Second cycle with PICS

[boz]

lol whos manni? byron?

BAHAHAHAH going off mate doing us aussies proud.

[ranging1]

okay today was another GREAt workout

bodyweight 93.8kg

trained legs
4 sets squats
2 sets machine squats
1 set seated leg curl

today i reallt felt strong an energiized and pumped, can definetaly feel my gear has kicked in

Strength gains
squat 180kg 7 reps
machine squat was 185kg 9 reps, however this was my fifth set so i was pretty fatigued
seated leg curls didnt go to well because my quads injection site were sore from my last jab, so couldnt do seated leg curls properly

looking forward to tricpes and shoulders tomrow

[big_k]

seated leg curls didnt go to well because my quads injection site were sore from my last jab, so couldnt do seated leg curls properly

looking forward to tricpes and shoulders tomrow

do you think a lying leg curl would of been a good exercise instead?

We got similar stats, so I'm excited to see what Tren will do to you. since I am considering using tren in about 8 months. And also comparing and contrasting our lifts. Keep it up bro!


Also do you usually keep the volume on the lower side? Correct me if I'm wrong looks like a lower volume, higher intensity type of routine, or at least on the lower end of volume.


Oh and lastly, are you gonna run an AI at all, or only when you see signs of gyno? I Hate moonface

[tbjake34]

I will be following this because im running tren my next cycle.. Good luck bro im sure the tren is gunna kick ur ass!

[ranging1]

do you think a lying leg curl would of been a good exercise instead?

We got similar stats, so I'm excited to see what Tren will do to you. since I am considering using tren in about 8 months. And also comparing and contrasting our lifts. Keep it up bro!


Also do you usually keep the volume on the lower side? Correct me if I'm wrong looks like a lower volume, higher intensity type of routine, or at least on the lower end of volume.


Oh and lastly, are you gonna run an AI at all, or only when you see signs of gyno? I Hate moonface

i use to do leg curl but i maxed out my gyms lying leg curl machine so i have to use the seated one since it goes up to 147, lying leg curl only goes up to 96

my volume is actually ALOT more then what i usually run, i rarely ever do so many sets just because i find i gain much better strength and size keeping my volume low and of course intensity high, now that im running tren ive added 1 or 2 more sets then normal, but its still relatively lower then what most people i c do

however this level of volume seems to work really well for me, and i dont c the point in risking overtraining when my volume seems to give me great results already

why risk something thats working for something ur not sure about IMO

and no im not running an AI since they suppress gains, some people think they dont but i believe they do, and from alot of research its pretty clear they do, estrogen is anabolic, estrogen still raises IGF and improves strength, so id rather reap the benefits of it then risk suppressing its benefits all becuase i cant handle the bloat

I will be following this because im running tren my next cycle.. Good luck bro im sure the tren is gunna kick ur ass!

lol thanks mate, hoping the same

ANYWAYS today was another great workout

trained shoulders, triceps

bodyweight 94.4kg

workout
2 sets dumbbell shoulder press
1 set behind the neck press
2 sets machine lateral raises
3 sets dumbell hammer grip skull crushers
2 sets straight bar skull crushers
2 sets tricep press downs

^^ might have done a little to much for my triceps IMO but shall c how recovery goes

Strength gains
dumbell shoulder press is back up to 46kg 6 reps
behind the neck press was 92kg, not my best but it was after my dumbell shoulder press
machine lateral raises were 129kg, 8 reps machine is maxxed out so im putting plates ontop, the machine seems to be almost breaking lol
dumbell hammer grips were 25kg, 9 reps
tricep press downs were 67kg 7 reps

SIDE EFFECTS
water retention is becoming more visible, moon face is becoming worse, im getting continuous hot flushes and feel really warm all the time, no sleeping issues yet however my dreams are becoming really really weird

