She actually did it........

[Lunk1]

No need to be belligerent.

Exactly what part of my post was belligerent???

[redz]

So morality goes out the window???

I am more than comfortable with what has transpired and feel that I have ethically done nothing wrong. 2 people can`t help falling in love, it would be wrong to deny it.

[austinite]

So morality goes out the window???

LMFAO. Morality? This coming from you of all people is very very funny


Well this has been entertaining. I'm hungry. Gonna go eat now.

[Lunk1]

I am more than comfortable with what has transpired and feel that I have ethically done nothing wrong. 2 people can`t help falling in love, it would be wrong to deny it.

Then I hope you are more than comfortable with the reprocussions! If sleeping with a married women = doing nothing ethically wrong then you may want to revisit the definition of ethics!

[redz]

Then I hope you are more than comfortable with the reprocussions! If sleeping with a married women = doing nothing ethically wrong then you may want to revisit the definition of ethics!

With the husbands consent it sorta changes things, if he didn`t know that would be different. But I am positive I can sleep well and know I was always in the right on this one.

[Lunk1]

LMFAO. Morality? This coming from you of all people is very very funny


Well this has been entertaining. I'm hungry. Gonna go eat now.

Right...because morality is 100% in or out? So because I choose to use AAS I have no morals? None of my moral failures result in someone elses life being effected...only my own! For the record MOM...I wasn't being belligerent...I capt. YOU because of YOUr spelling correction earlier!

[Lunk1]

With the husbands consent it sorta changes things, if he didn`t know that would be different. But I am positive I can sleep well and know I was always in the right on this one.

You are hearing ONLY what you want to hear so that it benifits your situation! The husband never consented to his wife and you having an emotiol affair...big difference from sex!

[redz]

None of my moral failures result in someone elses life being effected...

They weren`t happy together anyways maybe he can send me a thank you card.

[Lunk1]

They weren`t happy together anyways maybe he can send me a thank you card.

Do you know that HE wasn't happy???

[Perseverance1]

So morality goes out the window???

Who decides what's morally right? You? God? Society? Let me break it down for you...

Well, obviously we know that you aren't the sole authority on what's morally acceptable, and since there's probably more people who don't believe in god nowadays than ones that do I would think its pretty safe to say that society dictates as a whole what is moral and what is not.

Now, keep in mind...what's considered acceptable in Japan (selling childporn openly in many video stores, for example) may not be acceptable in America.

So now we've established that the general American populous decides what's moral and what is not within their own society (where redz is).

Have you seen the general American populous? Have you spoken with the average American? Bunch of fat, lazy, self entitled, unintelligent people with a superiority complex.....hmmm, do you really want to subscribe to the standards set by such people?

Keep in mind that not all Americans are like that...but there's enough to make me dread going back.

The moral of the story here is that everything isn't always black and white. The way they cheated on their spouses is somewhat different from your standard adultery case...one was in the middle of a divorce and the other was in an open marriage...now, do I think that this union will fail? Of course I do. More than 50% of marriages end in divorce, and almost 70% of people already divorced get divorced from their second spouse as well. That's just statistics.

[redz]

You are hearing ONLY what you want to hear so that it benifits your situation! The husband never consented to his wife and you having an emotiol affair...big difference from sex!

He knew it was happening and did nothing to try and stop it, he kept having his boys nights out with strippers and hotel parties while it was going on so in the end he dug his on grave, I hear what you are saying but it is not logical to me, he may not have wanted her to have an emotional connection with someone else but if that was the case he should have never made the arrangement.

[redz]

Originally Posted by Lunk1
So morality goes out the window???
Who decides what's morally right? You? God? Society? Let me break it down for you...

Well, obviously we know that you aren't the sole authority on what's morally acceptable, and since there's probably more people who don't believe in god nowadays than ones that do I would think its pretty safe to say that society dictates as a whole what is moral and what is not.

Now, keep in mind...what's considered acceptable in Japan (selling childporn openly in many video stores, for example) may not be acceptable in America.

So now we've established that the general American populous decides what's moral and what is not within their own society (where redz is).

Have you seen the general American populous? Have you spoken with the average American? Bunch of fat, lazy, self entitled, unintelligent people with a superiority complex.....hmmm, do you really want to subscribe to the standards set by such people?

Keep in mind that not all Americans are like that...but there's enough to make me dread going back.

