Who has experience with SEO's?

[AlphaMindz]

What are your experiences with using SEO's for competition or photo shoots...?

And which do you prefer using, the old school approach using oil based products or the new school shit using hyaluronic acid??

This post isn't asking everyone's opinions on SEO's as that can make for a good conversation for sure, but with this post I'm trying to get feedback from you guys who compete or model and use SEO's to balance out certain genetic weak points or to bring up a lagging body part for a comp or photo shoot.

I'm interested to hear the pro's and cons of using these products correctly and any tips or techniques you've learned along the way..Thanks in advance!

[AlphaMindz]

Bump for the pro's and amateur competitors out there, also coaches who run SEO's with their clients..

[GearHeaded]

your going to get faster and more pronounced results using an oil based SEO . not the old school synthol by the way..there an new formulations that require much less oil but act more to 'inflame' the muscle and provide added blood flow and other growth factors.
this would be something like an "amp posing oil" or a "synthatek posing oil" .. you kinda get an old school Nolatel effect (which guys used pre contest) but with the added benefit of the oil holding its basis for a good several months providing actual fullness.

hylaronic acid is NOT going to be able to accomplish these more rapid and steady appearance of gains like the above mentioned oils. its mainly going to provide a more pronounced 'pump' feeling for a few days with its ability to bring in lots and lots of water into the muscle (which again only lasts a few days) . now sure, if you keep injecting hyaluronic acid day after day for weeks on end, you'll get some actual growth . but its not near as effective as the newer oils in regards to a bit more permanent size.
and when you do the math $ cost, the oil is way way more bang for your buck. unless again you just after a temporary couple day pump

so take your pick.. if your going to do a photo shoot and want an appearance of a 'pump' without actually having to pump up that much. then hyalaruonic acid will work . IF you want rapid gains (ie, inch to your arms) that are going to stick with you can give you that fullness for months, then go with the oils (again, I'm not talking synthol here).


I personally do not have my base back where I would need to use any of these products currently . however, I have used them all (as experimentation is what I like to do , and I don't like to recommend protocols to guys that I haven't dabbled with myself).

I've gotten the most pronounced effects with the amp posing oil. Synthatek syntherol is a close close second. and the Mediform hyaluronic acid I personally wouldn't bother with again (temporary pump enhancement isn't what I personally would need)

[AlphaMindz]

Thanks brother had a feeling you'd be the first one to reply to this lol I appreciate your feedback.

I agree with what you're saying in terms of the oils being more effective at accomplishing permanent gains as certain synthol products have science backing them. The glycoproteins in synovial fluid seems to really volumize the muscle beautifully and stretch the fascia (especially pre-workout) which is an incredible feeling when you get a pump in that muscle. The gains it produces are very noticeable, especially in smaller muscles. Rounder and fuller muscle bellies.

I've never used the hyaluronic acid products but from what I've heard about them they bascially just pull a ton of water into the muscle which I guess would also produce a great pump but I feel like it would make the muscle look puffy and soft..? I dont know anyone personally who has used the water based products, but I know many people who have used synthol over the years.

So I'm more apt to stick with what's tried and true and personally seen work for people I know and trust. Trick is HOW evenly it's injected and gauging how much oil to put in there as no protocol can tell someone exactly how much to use...It's going to be different for everyone so one has to use discretion and really educate themselves on how to use properly, but IF used properly I feel like it's a game changer!

I would've loved to try Escicline or Nolatol like the guys in the 90's had access to. I've heard well informed people say that escicline is partially responsible for those full muscle-bellied classic physique's of the 90's like Flex Wheeler and Kevin Levrone, both of which have admitted to using Escicline, but to what extent is always the mystery lol.

The part where you lost me is when you categorized some SEO's as synthol and others as not to be confused with synthol... In my understanding, when Chris Clark developed the first SEO product and named it "synthol" he got a call from a big pharma company (can't think of the name, it might be Bristol-meyers Squibb) claiming ownership rights to the Synthol name so he changed it to "Synthosizze" and then later also developed "Painless Pumps". So SEO's and synthol are one in the same, no..? What product are you referring to that's oil based that you don't consider synthol?

There's so much mystery surrounding this topic which is ironic to me cause guys will admit to injecting a hormone made for cattle, take pills made for women with breast cancer, and all sorts of other shit, BUT when it comes to site enhancement most people vehemently deny utilizing that as a tool lol. Why, I have no clue!

I guess because so many people are close minded and simply don't have all the facts before voicing their opinions, and before we know it mainstream media will be running around saying bodybuilding is easy it's all steroids and synthol lol and completely disregard how incredibly difficult it is to develop a quality physique at a competitive level...Well, some could argue that mainstream opinion pretty much already believes that lol.

Most people probably think that the shit those guys in Brazil are using is synthol lol. Just to clarify guys, what those dudes are using to make their muscles look like balloons is NOT synthol! Those guys are injecting tons and tons of cheap mineral oil! Often times it's not even sterile and these guys get massive infections.. So misguided IMO, and a completely different thing than adding a little volume and shape to an ALREADY developed muscle. It's so easy to lump everyone together so I'm making the distinction here so at least WE are all on the same page on this forum!