DIET ATM, im not going into details, i know how to diet
breakfast: 110 carbs/ 50 protein/ 5 fat
Lunch: 80 carbs/ 45 protein/ 5 fat
snack 1: 40 carbs/40 protein/ 5 fat
snack 2: 40 carbs/40 protein/ 5 fat
Preworkout: 20 carbs
post workout: 40 carbs/40 protein/ 2 fat
dinner: approx 120 carbs/ 60 protein/ 15 fat
before bed: 15 carbs/ 30 protein/ 2 fat

TOTALS carbs 445/ protein 305/ fat 40

im going to increase my calories starting tomorow prob by 300 n c how thats goes, atm i just dont feel im eating enough, prob increase my fat and carb intakes since fat definetaly lacking

[ranging1]

okay today was another great workout

bodyweight 95.4kg, up 1.8kgs so far,

today trained biceps

workout
1 set barbell curls
1 set dumbell preacher curls
4 sets v bar cable curl
1 set preacher curls

workout was little messy today because my right arms wrist is really hurting when i curl so think ill be doing more machine and cable work (v bars, preacher machines etc) for awhile till its recovers, im sure my heavy back workouts will stimulate my arms enough

Strength gains
barbell curl 60kg, 9 reps
dumbell preacher curl 25kg, 10 reps
v bar cable curl 60kg, 6 reps

Recovery abilities
triceps a little sore from 2 days ago workout, but do feel really good considering workout volume, back feels good as new from yesterdays workout, only rear delts are a little sore, all other muscles feel great

Side effects
getting alot of water retention now, have a moonish face, body looks very watery and puffy and smooth, dont mind though since it does make me appear bigger, just less defined, body hair growth is thicker and faster, starting to get more pimples erhhh.... ,

diet atm (grams)
breakfast: 100 carbs, 45 protein, 5 fat
snack: 30 carbs, 35 protein, 4 fat
Lunch: 100 carbs, 45 protein, 9 fat
pre workout: 15 carbs
post workout: 40 carbs, 45 protein, 2 fat
snack 2: 50 carbs, 40 protein, 5 fat
snack 3: 30 carbs, 30 protein, 4 fat
Dinner: 120-150 carbs, 50 protein, 15 fat<- dinner is always big in my family so have to deal with it
Before bed: 30 protein, 15 carbs, 2 fat

totals 460 carbs, 285 protein, 46 fat

tonight i might up my calorie intake by another 200-300 just to help improve arm recovery

[Aizen Sosuke]

Could you describe the weird dreams? Everyone seems to get them but no one ever explains. Thanks

[ranging1]

Could you describe the weird dreams? Everyone seems to get them but no one ever explains. Thanks

weird as in out of the ordinary, just dreams ud never had before

this is an example of one so far

in my dream i was trying to run over a good mate of mine with a car, and another person who i hate, i dreamed was rich and successful

[HustlerBrah]

weird as in out of the ordinary, just dreams ud never had before

this is an example of one so far

in my dream i was trying to run over a good mate of mine with a car, and another person who i hate, i dreamed was rich and successful

was i driving?

[ranging1]

was i driving?

LMFAO not you hustler, u were eating tandoori chicken wings

ANYWAYS, today was another good workout

trained chest

Workout
1 set decline bench press
3 sets flat bench press
1 set decline press dropseted with flat bench
2 sets incline bench press
1 set machine chest press

Strength gains

flat bench 125kg, 6 reps
decline same
incline bench press 120kg, 6 reps


RECOVERY
after yesterdays biceps workout i feel like their good as new already

SIDE EFFECTS
bloat is getting really bad, but owell
hair growth all over body is much worse but owell


today at my gym one of the trainers who work there randomly walked up to me and goes 'how was your front load?'

didn't know what to say lol, owell, least i know theres people in my area who use this forum now

[Aizen Sosuke]

Did you come off tren and raise the test?

[bigmark91]

looking good bro!

[ranging1]

Did you come off tren and raise the test?

yes, i dropped the tren and raised my test to 800mg weekly

looking good bro!

