Insulin THAT much of a game changers?

[Windex]

Much respect and not being combative. I read it as GH lifting the cloud that surrounds slin. He does make several good points. However, I do think his description makes it seem to not be a substance that can hurt you and can be used by anyone. My thought is it is not for everyone. It needs to be researched and the pros and cons weighed before use.

Absolutely. I acknowledge that insulin has a time and place with benefits but I don't think it can be grouped in the same category as other anabolics or GH.

[Capebuffalo]

Absolutely. I acknowledge that insulin has a time and place with benefits but I don't think it can be grouped in the same category as other anabolics or GH.

Yes. I had buddies that competed heavy and moved into super heavy. Every week they would have a slin story. I had to pull over on the side of the road and my girlfriend had to run to the gas station and back with a candy bar. I was at home and she had to pour apple juice in my mouth. Now it did get them the size they needed but it came with a risk.

That’s why I’m reading asking questions and starting slow. And keeping sweets in the truck and in my desk.

[GearHeaded]

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Your post comes off as abrasive by calling out everyone in the thread who chose against using slin.

never meant to be abrasive towards anyone. on the other hand, I will say that plenty of guys that are simply "choosing against insulin" , are choosing to talk shit , fear monger, and bad mouth insulin and those that use it.

thats just an observation not an accusation.

I'm of the 'opinion' that when someone choses not to use or engage in the use of a certain substance, for example lets say you don't drink Pepsi, well then you should probably just ignore 'Pepsi' talk and chat all together.
IF you have had a bad experience drinking Pepsi at some time in your life and THEN you want to talk about it, I understand that . but if you have zero experience drinking Pepsi yourself then you should probably leave the subject alone and chat about things you do like or engage in (say Coca-Cola for example).

Randomly jumping on a Pepsi drinkers case out of the blue when your not one yourself, seems more like a personal attack then anything else and probably has very little to do with that persons actual use or beliefs about Pepsi.


as for your repossess in bold. they all are pointless , drama based, and argumentative. I don't wish to engage you in your 'feelings' or 'beliefs' but only straight facts about AAS use or bodybuilding so I won't respond to any of them other then the one that is reasonable and not based on your emotions

So by this statement, Insulin also has fewer side effects than Test Suspension as a preworkout.

of course. I stated bluntly, IF insulin is used 'properly' and dosed properly, it is the most side effect free drug a bodybuilder uses. yes less side effects then Test suspension pre-workout .

[Capebuffalo]

never meant to be abrasive towards anyone. on the other hand, I will say that plenty of guys that are simply "choosing against insulin" , are choosing to talk shit , fear monger, and bad mouth insulin and those that use it.

thats just an observation not an accusation.

I'm of the 'opinion' that when someone choses not to use or engage in the use of a certain substance, for example lets say you don't drink Pepsi, well then you should probably just ignore 'Pepsi' talk and chat all together.
IF you have had a bad experience drinking Pepsi at some time in your life and THEN you want to talk about it, I understand that . but if you have zero experience drinking Pepsi yourself then you should probably leave the subject alone and chat about things you do like or engage in (say Coca-Cola for example).

Randomly jumping on a Pepsi drinkers case out of the blue when your not one yourself, seems more like a personal attack then anything else and probably has very little to do with that persons actual use or beliefs about Pepsi.


as for your repossess in bold. they all are pointless , drama based, and argumentative. I don't wish to engage you in your 'feelings' or 'beliefs' but only straight facts about AAS use or bodybuilding so I won't respond to any of them other then the one that is reasonable and not based on your emotions



of course. I stated bluntly, IF insulin is used 'properly' and dosed properly, it is the most side effect free drug a bodybuilder uses. yes less side effects then Test suspension pre-workout .

I hate Pepsi.

[Capebuffalo]

@GH. We have discussed this a little but let me ask this. I get to the gym at 7:30 am. An hour work out is long for me. I’m somewhere around 45 min. That being said is there a benefit of pre workout slin for that short workout period followed by post workout slin? If I’m running 5ius pre and post could I just run 10 ius post and get the same results? I know your workouts are about 1.5 hrs so I can see the benefit of pre and post. But mine being 1/2 that is the a measurable benefit?

