Safest AAS for Men

[Chance1826]

I don't care about my squat. I hate them in fact. I need to run and swim, it's so much more important in my current field. I actually do not have chicken legs, or small legs by any means. I may be a bit larger topside, but not by much.

running is lowering your squat straight off, look at the diff in tht and your d'lift, should be very similar max's in these lifts and if your benching more than your squat something is badly wrong. im guessing your quite top heavy?

[Knockout_Power]

I agree! 2 months and I need to be ready no later than May 7th.

You must have good dedication to get where you are already. A solid cutting diet will get your there in 2 months. I wont lie, your strength will go down, but you're more focused on the esthetics right now (it seems). Let your trainer know you are focusing on this so he does not push you are hard max weight wise (avoid injuries)

Take a trip tot he diet section. HIgh protein, moderate carbs (some carb cycling) and good fats and you can drop those lbs for sure by mid May.

Good luck

[dec11]

Bro, your stats vs. lifting are pretty deadly. Good on you if that was done naturally. Maybe post a pic of yourself and the boys on here can guess your actual bodyfat. They are usually wihtin 1-2%.

agreed, very nice lifts and if he could get that squat up he should go in2 comps

[dec11]

I don't care about my squat. I hate them in fact. I need to run and swim, it's so much more important in my current field. I actually do not have chicken legs, or small legs by any means. I may be a bit larger topside, but not by much.

yea fair enuf mate, good luck with it all, lets us knw what you decide

[Nooomoto]

Actually it's not. He is a retired US Army SF drill instructor.
Yes, I chose to have one who is a personal friend train me because he wouldn't let up and said he would get me in better shape than anyone else. I took the bet. It's a long story..but I have two.

You're a joke, dude. There's no such thing as a "US Army SF drill instructor"...either you're lying, or your buddy is lying, or you're both lying. I'm sure the level of lying has a lot to do with why you couldn't/wouldn't answer any one of the very simple questions I asked. Either way, someone needs to get stomped for lying about being something they never were, and could never be.

[AlphaGenetics]

you're a joke, dude. There's no such thing as a "us army sf drill instructor"...either you're lying, or your buddy is lying, or you're both lying. I'm sure the level of lying has a lot to do with why you couldn't/wouldn't answer any one of the very simple questions i asked. Either way, someone needs to get stomped for lying about being something they never were, and could never be.

: O .

[Chance1826]

I'm extremely dedicated. I however am focused on both strength and endurance. I however want to cut fat and at the same time build muscle. I have already compromised some of my strength by losing some fat or water weight already when I came off creatine previously. I'm now back on and my weight has gone up another 5 pounds or so. I just started Parillo's Mineral Electrolyte combination, but have been taking his Multi-V for quite some time. I guess need to up my protein by drinking his 50/50 again. I'll start back on that today. I was a vegetarian for 12 years in H.S. and in college, but after joining the Navy, I started to eat chicken, fish, and anything other than red meats. Like I stated before, my diet is very healthy, and it's a rather colored plate or assorted fruits, vegetables, and a white meat.

In my training out in CA, we were instructed to drink milk, and OJ, as well as keeping to a strict diet. After that my team and I kind of slacked off, but that's what happens once your acclimated and accepted. I think by the sound of it, by making my diet a bit stricter, I should reach my intended weight goal by the deadline.

I was also given a choice of taking anadrol, but I read about it and just not too sure. I'm in excellent health and don't want to screw with it. I however, am to the point, that time is not an option I have right now. It's my fault, but I need to fix it. 12 to 14 pounds...ugh! I might as well run in a sauna. No seriously, I'm so looking forward to the intense strength conditioning training this weekend.

You must have good dedication to get where you are already. A solid cutting diet will get your there in 2 months. I wont lie, your strength will go down, but you're more focused on the esthetics right now (it seems). Let your trainer know you are focusing on this so he does not push you are hard max weight wise (avoid injuries)

Take a trip tot he diet section. HIgh protein, moderate carbs (some carb cycling) and good fats and you can drop those lbs for sure by mid May.