THANKS MATE, nice to c a melbournian

[ranging1]

today was another good workout

bodyweight 95.6kg

trained, lats, rear delts, traps

workout
1 set lat pull down
2 sets weighted pull ups
1 set t bar pull downs
3 sets barbell shrugs
2 sets lateral machine rows (upright machine barbell row)

Strength gains
weighted pull ups bodyweight +25kg for 8 reps
barbell shrugs 180kg, 8 reps, YES!!!! 4 plates each side
lateral machine rows 105kg 10 reps

as for lat pull downs and t bar pull downs i think im going to stop doing this since i just dont find them effective, that and im struggling to pull down the stack of 127kg, when i only weigh 95, makes life pretty hard

Recovery
chest today from yesterdays workout is a little sore, btu feels pretty good
all other muscles feel great

Side effects
water retention is really really bad, body hair growth is getting worse, oily skin is starting and is annoying, im also begining to get headaches randomly, always happens when i first start training, the harder i push the more it hurts, its really weird and painful

[HEFTY-express]

thats the tren man.. push through that lol

[dec11]

did i read right tht ur doin 195kgs stiff leg d'lift??!!!!!

[BJJ]

Good Luck

[ranging1]

thats the tren man.. push through that lol

yea dw, hitting the advil and nurofen to get rid of it lol

did i read right tht ur doin 195kgs stiff leg d'lift??!!!!!

yea u read right, can actually do more though

Good Luck

thanks mate appreciate it

[dec11]

yea dw, hitting the advil and nurofen to get rid of it lol



yea u read right, can actually do more though



thanks mate appreciate it

thts a fookin big stiff leg for your body weight, i take it thts from the floor? u must have powerlifting behind you? i dont go higher than 150kgs on em and max out normal deads at 270. good goin dude!!

[ranging1]

thts a fookin big stiff leg for your body weight, i take it thts from the floor? u must have powerlifting behind you? i dont go higher than 150kgs on em and max out normal deads at 270. good goin dude!!

yea course its from the floor, is der anywhere else u can do them from?

naaa dont do any powerlifting, just genetically strong glutes and lower back, always had good leg genetics

ay but 270kg deadlift is still pretty good, just goes to show genetics

[ranging1]

ok today was alright workout, still not then best

bodyweight 96kg

trained inner back, rear delts,

workout
alternating sets between
3 sets dumbell rows
3 sets lateral machine rows

then 1 set cable machine rows

Strength gains
dumbell rows same grrrrrr not happy
machine lateral rows 110kg 6 reps

not the best strength gains, owell next week ill make sure i get better

last week
bodyweight 94.6kg+.8kg

Strengths
flat bench 120kg 6 reps
decline bench press: 140kg, 4 reps
good mornings: 130kg, 10 reps
machine lateral raises 129kg, 8 reps<-machine maxed out, so stacking weight ontop
machine squat =215kg, 6 reps
sqaut: 180kg 7 reps
45 degree leg press: 760kg, 6 reps
barbell shoulder press infront: 80kg 10reps
behind the neck barbell press 92kg 6 reps
fixed pull down: 155kg, 6 reps
Lat pull down 127kg 5 reps
barbell shrugs: 175kg, 13 reps
deadlift: 230kg, 8 reps
leg extensions: 137, 11 reps<-machine maxed out
dumbell rows each arm: 65kg, 5 reps
calve raise using 45 degree leg press: 450kg, 15 reps
leg curls 96kg 20 reps <- again machine maxed out
seated leg curl: 137, 11 reps< machine maxed out
stiff leg deadlift 195kg, 10 reps
incline dumbell press 52kg, 8 reps
reverse grip curl 40kg, 11 reps
barbell curl: 60kg, 7 reps
dumbell chest press: 55kg, 9 reps
dumbell shoulder press: 46kg, 6 reps
machine lateral row 105kg, 6 reps
skull crushers 65kg, 6 reps