But going back to the real tried and true products, do you have any techniques or tips for using SEO's that have worked well for you or your clients?

Note: Because there is so much judgement surrounding this topic I was gonna PM you about this, but then decided I'd be a hypocrite if I "hid" from the topic myself PLUS I want other people to benefit from this conversation.

[GearHeaded]

just real quick .. what I meant by some of these current products NOT considering themselves as 'synthol' per se , is things like Amp Posing is a proprietary blended product (when you inject it its as thin as water and not oil) that is designed to 'enhance' things similar to say synthol and Nolotol combined in one . perhaps its all just marketing idk. also things like Mediform, they specifically say they are not selling synthol (most their products are hylaronic based I think). so guess just saying some of these current products are trying to separate themselves from the term "synthol" because of either their product blend itself, or again perhaps just marketing .

[AlphaMindz]

just real quick .. what I meant by some of these current products NOT considering themselves as 'synthol' per se , is things like Amp Posing is a proprietary blended product (when you inject it its as thin as water and not oil) that is designed to 'enhance' things similar to say synthol and Nolotol combined in one . perhaps its all just marketing idk. also things like Mediform, they specifically say they are not selling synthol (most their products are hylaronic based I think). so guess just saying some of these current products are trying to separate themselves from the term "synthol" because of either their product blend itself, or again perhaps just marketing .

Oh ok I'm not familiar with that product so def something to check out. If there's something out there that isn't so damn thick then that would def be something to look into cause I don't like the idea of having to repeatedly use 25g pins to inject in smaller muscles like bi's, tri's, and even delts over time cause of the scar tissue build up. If there's a much thinner product available that can be injected with a 29-31g pin that would def be something to look into!

GH do you have any techniques for SEO injection or placement that you can share? Any strategies you've developed or come across that you've used personally or with clients that has made a notable difference in your/their physique.

Anyone else out there with experience using SEO's please feel free to jump in on discussion!

[GearHeaded]

note: it helps to flex the muscle your planning on pinning, and then pick a spot to inject while its flexed (you can use a pen to make a mark) AND then relax the muscle and inject that spot .

its not like gear,, its very important you get the oil in the area of the muscle you want it and not just anywhere.

[GearHeaded]

the stuff I've used is very thin. I'd usually inject 3-6cc at one time (not in one place) so it makes sense to use a 3cc syringe, and all I have for those is 25g pins. so thats what I used.. but I'm pretty confident it will flow though a 29g slin pin no problem.

before I hit the gym tonight I'll back load a couple slin pins with it and hit my biceps and get back to you on how that went.


as for protocols. keep in mind I've only ran these products on my self to obtain first hand 'knowledge' . I've not ran this stuff for years like I have gear. so my first hand protocols are limited. but I'll share what I've picked up.

with these newer SEOs you don't need a ton of oil. just 1-1.5cc per spot will do. so with biceps for example, you'll pick a spot on your mid lower outer head, your upper outer head, your mid lower inner head, your upper inner head. so you have 4 spots per bicep. do NOT do all 4 at once in one sitting . only do two. so I would do my mid lower outer head, and then my upper inner head . then two days later I would do my upper outer head, and the lower inner head.. then two days later go back to what I did first. again each injection is only 1 - 1.5 cc each (you hear of guys doing a loading phase of like 3cc each injection ,, not needed).

I would do this pre workout , but NOT specifically on bicep training day. I would pin the biceps, then hit the gym and do very light pump work for my biceps and then go do my normal routine. you don't want to train hard and heavy with fresh oil in your arms (if you have too much oil in there, plus your training with heavy weight with lots of load and a huge pump in your arms, your more likely to tear a muscle .. thats also why you don't want to do a loading phase with too much oil). I know a guy who pinned 3cc in one spot in his chest right before his chest workout and he tore his pec.

so then you just keep doing this and watch your arms put on an extra inch or two over a couple months. then take a break.

you can also hit your upper pecs. two spots, upper inner and upper outer. I've also hit my outer tricep (horseshoe).


again be aware this is just me experimenting with the process to gain knowledge. I've not done a full on SEO protocol on myself long term.. I just injected enough over a couple weeks to get an idea and see the experience. once I put on some more muscle and a stronger base then I will implement a more "official" protocol and not just dabble with it.

before getting started I picked the brain about it of a former coach I had that has a ton more competitive bodybuilding clients world wide that use SEO then I have the capacity for.. so I got the basics from him

[Ashop]

I've used it myself and with clients who compete. When used CORRECTLY it can really make a difference in appearance.
I used it on my biceps and it really evened them out. Its all about small amounts strategically placed in the right areas.

[Obs]

I've used it myself and with clients who compete. When used CORRECTLY it can really make a difference in appearance.
I used it on my biceps and it really evened them out. Its all about small amounts strategically placed in the right areas.

