Originally Posted by Flagg
LOL. Im with u on this one then. It makes more sense than the big bang anyhow..lol
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LOL. Im with u on this one then. It makes more sense than the big bang anyhow..lol
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Somewhere I read that 20yrs ago only 7% of the USA didn't believe in a god and now it's 15%. so it looks like Christianity is loosing people slowly but surely. I wonder if it's gonna b 30% in another 20yrs. Anyways, self education(my belief) is christianitys wost enemy.
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Im relatively optimistic about the human race in the longterm, because I don't think it's possible for us to stay this stupid forever. Some of us will try and try very hard naturally but I think eventually we'll involve into something a bit more intelligent, a bit more compassionate, something not afraid of its own shadow or something that has such a low opinion of itself, and when that happens, religion will hopefully die a natural death. Of acute embarrassment.
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To peteroy01
This thread is about evolution...
But you are correct, religions are losing power day after day, fortunately.
Christianity is, since a few centuries, the most powerful one so it's normal it suffers the highest decline.
Last edited by BJJ; 10-08-2009 at 08:24 AM.
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Agreed.
The problem is, we won't be there to applaude.
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Or will we? Maybe independant thinking will snowball and we will b the ones looking at people with crazy eyes because they believe in god. The evolution of human thought
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yeah, its just a matter of time before christianity to pass. Just like every other religion.... with science/technological advances, these fairy tales get stomped on. Just like the indians thought the sun was a god, and there was a rain god, etc, etc... now we look at them like wow look at those crazy ****s! lol and thats how people in the future will look back on christians nowadays.
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Whatever bro, keep on drinking your jesus juice...
There may be fairies at the bottom of the garden. There is no evidence for it, but you can't prove that there aren't any, so shouldn't we be agnostic with respect to fairies?
mmmmmm...jesus juice
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Dont you just love the brits....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5RCxD8IKDQ
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Richard Dawkins is brilliant, and if you like him check out Christopher Hitchens and Pat Condells views on religion
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Hes a stud,
Lets say we are wrong,well lets see what richard says about this,LOL.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnIHUtt6Yxc&NR=1
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haha that was great, and so true!
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I've said this over and over again, Muslims are only muslims because of where they were born, christians are only christians because of where they were born...you know if the three main religions born of the children of Abraham all believed their three religions to be the same it would give it slightly more credibility. They dont. They believe theirs is true and the others are false. And all because of where they were born.
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Sure, it's purely geographical coincidence.
Because no one in the history of the world has ever converted from one religion to another.
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I dont agree 100% on your statement D7M. Let me tell you why, when my mom met my stepdad (jew) it took her around 5 years or longer to convert to Judaism. She had to attend hundreds upon hundreds of seminars and stuff at the Shul, and only after that she was able to say that she is a jew. Maybe im looking in it in the wrong context but im just saying..
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OK here is one for you bible thumpers (anyone still out there?) If you need something to lift your spirits.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCdZwitrNoY
I watched it. I think I just threw up in my mouth. LOL That is just SOOoooo sweet, and fake. LOL
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Ok, but she still converted.[/b]
I dont agree 100% on your statement D7M. Let me tell you why, when my mom met my stepdad (jew) it took her around 5 years or longer to convert to Judaism. She had to attend hundreds upon hundreds of seminars and stuff at the Shul, and only after that she was able to say that she is a jew. Maybe im looking in it in the wrong context but im just saying..
My point is just that one can't really say (like the Dawkins clip above), that the over-riding or even sole reason for someone being one religion over another is geographical coincidence, simply because one can point to numerous counter examples where someone has been raised in a certain religious tradition and subsequently converted.
Shit, even one of my family members (who was raised Christian) became Muslim a few years ago.
I agree, that was pretty freakin gay (no offense, DSM
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Ok, but she still converted.
My point is just that one can't really say (like the Dawkins clip above), that the over-riding or even sole reason for someone being one religion over another is geographical coincidence, simply because one can point to numerous counter examples where someone has been raised in a certain religious tradition and subsequently converted.
Shit, even one of my family members (who was raised Christian) became Muslim a few years ago.
I agree, that was pretty freakin gay (no offense, DSM
I'd be interested to see some empirical demographic data of the percentage of people in certain religion dominated areas of the world that convert to something else entirely. Infact thats what im just going to do.
Syria: Muslim 87% (Sunnis account for 74% of the total,[69] while the remaining 13% are Alawite, Twelvers, and Ismailis combined[69]), Druze 3%,[69] Christian 10%[69] (majority Greek Orthodox, other Christian include Greek Catholic, Protestants and other various denominations).