end week 2
bodyweight 96kg +1.8kg

Strengths
flat bench: 125kg 6 reps
decline bench press: 140kg, 4 reps
good mornings: 130kg, 10 reps
machine lateral raises 130kg, 8 reps<-machine maxed out, so stacking weight ontop
machine squat =215kg, 6 reps
sqaut: 183kg 7 reps
45 degree leg press: 760kg, 6 reps
barbell shoulder press infront: 80kg 10reps
behind the neck barbell press 92kg 6 reps
fixed pull down: 155kg, 6 reps
Lat pull down 127kg 5 reps
barbell shrugs: 180kg, 8 reps
deadlift: 230kg, 8 reps
leg extensions: 137, 11 reps<-machine maxed out
dumbell rows each arm: 65kg, 5 reps
calve raise using 45 degree leg press: 485kg, 8 reps
leg curls 96kg 20 reps <- again machine maxed out
seated leg curl: 137, 11 reps< machine maxed out
stiff leg deadlift 195kg, 10 reps
incline dumbell press 52kg, 8 reps
reverse grip curl 40kg, 11 reps
barbell curl: 60kg, 9 reps
dumbell chest press: 55kg, 9 reps
dumbell shoulder press: 46kg, 7 reps
machine lateral row 110kg, 6 reps
skull crushers 65kg, 6 reps

[dec11]

yea course its from the floor, is der anywhere else u can do them from?

naaa dont do any powerlifting, just genetically strong glutes and lower back, always had good leg genetics

ay but 270kg deadlift is still pretty good, just goes to show genetics

alot use lockouts frm the power rack to assist deadlift finishing phase

[ranging1]

okay today was another good workout

trained quads, hamstirngs, glutes, lower back, calves

bodyweight 95.5kg

workout
4 sets squats (arse to the grass)
2 sets machine squat
2 sets seated leg curls
2 sets leg crushers
3 sets calve raises using 45 degree leg press

Strength gains
squat 183kg 7 reps
calve raises using 45 degree leg press 485kg, 9 reps

side effects
water bloat is pretty bad now, but going to deal with it, face looks like the moon, body hair and facial hair growth is worse, oily skin is bad, one or 2 acne spots (nothing to worry about), headaches are mild and not as bad

Revovery
from yesterdays workout lats are little sore, traps feel little sore, rear delts are great, chest feels little sore but almost good, rest my body feels great

atm my shoulders are really hurting coz i had to jab in both 1ml 2 days ago, unfortunally mate who jabbed me didnt realise needle had to go all way in so it leaked alot and then i had to rejab the same shoulders

so ended up jabbing each shoulder twice

first needle jabs were 25 5/8s, but since i realised mate wasnt very clear on what to do i just used 21s that were 1 and 1/4 inch, which hurt lol

[ranging1]

okay today was pretty good day

bodyweight 95.8kg

trained triceps and front and middle delts, abdominals

workout
2 sets dumbell shoulder press
1 set behind the neck press
1 set machine shoulder press
3 sets hammer grip dumbell skull crushers
2 sets v bar tricep press downs
1 set skull crushers drop seted with hammer grip dumbell skull crushers

superset
40 crunches, 30 lying leg raises, 30 crunches with legs raised, 30 double crunches, 30 45 degree decline sit ups, 20 hanging leg raises

Strength gains
dumbell shoulder press 46kg, 7 reps
machine shoulder press 86kg, 6 reps
tricep press downs 67kg 8 reps

decided today to change my cycle to just testerone alone

going to up my test to 800mg a week and dropping the tren, save it for another time

[ranging1]

okay today trained biceps

boduweight 96kg

workout
3 sets standing one arm dumbell curls
2 sets straight barbell curls
2 sets hammer curls
2 sets concentration curls

today decided to do large amount of volume becuase i wanted to see my recovery abilities since my back feels good as new from yesterdays workout and my triceps/shoulders feel good as new aswell, also up my calories today by 300 extra to help make recovery better

strength gains
one arm dumbell curl standing 25kg 6 reps

[Okinawa_Power]

Do you lock your legs when doing stiff leg DL's? That is a hell of a lot of weight for 10 reps for Stiff Leg!!!! I mean most people can't DL 429lbs doing regular DL's let alone stiff dead's.......Just curious to know your form......