Bitch

[AlphaMindz]

Bitch

: Obs chasing Ashop

[Obs]

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[AlphaMindz]

You should change your avatar shit bag. I will change mine maybe.

Lookin' big Obs!

[AlphaMindz]

Lookin' big Obs!

I didn't wanna hijack the thread by askin, but just realized its my thread lol so I'm gonna ask....Obs what are you running atm you're lookin pretty big dude!?

[Obs]

I didn't wanna hijack the thread by askin, but just realized its my thread lol so I'm gonna ask....Obs what are you running atm you're lookin pretty big dude!?

Thanks man you too.

Running trt atm.
Down about 10 lbs from there.
Got to 238 and my life took a shit.
Got test tren and deca on the way.
Gonna play with eq too.

What got me thus far was slin tren and test

[fiddlesticks]

Do the greg valentino thing and just put 10cc of test into your arms lol

[AlphaMindz]

Do the greg valentino thing and just put 10cc of test into your arms lol

Yup a lot of people think he was using synthol but the crazy bastard was using gear AS synthol lmao

[fiddlesticks]

Yup a lot of people think he was using synthol but the crazy bastard was using gear AS synthol lmao

Dude it blows my fucking mind people don't believe that.

[Obs]

Do the greg valentino thing and just put 10cc of test into your arms lol

That guy is a total liar.
Everywhere I have put high doses of gear the muscle gets wavy/grainy and even misshapen.
Valentino is just a big round flab.
Looks like he sewed fatty asses on his arms.

[fiddlesticks]

That guy is a total liar.
Everywhere I have put high doses of gear the muscle gets wavy/grainy and even misshapen.
Valentino is just a big round flab.
Looks like he sewed fatty asses on his arms.

Dude gregs arms were the most mishapen alien looking shit ive ever seen lmao, looked like popeye in reverse

[Chrisp83TRT]

That guy is a total liar.
Everywhere I have put high doses of gear the muscle gets wavy/grainy and even misshapen.
Valentino is just a big round flab.
Looks like he sewed fatty asses on his arms.

I agree ,

I feel he was using that garbage guys use to beef up muscles and it looks stupid.

I've met him back in my clubbing days and his arms looked very silly

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[Family_guy]

Do the greg valentino thing and just put 10cc of test into your arms lol

I think Gregg Valentino is full of crap when he said that he never used synthol or other SEOs. It’s crazy that these guys can’t admit this but they’ll admit they used a ton of gear....makes no sense

[Couchlockd]

I think Gregg Valentino is full of crap when he said that he never used synthol or other SEOs. It’s crazy that these guys can’t admit this but they’ll admit they used a ton of gear....makes no sense

Half truths make people believe bullshit.

Like man I had weed and coke when they pulled me over, but not heroin.

It's that logic that compells them to admit some fucked up stuff to convince they weren't 110% fucked up.

But I do believe Greg, ever see the video of him lancing that shit in his bathroom bending 18g needles?

It's freaking brutal.

I'mma find s link



2:25 is were the action is

[Family_guy]

Half truths make people believe bullshit.

Like man I had weed and coke when they pulled me over, but not heroin.

It's that logic that compells them to admit some fucked up stuff to convince they weren't 110% fucked up.

But I do believe Greg, ever see the video of him lancing that shit in his bathroom bending 18g needles?

It's freaking brutal.

I'mma find s link



2:25 is were the action is

Ya I remember seeing his documentary on TLC like 10 years ago and I think they had that same footage in there. Either way whether he did or didn’t the had some crazy arms and not in an aesthetically pleasing way

[AlphaMindz]

Do the greg valentino thing and just put 10cc of test into your arms lol

You must've seen the same interview I did cause I believed him when he said he didn't use actual synthol but instead was pushing 10ml bottles of test and EQ into his arms lol. As if it even fuckin matters WHAT he was pumping into those crazy lookin deformed arms! Point is he took it WAY too far and has been trying to convince people it wasn't synthol.....like it fuckin matters lmao. Always thought it was funny how angry he gets about the synthol accusations lol.

[Couchlockd]

Even he sitting there "oh man, that's really fucked up"

Haha he's a fucking maniac.

[Obs]

Even he sitting there "oh man, that's really fucked up"

Haha he's a fucking maniac.

No he is Italian.

"All this blood and shit everywhere... FORGEDDABOUDIT!"

[Chrisp83TRT]

Synthol *


...wow lol

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[fiddlesticks]

Insulin is disgustingly effective not only at building muscle but filling out, that component would be amazing for physique

[fiddlesticks]

Just always have some candy or something personally i like twizzlers

[Couchlockd]

Got them novalog pens deals.
Got a few 10ml vials too.

[Obs]

Got them novalog pens deals.
Got a few 10ml vials too.

I need. Bad. Soon.

[Obs]

Got them novalog pens deals.
Got a few 10ml vials too.

I still got plentiful tips for pen.
Would love three more. Would save me so much time in the end