Second Cycle........NEED YOUR ATTENTION PLZZZZZ

[Capebuffalo]

Fair enough lunk...

AI essential considering the dosing? More issues than good in my eyes, keep on hand? Yea sure but not a set rule to start any cycle which seems to be the trend here lately? Opinions will be opinions. PCT being the most wide open for discussion. I work from knowledge of personally handling clients bloods and experimenting on various protocols. So yea personal view "better" than mine accepted but not proven. Lunk where we can agree is your view on the OP's approach! I have your back their fully and am in full agreement. My view in instances like this (with and OP in this attitude vein) is to deliver some type of usable base that will yield successful results and recovery in a safe way based on tried and tested practice. As opposed to saying **** you go and read which they won't do, they will get scared of and will jump on cycle anyway.
I did not include EQ I took it from the OP's initial cycle in the hope that he had researched a compound he wanted to use and included it as such.

I am all for advise. But myself if someone says take this. I will ask why what does it do? Or will look it up so I have knowledge of compounds I am putting into my body. It is called personal responsibility. If something goes wrong, it is now your fault because "I did what he told me to do". If he can ask knowledgeable questions so I know he understands what is going on thats one thing. This is something else

[Capebuffalo]

Cape Buffalo is talking about your initial plan OP...

Yes because you layed out a nice cycle for him. My point is he put for 0 effort. I would love to see his diet.

[mmgearworks]

We agree on that CB.. As stated before, read my previous comments and you can see my attitude towards the issue at hand. I got a response put briefly saying "I don't want to research I want a sound suggestion based on experience" and I delivered just that.

[Lunk1]

Fair enough lunk...

AI essential considering the dosing? More issues than good in my eyes, keep on hand? Yea sure but not a set rule to start any cycle which seems to be the trend here lately? Opinions will be opinions. PCT being the most wide open for discussion. I work from knowledge of personally handling clients bloods and experimenting on various protocols. So yea personal view "better" than mine accepted but not proven. Lunk where we can agree is your view on the OP's approach! I have your back their fully and am in full agreement. My view in instances like this (with and OP in this attitude vein) is to deliver some type of usable base that will yield successful results and recovery in a safe way based on tried and tested practice. As opposed to saying **** you go and read which they won't do, they will get scared of and will jump on cycle anyway.
I did not include EQ I took it from the OP's initial cycle in the hope that he had researched a compound he wanted to use and included it as such.

I understand your approach (understand isn't ageeing with). I would never consider just tossing the OP out on his aas if he didn't understand the informative threads. I think it's important to establish a relationship of sorts with these newbs and to gather all of the facts and give the BEST advise based on the info. Establishing a more personaly tailored cycle vs just correcting their proposed cycle and saying "there ya go have fun"!

In this case for example, since the op has NO real cycle experience, I believe a solid Test only cycle would have been best. I doubt the op will need or see any benifits from EQ but now he is fixed on using it and doesn't know why. Equally (perhaps even more important) would be determining the ops goals and figuring out what can be done to achieve said goals OTHER than just AAS. Perhaps a diet change is in order?

Very few members I have seen (including Cape) have a habit of telling OP's to FUK off! Quite the opposite acctually. They try to break down the problems, tailor the needs for the op and give sound advise based in the info recieved.

Again...I have read a bit and believe your knowledge to be sound but with respect I question if your approach is in the best interest of the individuals posting for advise.

[Parsa]

I have done nothing but takena quick glance at the attitude of this thread. Parsa I highly doubt you are a dumb as you have made yourself out to be. My gut tells me you just want the info handed to you instead of actaully learning for yourself. FINE..you have found someone willing to do that.

My prediction is that this cycle will fail due to you lack of drive to do the work. Your diet and training will fail you because you will not work any harder than you did in this thread.

Does MMGearwoks have good knowledge? YES...I am sure he does, but his approach in helping you has failed to give you the ability to know what you are REALLY messing with,
For example..your now planning to run EQ. Do you know why? Do you know what it will do for you are what it won't do for you? Are you aware of it's anobolic rating?