[GearHeaded]

@GH. We have discussed this a little but let me ask this. I get to the gym at 7:30 am. An hour work out is long for me. I’m somewhere around 45 min. That being said is there a benefit of pre workout slin for that short workout period followed by post workout slin? If I’m running 5ius pre and post could I just run 10 ius post and get the same results? I know your workouts are about 1.5 hrs so I can see the benefit of pre and post. But mine being 1/2 that is the a measurable benefit?

well if your at the gym at 7:30am I'm guessing that you do not have a ton of nutrition in you, perhaps just breakfast ?
IF that is the case then out of pure convenience and to lower the risk of going hypo during your workout then taking your 10iu total dose post workout makes sense. You'll get plenty out of that.

however, if getting even the smallest amount of 'more gains' is the top priority for you I'd still continue with the pre and post workout slin use. Also being your using a regular acting slin. by taking that pre-workout its really not coming into play until about 20-30 mins into your workout after you've had time to begin drinking your intra workout nutrition and saturate the blood with the nutrients that the slin will begin driving into cells where the blood flow is being directed (also why some guys only use insulin pre-workout for their weak body part days).

Plus by time your done with that workout your insulin will have been fully kicked in and nutrients taken in and this will blunt the normal "intra workout and post workout cortisol spike". so you won't get (or at least limit) that catabolic effect that could happen otherwise when training.

Then when your done and your ready to take in more nutrients via your post workout meal your adding more insulin (and again because your adding more nutrition). IF your in a position where you can get in a good post workout meal it makes sense to go ahead and use a bit more insulin to drive those nutrients.. people who are on the go and may not be able to do this post workout don't have that advantage.
so I'd just say take advantage of it if its convenient for you.

[Capebuffalo]

well if your at the gym at 7:30am I'm guessing that you do not have a ton of nutrition in you, perhaps just breakfast ?
IF that is the case then out of pure convenience and to lower the risk of going hypo during your workout then taking your 10iu total dose post workout makes sense. You'll get plenty out of that.

however, if getting even the smallest amount of 'more gains' is the top priority for you I'd still continue with the pre and post workout slin use. Also being your using a regular acting slin. by taking that pre-workout its really not coming into play until about 20-30 mins into your workout after you've had time to begin drinking your intra workout nutrition and saturate the blood with the nutrients that the slin will begin driving into cells where the blood flow is being directed (also why some guys only use insulin pre-workout for their weak body part days).

Plus by time your done with that workout your insulin will have been fully kicked in and nutrients taken in and this will blunt the normal "intra workout and post workout cortisol spike". so you won't get (or at least limit) that catabolic effect that could happen otherwise when training.

Then when your done and your ready to take in more nutrients via your post workout meal your adding more insulin (and again because your adding more nutrition). IF your in a position where you can get in a good post workout meal it makes sense to go ahead and use a bit more insulin to drive those nutrients.. people who are on the go and may not be able to do this post workout don't have that advantage.
so I'd just say take advantage of it if its convenient for you.

Prior to getting to the gym I mix 10 egg whites 8 oz fruit smoothie and 2 packs instant grits and drink it. About 65 gr of carbs there.
I just didn’t know if I was getting any benefit from the pre. Sounds like I am. So 5 ius pre and 10 ius post.

[charger69]

Cape- I am not GH nor do I pretend to know as much however the thing you will need to watch out for is the doubling up of the dose (pre and Post) in your body. I take 10 before and 10 after. 15 on leg days however this is a little tricky because the pre is still active when I am taking the post.


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[Capebuffalo]

Cape- I am not GH nor do I pretend to know as much however the thing you will need to watch out for is the doubling up of the dose (pre and Post) in your body. I take 10 before and 10 after. 15 on leg days however this is a little tricky because the pre is still active when I am taking the post.