The moral of the story here is that everything isn't always black and white. The way they cheated on their spouses is somewhat different from your standard adultery case...one was in the middle of a divorce and the other was in an open marriage...now, do I think that this union will fail? Of course I do. More than 50% of marriages end in divorce, and almost 70% of people already divorced get divorced from their second spouse as well. That's just statistics.

This is accurate, the world is changing. To me if it makes you happy then it is right. Life is meant to be full of happiness and whatever brings you there is what you should be after in this life.

[Perseverance1]

He knew it was happening and did nothing to try and stop it, he kept having his boys nights out with strippers and hotel parties while it was going on so in the end he dug his on grave, I hear what you are saying but it is not logical to me, he may not have wanted her to have an emotional connection with someone else but if that was the case he should have never made the arrangement.

I'm fairly certain that any dude willing to let other dudes bang his wife just so he can get away from her and sleep with hookers is probably done with the marriage.....just a thought though.

[Lunk1]

Who decides what's morally right? You? God? Society? Let me break it down for you...

Well, obviously we know that you aren't the sole authority on what's morally acceptable, and since there's probably more people who don't believe in god nowadays than ones that do I would think its pretty safe to say that society dictates as a whole what is moral and what is not.

Now, keep in mind...what's considered acceptable in Japan (selling childporn openly in many video stores, for example) may not be acceptable in America.

So now we've established that the general American populous decides what's moral and what is not within their own society (where redz is).

Have you seen the general American populous? Have you spoken with the average American? Bunch of fat, lazy, self entitled, unintelligent people with a superiority complex.....hmmm, do you really want to subscribe to the standards set by such people?

Keep in mind that not all Americans are like that...but there's enough to make me dread going back.

The moral of the story here is that everything isn't always black and white. The way they cheated on their spouses is somewhat different from your standard adultery case...one was in the middle of a divorce and the other was in an open marriage...now, do I think that this union will fail? Of course I do. More than 50% of marriages end in divorce, and almost 70% of people already divorced get divorced from their second spouse as well. That's just statistics.

You are right...I am not the moral authority...but this is the lounge and if ppl post they are bound to get many varied opinions and beliefs...I don't expect everyone to agree with mine nor to I believe Redz would have ever considered changing his mind simply because I made my opinion on the matter clear and argued my side!

[redz]

I'm fairly certain that any dude willing to let other dudes bang his wife just so he can get away from her and sleep with hookers is probably done with the marriage.....just a thought though.

Though I never said anything of the sort to her, I know she felt that way.

[MuscleInk]

I got involved with a girl who was engaged to be married when I was a lot younger. She used to call me when her fiancé left her house and we would spend hours fooling around and hitting it in the sack. She had never slept with him because he was very religious and believed sex should be performed between married people (how many guys like THAT are even still around right????).

Anyway, this went on for about 4 months before she finally told her fiancé. He left her (obviously) and I continued to see the girl for another 2 months before we ended things.

Even though she was just as responsible for the things we did as was I, I still felt bad that I contributed to the collapse in her relationship. Perhaps if it wasn't me it would have been another guy she slept with, but I still felt bad for my role.

[Perseverance1]

This is accurate, the world is changing. To me if it makes you happy then it is right. Life is meant to be full of happiness and whatever brings you there is what you should be after in this life.

Ehh, I wouldn't quite go that far...some people are happy murdering and raping others...but I do get your sentiment.

[redz]

You are right...I am not the moral authority...but this is the lounge and if ppl post they are bound to get many varied opinions and beliefs...I don't expect everyone to agree with mine nor to I believe Redz would have ever considered changing his mind simply because I made my opinion on the matter clear and argued my side!

It's all good I respect peoples opinions.

[Lunk1]

He knew it was happening and did nothing to try and stop it, he kept having his boys nights out with strippers and hotel parties while it was going on so in the end he dug his on grave, I hear what you are saying but it is not logical to me, he may not have wanted her to have an emotional connection with someone else but if that was the case he should have never made the arrangement.

I will agree that he should have done things differently if he truelly cared about his marriage!

[redz]

Ehh, I wouldn't quite go that far...some people are happy murdering and raping others...but I do get your sentiment.

I didnt mean to make a blanket statement quite like that I am not for any violence against anyone.

[austinite]

Good job keeping your cool, redz. Best of luck.