Are you sure his HCG protocal is the best? Will it work? Sure...(most will suggest 250iu X 2 per week).

He is telling you an AI is NOT necessary! I along with MANY others including Vets and Knowledable Members will tell you it is a must!

My point isn't to bash MMgears advise...it's to show you that doing your own research and making an informed decision is much better than just taking the advise of the first person willing to spoon feed it to you!

He is not spoon feeding! His idea is logical. He says that when sb like Parsa comes and says that im gonna run such cycle, he is pretty sure about the compounds, about his aim and etc. But for example Parsa has arranged the compounds in a wrong way... so lets help him.

[mmgearworks]

I accept that lunk and well said...


I gathered a different attitude from the OP when the members initial pleas to research resulted in a "no I am stupid and I won't" response. So I thought let me just give a sound base that won't go wrong. The OP is on his second cycle after a straight test (trust me that would have been my suggestion but the second cycle expansion of gear use temptations are very tempting in his situation and his response would have been I did that last time) and although such a dose of EQ would be a waste for me personally it will yield EQ results in the OP.

[Lunk1]

He is not spoon feeding! His idea is logical. He says that when sb like Parsa comes and says that im gonna run such cycle, he is pretty sure about the compounds, about his aim and etc. But for example Parsa has arranged the compounds in a wrong way... so lets help him.

Parsa...let me ask you some questions.

What are your goals during this cycle (what are your expectations)?

What has led you to choose EQ for a compound to run with Test?

Any logical reason you would not run another test only cycle?

What were your results from that first cycle?

[Lunk1]

I accept that lunk and well said...


I gathered a different attitude from the OP when the members initial pleas to research resulted in a "no I am stupid and I won't" response. So I thought let me just give a sound base that won't go wrong. The OP is on his second cycle after a straight test (trust me that would have been my suggestion but the second cycle expansion of gear use temptations are very tempting in his situation and his response would have been I did that last time) and although such a dose of EQ would be a waste for me personally it will yield EQ results in the OP.

I believe me, I know where your coming from! Sometimes it is a hair pulling experience trying to "suggest" a cycle that is less than the ones the op's plan to run lol.

Out of curiousity...what EQ results do you believe the OP will "yeild"??

[Capebuffalo]

Parsa...let me ask you some questions.

What are your goals during this cycle (what are your expectations)?

What has led you to choose EQ for a compound to run with Test?

Any logical reason you would not run another test only cycle?

What were your results from that first cycle?

Please list everything you ate yesterday.

[Parsa]

Please show me where I said it was bull shit.

Do I wonder why you increase and decrease your sus250 dosage yes I do.
Do I thing EQ is worthless yes I do.
Do I think running 2 orals in one cycle is too much yes.
Do I wonder where your AI is yes I do.
Do I wonder why in week 9 you use novla
Why you are running 5000 ius of hcg in week 11 and 12 yes
Do i wonder wher clomid and novla pct is Yes

These questions are exactly what i'm looking for...they will help th cycle! Thanks
Question number 1: It is a popular protocol that you start with low dose and then at the pick of you cycle you increase it.(as i have heard and read)
2: EQ is so controversial. Soem people are in favor of but some say they are never gonna cycle without it. What's your idea?
3: one oral(methandione) will be cut in the 4th week and the other one will start. for keeping up gains. Why is that wrong?
4: I'll add arimidex, by the guides recieved!
5: Running nolva and hcg is the pct! If the dosage is improper so plz help

[Parsa]

Parsa...let me ask you some questions.

What are your goals during this cycle (what are your expectations)?

What has led you to choose EQ for a compound to run with Test?

Any logical reason you would not run another test only cycle?

What were your results from that first cycle?

Actually I didnt get a satisfactory result out of a test only cycle so adding a mild compound which has satisfactory results with least side effects came to be part of my plan. And through my searchings i could find EQ the best choice for making lean muscle. Isn't it better than Deca?
The problem was that using it for 8 weeks is waste of time. So i decided to continue using it for 12 weeks.