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Oh yeah. We discussed the overlap. I’m just wondering if the 45 min would make a difference. Because isn’t it 15-20 after injection before it starts working?

[charger69]

Oh yeah. We discussed the overlap. I’m just wondering if the 45 min would make a difference. Because isn’t it 15-20 after injection before it starts working?

It depends on what type you use. I use the Novalin R


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[Capebuffalo]

It depends on what type you use. I use the Novalin R


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That’s what I’m using.

[Obs]

I like magic stars (luck charms) for carbs btw...



I know some crazy mofos in regards to slin running lantus and rapid blends. It would kill my ass dead. My metabolism wasn't set up for that. I shred carbs too quickly. Maybe a glucose IV drip and I could.

[GearHeaded]

if its not convenient to do pre and post workout injections.. then taking in one large bolus dose of slin after you've gotten in plenty of nutrition from your intra workout nutrition and post workout meal, makes sense.

you can use more insulin this way , then you'd be able to use pre workout

[tarmyg]

GH,

I mentioned before a thread, similar to the "My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle", would be extremely useful and could help a lot of newbies doing it in a safe manner without having to guess too much. Just an idea!

[Obs]

I think certain members need to look at their post history all the way to the beginning.
If you have never said compliment to another member and your count is in the thousands....
You should probably go somewhere else imo. Smart is great, but it doesnt cure cocksucker.

[Capebuffalo]

I think certain members need to look at their post history all the way to the beginning.
If you have never said compliment to another member and your count is in the thousands....
You should probably go somewhere else imo. Smart is great, but it doesnt cure cocksucker.

Look damn it I may resemble those remarks. Btw you’re handsome. There’s your compliment for the day.

[Obs]

Look damn it I may resemble those remarks. Btw you’re handsome. There’s your compliment for the day.

Bout time.
Dont let the day wear on like that next time.

[Capebuffalo]

Bout time.
Dont let the day wear on like that next time.

Sorry sir

[charger69]

I think certain members need to look at their post history all the way to the beginning.
If you have never said compliment to another member and your count is in the thousands....
You should probably go somewhere else imo. Smart is great, but it doesnt cure cocksucker.

You are the devil and a crazy mofo.
My first compliment.


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[Obs]

You are the devil and a crazy mofo.
My first compliment.


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Sanky

[Capebuffalo]

Ok. 5ius pre and 5ius post yesterday and today. Yesterday got a little shaky at about the 2.5 hr mark. Hit carbs and was fine.
Today no issue. How long would you say before I ramp up my post dose?

[GearHeaded]

Ok. 5ius pre and 5ius post yesterday and today. Yesterday got a little shaky at about the 2.5 hr mark. Hit carbs and was fine.
Today no issue. How long would you say before I ramp up my post dose?

well at about the 2.5 hour mark is when your next sold meal should be coming. so that timing sounds about right..

as for when to begin increasing dosage--

thats going to depend on where your at with your current 'tolerance' (insulin sensitivity really) - you should calculate where your currently at, and about how many carbs you need per IU of insulin. once you have that number you can adjust the insulin dosage upwards based on how many carbs your going to be able to take in to accommodate that new dosage.

BE aware. This number changes. its not set in stone. if you been bulking for awhile the number may go way down, if your coming off a cut the number may be super high.

right now I need about 4 grams of carbs for every one IU of insulin I take. but there have been times I've needed double the amount of carbs (coming off a mini cut).

try to get that number figured out in the ball park at least and see where your at (using your glucose meter is really the only reliable method). using low glycemic slow digesting carbs will make dialing that in much more difficult. fast acting high glycemic carbs are best

once you have a baseline established, then work your dosage up slowly and add in the required grams of carbs

[Capebuffalo]

well at about the 2.5 hour mark is when your next sold meal should be coming. so that timing sounds about right..

as for when to begin increasing dosage--

thats going to depend on where your at with your current 'tolerance' (insulin sensitivity really) - you should calculate where your currently at, and about how many carbs you need per IU of insulin. once you have that number you can adjust the insulin dosage upwards based on how many carbs your going to be able to take in to accommodate that new dosage.

