5 IU and moving up to 6 IU today seeing how it goes.

I'm just trying to get the dose correctly and see if I get decent gains if not I'm going on a cycle of AAS,

[audis4]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa hahahahahahahahahah

holy shit..........

[audis4]

wow, insulin is def not for the newb....

I am personally nervous of the of the stuff and will most likely never take it

[gsxracer]

morning, 9am worked out chest

80lbs dumbells bench 8 reps 3 sets
65lbs incline dumbells 8 reps 3 sets
15lbs flys 12 reps 4 sets

also did abs

took 6 IU insulin, took weight gainers, got back home my blood sugar is at 6.2 after 1 hour, taking a high protein/carb meal,

[diesel405]

Im so slin sensitive i cant get passed 3 iu's or i turn pale. I went hypo once and it scared the shit outta me. Ever since i did the waxymase i havent had a problem. But i still dont push it.

[big_k]

morning, 9am worked out chest

80lbs dumbells bench 8 reps 3 sets
65lbs incline dumbells 8 reps 3 sets
15lbs flys 12 reps 4 sets

also did abs

took 6 IU insulin, took weight gainers, got back home my blood sugar is at 6.2 after 1 hour, taking a high protein/carb meal,

is it me, or is something wrong here?

are you posting warm up sets?


Do you have light/heavy days? Whats the deal?

[thai-lan]

morning, 9am worked out chest

80lbs dumbells bench 8 reps 3 sets
65lbs incline dumbells 8 reps 3 sets
15lbs flys 12 reps 4 sets

also did abs

took 6 IU insulin, took weight gainers, got back home my blood sugar is at 6.2 after 1 hour, taking a high protein/carb meal,

i was just reading through the thread and i saw this and is this the workout that u cant recover from???

[gsxracer]

I'll try not to, checking my blood sugar level every hour interval to make sure i stay above 4.5