[Monster87]

His deadlift he says is 230kg for 8 reps, which is absolutely insane. That's 507 for 8, so his max would be well over 600! Pretty damn impressive bro...

[F4iGuy]

Your deadlift makes my deadlift sad. Nice numbers.

[ranging1]

Your deadlift makes my deadlift sad. Nice numbers.

^^^ serious? thought most people on this forum had much bigger deadlifts?


anyways today was GREAT

bodyweight 96kg

trained chest
workout
3 sets bench press
1 set incline dumbells
1 set incline barbell press
2 sets decline press
2 sets machine chest press

Strength gains
flat bench 130kg 6 reps
incline dumbell press 55kg each arm 5 reps

decline press i suffered since my left shoulder seems to be playing up, so making decline pressing hard

side effects
only side effect atm seems to be bloat, moon face, some oily skin and one or 2 acne spots

Recovery
is insane, trained bicep yesterday with 9 sets and today they feel GREAT so think i might stick to high volume for awhile now since i seem to be able to recover so easily

[bjpennnn]

good luck with the cycle man

[ranging1]

good luck with the cycle man

thanks mate


anyways today was another awesome workout

trained lats, rear delts traps

bodyweight 96.6kg

Workout
2 set pull ups
2 sets fixed pull down
3 sets machine lateral rows
3 sets barbell shrugs

Strength gains
pull ups 8 reps +30kg added
machine lateral rows 117kg 6 reps
barbell shrugs 180kg 12 reps

[stevey_6t9]

You excited op to staunch around the uni bar when you go back? haha. You down melb uni?

[ranging1]

You excited op to staunch around the uni bar when you go back? haha. You down melb uni?

lol hahahahaah hell yea

though i go to la trobe uni in bundoora

[ranging1]

okay today was another GREAT workout

bodyweight 96kg

trained legs and calves

workout
4 sets squats
3 sets machine squats
2 sets one legged kneeling leg curl
3 sets calve raises using 45 degree leg press
2 sets leg crushers

Strength gains
squat 185kg, 6 reps BOOOO YEAAAAAAA
machine squat 215kg 8 reps
calve raises using 45 degree leg press 500kg 7 reps
one legged kneeling leg curl 50kg 10 reps

REALLY glad with today results considering i was feeling pretty wrecked and tiered before i worked out

DIET ATM approx
Breakfast: cereal with skim milk (45 protein, 130 carbs, 6 fat)
Lunch: (45 protein, 105 carbs, 9 fat)
pre workout: 1-2 scoops no xpode (12 carbs)
Postworkout: gatorade, whey protein shake ( 45 protein, 40 carbs, 2 fat)
Snack 1: protein shake, up and go shake (45 protein, 60 carbs, 5 fat)
Snack 2: same as snack 1, (45 protein, 60 carbs, 5 fat)
Dinner: diced chicken breast in indian curry and lime and cocanut rice: (50-60 protein, 130 carbs, 20 fat)
Before bed: skim milk with half scoop casein protein (15 carbs, 30 protein, 2 fat)

Totals: Protein 305, Carbs 450, Fat 50

[Monster87]

You are a BEAST!!!
Here's a formula I use to calculate my 1RM, it's always within 10 lbs: 1+(.033*# reps) * weight. So, your deadlift would be: 1+(0.264)*507=640 lbs!
And I thought I was strong lol...