Good luck

[Chance1826]

That's awesome to hear! It was all natural, I mean except for the supp I take.
I never was about roids or anything else, but my trainer saw my frustration with my deadline and suggested it. In the SF most guys are on something. It's just the military tends to look the other way. We are required to do so much that is hardly possible without them. I tried very hard to be natural, but I think it's coming to a point where natural is not the way to go now. I only did not want to be on roids because of gyno, testes issues, and hair loss. I think I can keep my liver count in check. I'm more concerned about the other sides. Nothing against anyone for taking them either, I just wanted to be natural as long as I could.

2 comps?

agreed, very nice lifts and if he could get that squat up he should go in2 comps

[Chance1826]

Hmm...I will try and find this diet..section. Thanks!!!

You must have good dedication to get where you are already. A solid cutting diet will get your there in 2 months. I wont lie, your strength will go down, but you're more focused on the esthetics right now (it seems). Let your trainer know you are focusing on this so he does not push you are hard max weight wise (avoid injuries)

Take a trip tot he diet section. HIgh protein, moderate carbs (some carb cycling) and good fats and you can drop those lbs for sure by mid May.

Good luck

[Chance1826]

Go blow smoke up someone elses ass! There is a such thing.. He was a physical trainer for the Army SF..he did made sure they were physically fit for certain aspects of training for different objectives in the field. We even had these type of instructors on Silver Beach, in Coronado, CA. They put us though BUDS. He wasn't a drill sgt to current SF guys, he was a former kick your ass sgt who put the trainees through hell to see if they had what it takes to become Delta or GB. He wasn't a drill sgt for the current guys in those respective groups. Later he became the guy who made sure they stayed physically ready. Here in the teams we have a few people similar to that, but our master chief, is that guy, albeit in much less of a way. We have more leeway in the teams than most other SF branches do.

You're a joke, dude. There's no such thing as a "US Army SF drill instructor"...either you're lying, or your buddy is lying, or you're both lying. I'm sure the level of lying has a lot to do with why you couldn't/wouldn't answer any one of the very simple questions I asked. Either way, someone needs to get stomped for lying about being something they never were, and could never be.

[wheninrome]

What exactly is a "black ops drill sgt"?

I think your trainer(s) are blowing smoke up your ass, dude.

with you here Nooo.. wtf?

a SF instructor perhaps, maybe a Ranger Instructor, Delta are pulled from other units and don't have a "drill Sgt".. not much knowledge about Seals but a "black ops" Drill SGT? if your doing anything "black ops" you are already trained son_ you don't need a Drill.. i am also calling bullshit..

[Knockout_Power]

Lots of sugars in both milk and OJ, cut them out while trying to drop weight... the sauna doesnt burn fat, it drops water weight fast if you are cutting for a competition. Low water will slow down your fat loss. Do it with a clean diet and lots of water and you will be there by your deadline.

[Chance1826]

Delta I'm pretty sure we discussed but I'm not clear to what involvement.. I know for a fact he mentioned it. He was a former Airborne Ranger and than GB in Vietnam. That's about all I know of that part of his career. He later became an a drill sgt due to injuries and later and instructor. I said he was a drill sgt..for potential black ops.. and eventually a physical trainer to them once accepted. I did not find this forum to need to be a life's biography to my trainers conquests. I simply stopped by for answers. I gave a brief description of his former professional life, even I do not know much about it, nor do I care to either. I'm not Army nor do I want to be.

with you here Nooo.. wtf?

a SF instructor perhaps, maybe a Ranger Instructor, Delta are pulled from other units and don't have a "drill Sgt".. not much knowledge about Seals but a "black ops" Drill SGT? if your doing anything "black ops" you are already trained son_ you don't need a Drill.. i am also calling bullshit..

[Chance1826]

Yeah..I understand that part. We had them because in my training we went through...we burned nearly everything we took in...and I mean everything. It takes a while after BUDS to get your system to move again. They count on you not needing to use the facilities for the most part. Most of what is taken in is burned up quite quickly due to the intensity and duration of each evolution. Lol the sauna was a joke! We however did that for wrestling in HS.