USA: According to a 2007 survey, 78.4% of adults identified themselves as Christian,[140] down from 86.4% in 1990.[141] Protestant denominations accounted for 51.3%, while Roman Catholicism, at 23.9%, was the largest individual denomination. The study categorizes white evangelicals, 26.3% of the population, as the country's largest religious cohort;[140] another study estimates evangelicals of all races at 30–35%.[142] The total reporting non-Christian religions in 2007 was 4.7%, up from 3.3% in 1990.[141] The leading non-Christian faiths were Judaism (1.7%), Buddhism (0.7%), Islam (0.6%), Hinduism (0.4%), and Unitarian Universalism (0.3%).
Ireland: Ireland's largest religious group is Christianity, of which the largest denomination is the Catholic Church (over 73% for the entire island, and about 86.8%[113] for the Republic), and most of the rest of the population adhere to one of the various Protestant denominations. The largest is the Anglican Church of Ireland. The Irish Muslim community is growing, mostly through increased immigration (see Islam in Ireland). The island also has a small Jewish community (see History of the Jews in Ireland). Over 4% of the Republic's population describe themselves as of no religion.
Italy: Roman Catholicism is by far the largest religion in the country, although the Catholic Church is no longer officially the state religion. Fully 87.8% of Italians identified themselves as Roman Catholic,[44] although only about one-third of these described themselves as active members (36.8%). Other Christian groups in Italy include more than 700,000 Eastern Orthodox Christians including 180,000 Greek Orthodox,[45] 550,000 Pentecostals and Evangelicals (0.8%), of whom 400,000 are members of the Assemblies of God, 235,685 Jehovah's Witnesses (0.4%),[46] 30,000 Waldensians,[47] 25,000 Seventh-day Adventists, 22,000 Mormons, 15,000 Baptists (plus some 5,000 Free Baptists), 7,000 Lutherans, 4,000 Methodists (affiliated with the Waldensian Church)
Egypt: Religion in Egypt controls many aspects of social life and is endorsed by law. Egypt is predominantly Muslim, with Muslims comprising between 80% and 90% of a population of around 80 million Egyptians[72][73][74][75][76][77][78] Almost the entirety of Egypt's Muslims are Sunni.[72] A significant number of Muslim Egyptians also follow native Sufi orders,[79] and there is a minority of Shi'a.
So yes I would say region plays a HUGE part in what religion you believe in. You also have to remember that for the minority groups, a lot of that is going to be people that have come from other regions to which that religion is predominate and have migrated.
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Right. I'm not saying region doesn't play any part in what religion someone is. Of course it does.
I'm just saying it's too facile of an answer (like Dawkins said to the girl in the clip, "you're Christian bc. you were born in America).
And, frankly. I don't care for Dawkins. Not because he's an atheist. But because every armchair theologian who hates Christianity loves him.
When in fact, while he may be well read, he has contributed nothing original to the field. And let me tell you, in the academic world, regurgitating old ideas from several different sources and combining them, isn't anything spectacular.
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Anthony Roberts.
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Wrong, unfortunately.
physical pain is temporary. It may last a minute, or an hour, or a day, or a year, but eventually it will subside... The pain of quiting will lasts forever!!
evolution is for uneducated people... "what? - these smart people are are sayint it is true" you might say... of coarse they are just like uneducated people saying steroids are bad for you.
educate you self - the people who find this stuff or research this stuff get paid through grants and such, the get paid to talk about it and publish books about it. that means they have a very bias op to get this "info" to be looked at a ligit
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Do you think gravity is false? Do you think the world is flat? Do you think the world is 10,000 years old? Im being serious here. Where is the money to be made in scientific discovery? The Church rakes in millions each year.
Yes, the whole purpose of science is to make money *sarcasm*. Scientists live in palaces *more sarcasm*, it's just a shame they aren't given two palaces like the ArchBishop of Cantebury, or the fact that Bibles are 20 dollars a pop, or the fact there's no collection plate at Scientific seminars.
Im just stunned that you think the whole purpose of Science is for people to make money through grants. And you say people that believe in Evolution are uneducated..
Education is the most important thing you can teach people, geography, science, maths. Im sorry that those concepts weren't available to Abraham and chums, but we now know that the world is not flat, we know that mental illness are not the result of demonic possession and we now know that parasites like Rev Falwell were nothing but penny pinching crooks. Im only sorry there isn't a Hell that he is burning in right now.
Last edited by Flagg; 10-09-2009 at 11:05 AM.
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LOL x2!
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