[ranging1]

You are a BEAST!!!
Here's a formula I use to calculate my 1RM, it's always within 10 lbs: 1+(.033*# reps) * weight. So, your deadlift would be: 1+(0.264)*507=640 lbs!
And I thought I was strong lol...

thanks mate, appreciate it
cool formula, mght use that few times to see my other lifts

anyways today i trained shoulders and triceps


bodyweight 97.2kg, however alot of water retention so this could explain the weight gain

workout
2 sets dumbell press
2 sets machine shoulder press
2 sets machine lateral raises

superset with 3 minutes rest between each of
3 sets dumbell lying skull crushers (hammer grip)
2 sets straight bar cable press downs
2 sets v bar cable press downs

Strength gains
machine lateral raises 132kg, 6 reps
machine shoulder press 95kg 8 reps

tricep didnt gain any strength but not fusse becuase they were trained hard on chest day and last week i didnt train them hard enough, this week im sure ive stunted some growth

[ranging1]

okay today was an upseting day

trained inner back, rear delts, biceps

Workout
2 set dumbell rows
2 sets machine lateral rows
1 set cable row

3 sets one arm dumbell curls
3 sets hammer grip curls
3 sets concentration curls
1 set ez bar curl

Strength gains
lateral rows 117kg 7 reps

thats it

definetaly putting on size, but my strength doesnt seem to be increasing as fast as id like

did ALOT of volume on my biceps today to test my recovery abilitiies,

gonna increase my calories today by about 700 above maintaince to try compensate for large amount of volume on my biceps today

unfortunatly tomorow i have a dance event all day and wont be able to eat properly, and will be consuming alcohol

havent drank alcohol in 6 months, and im really upset that i wont be able to eat properly at the event

i guess ima have to eat unhealthy for one day just to make sure i get some calories in, i doubt they will sell tuna and lean chcicken breast at the event, most likely itll be hot dogs etc

as for the alcohol gonna have to put up with one day of it

[Alex Rodriguez]

i have one thing to critique i think considering ur on cycle u should be doing considerably more then 50 sets a week, cuz one of the real big things steroids does is help u recover quicker, u should prolly do like 75 sets or something

[ranging1]

i have one thing to critique i think considering ur on cycle u should be doing considerably more then 50 sets a week, cuz one of the real big things steroids does is help u recover quicker, u should prolly do like 75 sets or something

yea maybe, however my last cycle i used lower volume and still gained very well

ive been uping my volume slowly according to how i recover atm

atm my volume looks like this

chest 9 sets
lats 4 sets
inner back 4 sets
traps 3 sets
calves 3 sets
legs 7 compund sets, 4 isolation sets
front shoulder 4 sets
middle delt 3 sets
rear delt 3 sets
tricep 7 sets (might bump this up to 8)

biceps ANYTHING, 9 sets atm since i just cant seem to get them growing

im pretty happy with my volume atm

only bodyparts im strugging with atm is 'inner back' since my biceps tend to give way before it does

rear delts coming along slowly,

triceps again slowly

everything else is great, so i dont really wanna change the volume since its working well for them

as i said biceps are the major issue atm, since der screwing up my inner back workouts

[Alex Rodriguez]

yea maybe, however my last cycle i used lower volume and still gained very well

ive been uping my volume slowly according to how i recover atm

atm my volume looks like this

chest 9 sets
lats 4 sets
inner back 4 sets
traps 3 sets
calves 3 sets
legs 7 compund sets, 4 isolation sets
front shoulder 4 sets
middle delt 3 sets
rear delt 3 sets
tricep 7 sets (might bump this up to 8)

biceps ANYTHING, 9 sets atm since i just cant seem to get them growing

im pretty happy with my volume atm

only bodyparts im strugging with atm is 'inner back' since my biceps tend to give way before it does

rear delts coming along slowly,

triceps again slowly

everything else is great, so i dont really wanna change the volume since its working well for them

as i said biceps are the major issue atm, since der screwing up my inner back workouts

true true u r gaining good but i have a gut feeling if ur on cycle, u could handle 100-120 set per week especially since ur body already probably has a very good recovery period naturally since ur very strong, and especially since ur on cycle u do that, and u could very easily experience some truly magical freakish gains, like be benching 460 at the end of the cycle i think the whole hoopla belief that over "overtraining is real easy to do" is a lil out of control