BE aware. This number changes. its not set in stone. if you been bulking for awhile the number may go way down, if your coming off a cut the number may be super high.

right now I need about 4 grams of carbs for every one IU of insulin I take. but there have been times I've needed double the amount of carbs (coming off a mini cut).

try to get that number figured out in the ball park at least and see where your at (using your glucose meter is really the only reliable method). using low glycemic slow digesting carbs will make dialing that in much more difficult. fast acting high glycemic carbs are best

once you have a baseline established, then work your dosage up slowly and add in the required grams of carbs

Ok. Got it. Will start working on my baseline

[Capebuffalo]

Ok. Got it. Will start working on my baseline

Too few carbs bad. But are too many carbs also bad?

[GearHeaded]

Too few carbs bad. But are too many carbs also bad?

yes but only if your on some sort of cut or diet where carb consumption is fixed for the day.. you don't want to go over your set macros just to 'feed the insulin' , instead make your insulin use fit your macros.

UNLESS your goal is just overall growth. then the opposite, the more carbs you can keep feeding the insulin , and the more you raise the dose, and again the more you increase the carbs, then the more you can grow (within reason) . thats why see monsters taking 70+iu of slin a day and 800g of carbs. obsessed with continuing to grow

[charger69]

Haiku’s and slin all in the same thread! LMAO!

Cape- you can also use slin to cut 2-3 IU’s before cardio. No additional carbs. It will lower your blood sugar levels but not send you into hypo.


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[Capebuffalo]

Haiku’s and slin all in the same thread! LMAO!

Cape- you can also use slin to cut 2-3 IU’s before cardio. No additional carbs. It will lower your blood sugar levels but not send you into hypo.


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Man you know I don’t do cardio. I do need to eat right now though.

[charger69]

Man you know I don’t do cardio. I do need to eat right now though.

I’ll get you there. LOL

Yes, diet is important on slin.


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[Obs]

Man you know I don’t do cardio. I do need to eat right now though.

Thats the last line of the haiku.

Leaves are falling...
I am bulking.
Cardio

[Capebuffalo]

Leaves are falling...
I am bulking.
Cardio
Myth
Muscle
Growth

[Capebuffalo]

Why do I get so sleepy at about the 3.5 hr mark?

[GearHeaded]

Why do I get so sleepy at about the 3.5 hr mark?

check your blood sugar at this time.. also its pretty common for people to get drowsy after consuming a large amount of carbs for several hours.
but I'm curious what your post perineal blood glucose levels are at this time

[Capebuffalo]

check your blood sugar at this time.. also its pretty common for people to get drowsy after consuming a large amount of carbs for several hours.
but I'm curious what your post perineal blood glucose levels are at this time

Well GH 3.5 hr mark glucose level is 116.

[GearHeaded]

Well GH 3.5 hr mark glucose level is 116.

ok so your 3.5 hours post injection of 5iu ? when was your last meal and what was it and how much ?

[Capebuffalo]

ok so your 3.5 hours post injection of 5iu ? when was your last meal and what was it and how much ?

No. 7:30 am 5 iu. Worked out. 8 am 10 iu. Last meal was a shake at 10:30. Carbs 87.5 protien 30 fat 4 Cals 505

[Couchlockd]

Why do I get so sleepy at about the 3.5 hr mark?

Hey cape I couldn't find the thread, but I was thinking about your test p issues.

Have you ever tried test phenyl prop? (TPP)

[Capebuffalo]

Hey cape I couldn't find the thread, but I was thinking about your test p issues.

Have you ever tried test phenyl prop? (TPP)

No. I don’t think I have.

[Couchlockd]

No. I don’t think I have.

Try it out it's 2-3 day half life. Prop is 1-1.5

[Capebuffalo]

Try it out it's 2-3 day half life. Prop is 1-1.5

Thx. I’ll see what I can find.

[tarmyg]

Can you run an insulin cycle while on a ketogenic diet?