Lots of water...and a clean diet. Great thanks. I'm curious if I can drink anything besides water, like say..vitamin water, or gatorade. I dislike plain water unless in dire need of a drink. If I must, I will, but is there some other alternatives? Maybe even add a little fresh lemon juice to it. Growing up, my parents never had water without fresh lemon, I've grown accustom to it now. I don't even go to a restaurant without getting a water without lemon. My substitute for water, club soda, which I just found out contains a of of sodium, but I drank that before with lime. I just cut that out recently. I rarely ever drink alcohol either, maybe a glass of wine on occasion, but nothing in great quantities.

Lots of sugars in both milk and OJ, cut them out while trying to drop weight... the sauna doesnt burn fat, it drops water weight fast if you are cutting for a competition. Low water will slow down your fat loss. Do it with a clean diet and lots of water and you will be there by your deadline.

[Arian]

I think the reason some people are giving you crap about the military stuff is because you were the one that brought it all up in the first place. For the most part in my experience, people that go around dropping names and talking about who they know and what they do and how awesome they are, are generally full of BS. I mean, if you wanted to talk about all that, why not go to the lounge? Nobody needed to hear all that to tell you not to do a straight dbol cycle. Now, after all that smack talking about the military stuff, it's hard for me to believe you when you talk about your lifts. Not that it matters what I believe or not. Just letting you know that if you want people to take you seriously, you should leave all the other crap at the door.

[Chance1826]

I always tell people what my trainers background is on forums because it's much less personal. I don't drop names elsewhere on the street. What lounge? I never knew there was a lounge porthole on here. I could careless what anyone believes or doesn't and nor do I care to believe people like you who make rude comments like that. The internet was developed for impersonal communication and it went the other direction and became so much more a personal communication entity. People share a whole LOT more on the internet then they will ever share in real life. I tend to use the internet to the greater extent of research gathering whether through full disclosure or not, but generally with full disclosure. We have SN's and avatars for a reason, to keep that veil of privacy between yourself and the other blogger or forum member.

Now aside from that...I'm not the bragadocious type nor do I name drop, but most people on here like to know the reason you wish to get on AAS. I have a deadline and I cannot sway from it. I needed to be as cut and dry as possible, but yet honest to the members here without pulling wool over someone's eyes etc.. My gentlemen once told me once, that if you give the person the specifics to your challenge or challenges there should be no more questions to ask about if they are really trying to assist your case. That has held true to this day.

I think the reason some people are giving you crap about the military stuff is because you were the one that brought it all up in the first place. For the most part in my experience, people that go around dropping names and talking about who they know and what they do and how awesome they are, are generally full of BS. I mean, if you wanted to talk about all that, why not go to the lounge? Nobody needed to hear all that to tell you not to do a straight dbol cycle. Now, after all that smack talking about the military stuff, it's hard for me to believe you when you talk about your lifts. Not that it matters what I believe or not. Just letting you know that if you want people to take you seriously, you should leave all the other crap at the door.

[no1tou]

It's diet, not training. I started eating 6 meals a day about a month ago, but have always ate right. I however, do not eat red meat but once a month, as I never cared for it.

I realize that may not have been clear after re-reading my post but that's exactly the point I was trying to make. If you hit a wall after only one year, I dont think training has much to do with it. Your diet is definitely flawed.

[Chance1826]

Yes! It has been for a while. I'm trying to borrow a diet from the carb cutting area in the diet section. I'm hoping this works. I'll stick to whatever I need to do to attain my goals by the deadline.

What do you recommend after my weight is achieved as far as AAS go? Please give me some opinions on injections and oral, not a combo, but the two options. While I'm against injections, most people here swear by them, and some of my buddies do them too. Also what PCT do you recommend with each? I assume there are no good AAS that have little side effects on the male that make good sense? That would be too perfect of a world..correct?

I realize that may not have been clear after re-reading my post but that's exactly the point I was trying to make. If you hit a wall after only one year, I dont think training has much to do with it. Your diet is definitely flawed.

[no1tou]

running is lowering your squat straight off, look at the diff in tht and your d'lift, should be very similar max's in these lifts and if your benching more than your squat something is badly wrong. im guessing your quite top heavy?

I have this same problem. I bench 335 and squat 295 and I weigh 200lbs. I just never really took training my legs very serious untill last year. I had no clue that it was so key in building over all mass. Man I wish I knew 14 years ago what I know now.