[Parsa]

Please list everything you ate yesterday.

Please lets come to a conclusion with the cycle first!

[mmgearworks]

Parsa the most you going to get in terms of what you looking for in advise is what i set out for you and yes it is sound advise trust me...
You want some tailoring from me or more concise answers from lunk and CB them you gonna have to lay out your specifics down to the last bite of your diet + bloods + last cycle ins and outs. And show some intent on research from the previous posts and the web.

[Lunk1]

Please lets come to a conclusion with the cycle first!

Parsa...since 80-90% of success with your cycle is based on diet, this is more important than you think. I would venture to guess that this may be a reason that your first Test cycle was not very successful. I REALLY believe that we should concentrate on a SOLID test only cycle with a solid diet. Your EQ will not yield any real results other than perhaps in increase in hunger and an increase in your RBC count.

EQ vs Test only (same results but less $ spent and risks taken with test only)

[Capebuffalo]

I think this is a good thread to read so you know where we are coming from asking about your diet

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...6023-2nd-Cycle

[mmgearworks]

Very good thread and solid posts from CB on there. Defs a read for OP and as mentioned sad reality is that diet and training were the let down on first cycle and not the said cycle (although it wasnt great) or the gear.

[Parsa]

Parsa...since 80-90% of success with your cycle is based on diet, this is more important than you think. I would venture to guess that this may be a reason that your first Test cycle was not very successful. I REALLY believe that we should concentrate on a SOLID test only cycle with a solid diet. Your EQ will not yield any real results other than perhaps in increase in hunger and an increase in your RBC count.

EQ vs Test only (same results but less $ spent and risks taken with test only)

Believe me! I had a very tough diet and very hard days of rocking in the gym! I'm not gonna take risk again; the risk of having no result! that's why i insist on stacking.
You say that EQ is no good... so what is your suggestion? for quality muscle mass without water retention?

[Parsa]

I think this is a good thread to read so you know where we are coming from asking about your diet

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...6023-2nd-Cycle

Thanks for the link BUT...Please lets come to a conclusion with the cycle first!

[Parsa]

Parsa the most you going to get in terms of what you looking for in advise is what i set out for you and yes it is sound advise trust me...
You want some tailoring from me or more concise answers from lunk and CB them you gonna have to lay out your specifics down to the last bite of your diet + bloods + last cycle ins and outs. And show some intent on research from the previous posts and the web.

Yes bro im gonna run that 99%
But still im in a dilemma with EQ! not because of the posts that say there is no use in EQ. I had this hesitation before.

[mmgearworks]

Then climb onto a test only cycle bro? Or better yet hit the gym and your diet and make some more natural gains while you study and come to a more sound decision?

[champ14]

No sex while on cycle and that includes no masturbation!!!!!!! I'm kidding. Ur libido is gonna go up a lot. Actually let me do this Barney style. U will get more horny more often from the test. I also don't understand the 1,000 iu's of hcg. Can someone clarify that? I think it's better off to do 250 twice a week and go from there

[mmgearworks]

Have had success both with myself and with my clients using HCG in a condensed period at a dose of that level in the weeks post cycle and before PCT when serm use commences.... PCT window.
Noticeably more effective recovery of the HPTA visible in blood work pre and post PCT using this protocol as opposed to larger single doses or smaller doses. Doses are however dependent on the user as with all drugs and my sweet spot in this protocol is on the 1500iu mark for complete HPTA regeneration. But that can change based on shut down and compounds used. The only fixed rule in PCT is what your blood work dictates is required.

[Parsa]

Then climb onto a test only cycle bro? Or better yet hit the gym and your diet and make some more natural gains while you study and come to a more sound decision?

No not a test only cycle again:-D Whatever i read and search again i find EQ the choice. there are other options like tren, deca and mastron but not apropriate for the second cycle