[Perseverance1]

You are right...I am not the moral authority...but this is the lounge and if ppl post they are bound to get many varied opinions and beliefs...I don't expect everyone to agree with mine nor to I believe Redz would have ever considered changing his mind simply because I made my opinion on the matter clear and argued my side!

I understand and respect your opinion. I'm merely attacking the completely flawed logic you based your opinion on...your argument was that he was completely in the wrong because what he did wasn't moral. You then wished for "karma" (essentially hoping for bad things to happen to him) to come get him because of his horrible deeds.


All I'm saying is when you're in a shade of grey like redz was its not (or it shouldn't be) so easy to condemn them. Besides, you ever been in a horrible marriage Lunk? Obviously both of them were...so really them and others in a similar situation are the only ones who's opinion should carry weight.

Something tells me that anyone else who's been in a terrible marriage would condone what redz did and not see it as some horrible act.

[MickeyKnox]

Hey, whats going on in here? Are you guys still swinging at the fences? lol

[austinite]

Hey, whats going on in here? Are you guys still swinging at the fences? lol

I just came in to see if I can find the 4 dollar bill that I found earlier. Lost it somewhere.

[MickeyKnox]

I just came in to see if I can find the 4 dollar bill that I found earlier. Lost it somewhere.

Ill keep an eye open for it, but we have some shady characters in here..dont count on it..

[Lunk1]

I understand and respect your opinion. I'm merely attacking the completely flawed logic you based your opinion on...your argument was that he was completely in the wrong because what he did wasn't moral. You then wished for "karma" (essentially hoping for bad things to happen to him) to come get him because of his horrible deeds.


All I'm saying is when you're in a shade of grey like redz was its not (or it shouldn't be) so easy to condemn them. Besides, you ever been in a horrible marriage Lunk? Obviously both of them were...so really them and others in a similar situation are the only ones who's opinion should carry weight.

Something tells me that anyone else who's been in a terrible marriage would condone what redz did and not see it as some horrible act.

I have only been in 1 marriage! the same one for 21 years!! Have there been bad times...of course. It's a rollercoaster sometimes but I still feel strongly in the sanctity of marriage! Not necessarily from the religious aspect but from the commitment aspect! I'm sure in 21 years either my wife or me have gone through times where we could have called it quits for one reason or another but we made a commitment and both believe that it's worth working out!

I realize the answer is a bit off topic but my point is that marriage is important to me and I don't condone adultery from any party...even the third party who often times tries to play the innocent victim!

[austinite]

Ill keep an eye open for it, but we have some shady characters in here..dont count on it..

I understand

[lovbyts]

I got involved with a girl who was engaged to be married when I was a lot younger. She used to call me when her fiancé left her house and we would spend hours fooling around and hitting it in the sack. She had never slept with him because he was very religious and believed sex should be performed between married people (how many guys like THAT are even still around right????).

Anyway, this went on for about 4 months before she finally told her fiancé. He left her (obviously) and I continued to see the girl for another 2 months before we ended things.

Even though she was just as responsible for the things we did as was I, I still felt bad that I contributed to the collapse in her relationship. Perhaps if it wasn't me it would have been another guy she slept with, but I still felt bad for my role.

That is a situation I never want to be in and have thought about it and made the right choice, 2x.
I have an ex GF ( my 1st GF/love) who after we stopped dating after 2 1/2 years we remained friends. She got married about 6 years later. We still remained friends and I tried to also be friends with her husband. At one point in their relationship they were having some bad problems and he told her I was a concern to him and it bothered him we were friends. As soon as she told me it was obvious we needed to stop talking or doing anything together in any way. I did not want to be in any way responsible for a failed marriage and luckily I was not and they are still together.

Another ex GF after she got married was not very happy in her relationship although her husband was making $$$$. I think he cleared over 10m that year, 2000? She kept inviting me over to see their new house and her new car and finally I accepted but brought my daughter sort of as a safe guard knowing something may be up. I was right and although she was trying to persuade me to stay the night I left with nothing happening. Eventually their marriage failed but I can take pride in knowing I had nothing to do with it.

I'm far from perfect and many would not think I'm very moral due to my Asian post but even I have limits. lol

[Lunk1]

[/B]
That is a situation I never want to be in and have thought about it and made the right choice, 2x.
I have an ex GF ( my 1st GF/love) who after we stopped dating after 2 1/2 years we remained friends. She got married about 6 years later. We still remained friends and I tried to also be friends with her husband. At one point in their relationship they were having some bad problems and he told her I was a concern to him and it bothered him we were friends. As soon as she told me it was obvious we needed to stop talking or doing anything together in any way. I did not want to be in any way responsible for a failed marriage and luckily I was not and they are still together.