It definitely caused lower back problems off and on for me for a very long time. Finally after 6 months of hard leg and lower back training I'm coming around. I also have bad circulation in my legs which doesnt help.

[Nooomoto]

with you here Nooo.. wtf?

a SF instructor perhaps, maybe a Ranger Instructor, Delta are pulled from other units and don't have a "drill Sgt".. not much knowledge about Seals but a "black ops" Drill SGT? if your doing anything "black ops" you are already trained son_ you don't need a Drill.. i am also calling bullshit..

Maybe this is the "black ops drill sgt"

[2jz_calgary]

sorry but no real experienced vet would reccomend someone a dbol only cycle. sorry

[no1tou]

Yes! It has been for a while. I'm trying to borrow a diet from the carb cutting area in the diet section. I'm hoping this works. I'll stick to whatever I need to do to attain my goals by the deadline.

What do you recommend after my weight is achieved as far as AAS go? Please give me some opinions on injections and oral, not a combo, but the two options. While I'm against injections, most people here swear by them, and some of my buddies do them too. Also what PCT do you recommend with each? I assume there are no good AAS that have little side effects on the male that make good sense? That would be too perfect of a world..correct?

You can't borrow a diet. You can use the diet for ideas as to how to lay out your diet but you need to start by finding your BMR. After that you can use a diet sample and change the amounts according to your BMR.

There is risk involved in using any AAS and if I lifted what you say you do naturally then I doubt I would even use AAS. You need at least one solid month in learning how to diet before you can even consider AAS. You will probably acheive all your goals naturally with just a good diet. Then if your still bent on doing it, get real frendly with needles or don't touch the stuff...ever. Needles are not really an option they are the only option imo.

[juiceda26]

180lbs with a 17% bf and you bench 420. Ya right.

[Nooomoto]

180lbs with a 17% bf and you bench 420. Ya right.

He also deadlifts 515, but barely ever does it. Not to mention running for 2 hours with a heart rate between 180-200. I can sprint for 2 hours...can't you?

[juiceda26]

duh!

[terraj]

Powerlifting...but looking to get cut up and build lean solid muscle.

Cool.

Your buddy says Dbol and lot of powerlifters are fans of this compound for the added strength is gives them.

If you are not ready to pin yourself really you are not ready to to cycle. But in saying that, you may get what you want from a Var cycle and to answer your first question, it is as far as orals go it is a very safe cycle.

[terraj]

Whoa nelly!
I just read the rest of the shit on this thread....you don't care about your squat? But you are powerlifting?

I have two posts on this thread and I would like my time back thanks.

[terraj]

Whoa nelly!
I just read the rest of the shit on this thread....you don't care about your squat? But you are powerlifting?

I have 3 posts on this thread and I would like my time back thanks.

[jasperhup]

not true, you just dont see the mass as clearly defined, and serious plifters dont particularily care for asthetics. ive plifted for 17yrs and i am starting to lean out a bit now and am fairly well carved with good mass, aswell as tht i've competed against many guys who were as ripped as any BB'er. plifting, like strongman, has become more athletic in recent times. OP, ive overcome plateaus naturally right up until my early 30's, sometimes a break is all you need, believe me

well good for you on that career, i'm getting back into lifting seriously with competition in mind and i might bounce some Q's off you. to be clear, my was a relative one -- while some PLs have physiques of statues, the general (often i think was my selected word) body builder will have more overall muscle mass than say his twin who was a strict power lifter. lats, upper pecs, rear and side delts, quads and calves and biceps and even forearms are muscles body builders kill, but imo aren't as necessary for great PL numbers.

i will say i have found sets of 8-12 reps in the big 3 as a back off have improved my body mass, and powerlifters who are just super focused on low rep pure strength stuff tend to to add as much mass but piles on the strength.

your point is a fair one on the state of the art in powerlifting tho, i think i might have to retool my routine.

[powerliftmike]

In my experience dbol aromatizes more than any other AAS. So the lower the bodyfat the better with this one, or you might need some a-dex or the equivalent. I would start things off with a test e/cyp cycle assuming everything else, included years training, is in order.

[wheninrome]

I'm a Navy Seal Ranger Green Beret Spy and i'm 5'2" and 65 pounds. I have been training with Jack LaLanne, Lou Ferrigno, Superman and The Gubnah. My hobbies are putting sailboats into bottles, kicking myself in the nads and flowers. I can squat 975 twice and bench 12 pounds. I have Aboriginal blood so i can run for 7 days without food, water or shitting. Can you guys tell me if Dbol is the key to life?

[wheninrome]

^^ that is the absolute best avatar on the site^^ thanks mike

[Nooomoto]

So I did some searching...I typed in "chance1826" on google and came up with some really interesting stuff...

Talking about dudes cocks in the locker room...
http://www.foreskin-restoration.net/...read.php?t=603

His profile as a martial artist..
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/member.php?u=93926

Last, but certainly not least...he's reached 2000 posts on a forum for gay dudes...
http://jmedia6.justusboys.com/forum/...d.php?t=119353


I just did some more searching...here he talks about being a gay body builder...
http://jmedia6.justusboys.com/forum/...d.php?t=280063

Can we call bullshit on this guy yet?

[Chance1826]

Yeah, I myself have found some weak points in my lower back, but my trainer emphasized deadlifts, and squats early on. I personally never cared too much for squats because it's an uncomfortable position. But we should train our weak points more than our strong points or at least just as much.

Wish you the best in your routine. Keep that leg circulation under control..

I have this same problem. I bench 335 and squat 295 and I weigh 200lbs. I just never really took training my legs very serious untill last year. I had no clue that it was so key in building over all mass. Man I wish I knew 14 years ago what I know now.

It definitely caused lower back problems off and on for me for a very long time. Finally after 6 months of hard leg and lower back training I'm coming around. I also have bad circulation in my legs which doesnt help.

[Chance1826]

That's what I was thinking..
But if I told you his name..everyone would be like no way..him! I won't because illegal substances are being discussed and who knows who reads these boards. He hold multiple world records in lifting and was a pioneer in the 80's and 90's. I believe in college he even won some impressive records if I'm not mistaken.

His response to me was don't question me, I know what I'm doing, you know who I am and how I got to be here...blah blah blah... I really respect him because of how far he got me, and credit him and my strength conditioning trainer for it, but his AAS recommendation sucked... I think his goal was to get me on this and move me to test injections or anadrol or stack take D-bol one day and anadrol another, but I cannot say for sure because he never clarified it. His good friend was a champion body builder, so I'm not sure who made the recommendation. I do know my trainer started on Winny in the 70's at the age of 17 when he got a guy to buy it for him and his buddy after some stupid shit happened.

sorry but no real experienced vet would reccomend someone a dbol only cycle. sorry

[Arian]

LMAO... damnit man. So bodybuilders are predominantly gay? What kind of crap is that? Now I'm going to have to quit working out or I'll find myself leaving my wife for some buff guy I meet at the gym.

[Chance1826]

Again, sarcasm on my part! I need some humor in my life right now..and I just add it into my posts!

Needles eh.. okay! No issue with needles really..just heard scar tissue or worse can develop.

You can't borrow a diet. You can use the diet for ideas as to how to lay out your diet but you need to start by finding your BMR. After that you can use a diet sample and change the amounts according to your BMR.

There is risk involved in using any AAS and if I lifted what you say you do naturally then I doubt I would even use AAS. You need at least one solid month in learning how to diet before you can even consider AAS. You will probably acheive all your goals naturally with just a good diet. Then if your still bent on doing it, get real frendly with needles or don't touch the stuff...ever. Needles are not really an option they are the only option imo.

[Nooomoto]

LMAO... damnit man. So bodybuilders are predominantly gay? What kind of crap is that? Now I'm going to have to quit working out or I'll find myself leaving my wife for some buff guy I meet at the gym.

They wanna spot you while you squat.

[Chance1826]

Well..I have had my two trainer tell me to different BF's. I;m not sure which is more correct. My strength trainer won't use a caliper because he said he doesn't need one. He does a "pinch test"!

180lbs with a 17% bf and you bench 420. Ya right.

[Nooomoto]

I hate needles with a passion..

No issue with needles really..

LOL...wow...ok