Another ex GF after she got married was not very happy in her relationship although her husband was making $$$$. I think he cleared over 10m that year, 2000? She kept inviting me over to see their new house and her new car and finally I accepted but brought my daughter sort of as a safe guard knowing something may be up. I was right and although she was trying to persuade me to stay the night I left with nothing happening. Eventually their marriage failed but I can take pride in knowing I had nothing to do with it.

I'm far from perfect and many would not think I'm very moral due to my Asian post but even I have limits. lol

Not a single human being I have ever met can claim 100% moral perfection! It is about limits and decisions that can hurt and effect others!

[Knockout_Power]

This isnt a situation for everyone, but seeings how most relationships dont work out for some reason or another, there no point critisizing someone elses. If the man is happy, thats all that matters

[redz]

If the man is happy, thats all that matters

I hope everyone finds their own happiness and wish only good on the world. Living my life with positive thoughts and energy every day has transformed my life.

[MuscleInk]

Ill keep an eye open for it, but we have some shady characters in here..dont count on it..

Give him a Toonie. The look on his face will be priceless!!!!

[redz]

ive him a Toonie. The look on his face will be priceless!!!!

Won`t be long before they do away with the $5 bills so we can have an even bigger pocket weight.

[austinite]

The penny will be the first to go. I'm guessing probably in the next couple years.

[redz]

The penny will be the first to go. I'm guessing probably in the next couple years.

They just did it in Canada.

[MuscleInk]

That is a situation I never want to be in and have thought about it and made the right choice, 2x.
I have an ex GF ( my 1st GF/love) who after we stopped dating after 2 1/2 years we remained friends. She got married about 6 years later. We still remained friends and I tried to also be friends with her husband. At one point in their relationship they were having some bad problems and he told her I was a concern to him and it bothered him we were friends. As soon as she told me it was obvious we needed to stop talking or doing anything together in any way. I did not want to be in any way responsible for a failed marriage and luckily I was not and they are still together.

Another ex GF after she got married was not very happy in her relationship although her husband was making $$$$. I think he cleared over 10m that year, 2000? She kept inviting me over to see their new house and her new car and finally I accepted but brought my daughter sort of as a safe guard knowing something may be up. I was right and although she was trying to persuade me to stay the night I left with nothing happening. Eventually their marriage failed but I can take pride in knowing I had nothing to do with it.

I'm far from perfect and many would not think I'm very moral due to my Asian post but even I have limits. lol

I often wonder if I'd do things any differently. Regrettably I probably wouldn't. I was 17 and the prospect of sex without commitment was alluring.

The person who suffered the most was the fiancé. He was a nice guy from what little I knew of him and I know I wouldn't want to be the one in his shoes.

I'm in love with my wife. I'd be absolutely devastated if I caught her screwing around.

[lovbyts]

I often wonder if I'd do things any differently. Regrettably I probably wouldn't. I was 17 and the prospect of sex without commitment was alluring.

The person who suffered the most was the fiancé. He was a nice guy from what little I knew of him and I know I wouldn't want to be the one in his shoes.

I'm in love with my wife. I'd be absolutely devastated if I caught her screwing around.

I hear you and I'm sure it would be TOUGH to pass up. I'm not claiming and moral high ground here, only I got lucky? Made the right choice once or twice and I'm glad I did.

[Lunk1]

I often wonder if I'd do things any differently. Regrettably I probably wouldn't. I was 17 and the prospect of sex without commitment was alluring.

The person who suffered the most was the fiancé. He was a nice guy from what little I knew of him and I know I wouldn't want to be the one in his shoes.

I'm in love with my wife. I'd be absolutely devastated if I caught her screwing around.

Ummmm...what time are you coming home...i mean getting home? No reason..just curious. By the way, you are out of poptarts

[MickeyKnox]

They just did it in Canada.

Pretty soon it will be, "need a loonie, give a loonie."

[MuscleInk]

Won`t be long before they do away with the $5 bills so we can have an even bigger pocket weight.

Still waiting for that. What will the call it? A foonie??? Lol

Loonies
Toonies
Foonies

.....too funny.