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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Makes sense on the supplements. I discovered a company / online store called "Canada Protein". Aside from selling protein you can also buy things like carb powder in bulk. Cluster Dextrin is only $60 for 2kg. I don't know how relevant the other ingredients are in terms of cofactors when I read the labels of the brands.

    Battle Juice was another highly totes product but $60 for 20 servings is highway robbery to me.

    I think I can make my own makeshift intro workout using raw ingredients
    I actually use Canadian protein for some of my carbs and vegan protein. Thanks for the reminder, I just went on and purchased vanilla and chocolate vegan protein alongside some maltodextrin and dextrose. Their price on Cluster Dextrin is good as well, same price I buy for my clusterbomb, or just about anyways.

    Making your own using raw ingredients is the way to go. I've done it before and will do again in the future I'm sure.

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    So the past few days I have been in contact with Milos and really contemplating having him take over my off season and helping me grow and hit my weight cap for classic. My only problem is that I can't risk shelling out 5K (canadian) for the 6 months. If we weren't dealing with Covid-19 it would be a different story but I don't want to run into a situation where I need money for my restaurant.

    After speaking to him and getting his opinion on things, although I haven't decided for sure, I think I am going to go into a hard bulk and maybe hire him down the road if I can't work things out on my own... Everyone around me is telling me that I am too lean and that this is a good opportunity to take advantage of a "rebound". My prep coach came by last week and told me that I'm way too lean right now which is what sparked my interest in speaking with Milos.

    I don't plan on changing my cycle as it is kicking in full effect but rather adding insulin and high carbs for the next few weeks before I drop the deca and make way for other compounds.

    The main thing is to make sure my body is at 100% and I'm definitely really close to it. I am shoulder pressing a plate per side which isn't that great but its progressing every week. My close grip is back up to 225 x 10 and my incline BB is at 275 x 3 all very clean, 4 second negatives. I am doing 3-4 second negative on everything, 1 second concentric with no pause at the bottom and a 2 second squeeze at the top. The squeeze has been a game changer in terms of rehab... Not really sure why maybe its a shock to my body as I never really squeeze this way.

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    Yesterday's morning workout consisted of monster sets so I did not log it. The goal was muscle activation and exhaustion and I felt logging my lift may get in the way of that.

    My PM workout was different. I hit arms. Two heavy movements for each of biceps and triceps followed by 2 monster sets. Here's how it went.

    Warm up with standing curls and cable press downs
    Ez bar curls 1 x 6-8
    35s x 8

    Incline DB Skull crushers 1 x 6-8
    45 x 10

    Close grip bench 1 x 6-8
    275 x 6

    Standing Hammer curls 1 x 6-8
    45 x 8

    Followed up with 2 monster sets of 5 exercises each. 10 second break in between sets and 120 second break between monster sets.

    Nothing impressive in terms of weight but I was extremely happy to get 275 on close grip for 6. Just a few weeks ago I couldn't even do a plate without pain due to my rotator cuff issue.

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    Morning weight: 211.4lbs

    Changed up my diet a bit. Three days a week I will be hitting 2 a days, those days I consume 5418 cals, 674 carb, 125 fat, 397 protein, 56 fibre. Another 3 days a week I will be hitting a single muscle group and I consume 4963 cals, 588 carb, 124 fat, 370 protein, 56 fibre. Yesterday was my first 2 a day and I was hungry after those meals. My carbs are timed mainly around my workout with 300g being pre and post on my single workout day. When I train twice, my largest carb consumption happens during my first workout (300g) with another 90g intra workout for my second workout.

    I will stick to this for a little while and see how my body responds. So far it is not responding the way I expected (usually I soak up glycogen and water and blow up) but as long as my strength progresses, we will call it a win.

    For 4-6 weeks I will be trying to add weight in a clean fashion. The 2 a days, combined with fasted cardio on my single workout days should help in that regard. Depending on how this period goes, I will either decide to take some time off the juice to let my body recover, or if things are going as they should, I will make another change and keep going. I plan on listening to my body and of course, take blood work into consideration.

    I am leaning towards bulking up to 225 range, then cruising for 8 weeks or so at a low test dose, lets say 250mg while keeping cals up to maintain that 225lb. I'm okay with using HGH and insulin during this time to keep the weight up but bringing down AAS usage will be the focus. From there, I will bring on an off-season coach. Al though I considered it now, I think it would be wise to hire a coach after I take some time off so that my body is refreshed that way I get the most out of it. Plus, that would put my starting weight for the bulk right around my highest weight which should have me blast past my PR. As usual, its easier said then done but this is my plan going forward. It may change but I just thought I'd get it out there so people understand my mind set here.

    I should mention, the pro qualifier I was planning on doing is now cancelled until 2021. I already had the push to drop the men's physique shorts and switch over to classic/BB but now it's time to make it happen. I fully expect this to be a long journey which is why I want to plan for some sort of time off in the mix. I will be bringing on one of two coaches. Milos sparks my interest the most. Hearing his interviews over the years, for the most part I seem to be on the same page as him in terms of carbs around my workout. It seems to work for me. His body of work speaks for itself and his past clients have nothing but great things to say. Having a coach is a mental thing as well and having someone in your corner who cares makes the world of a difference (this is why I use my good friend and local coach for prep). The other coach I have been watching for the better part of the year is AJ sims. He keeps his guys lean all year round and is able to pack mass on them. Both guys use intense workout plans to increase caloric expenditure which allows the consumption of more food. All of this lines up for me. Neither guys are cheap but AJ is roughly about 2/3 the price of Milos so I do want to make sure my body is exactly where it needs to be to start with a coach... No use starting with one just to have them put me on a cruise to let my body "recover". Overall I lean towards Milos as my goal is off-season coaching... If prep was my concern than maybe I would be leaning towards AJ. Either way, I have a few months to make up my mind and in the meantime I plan to put in work to be in a good starting point to work with a top level coach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Livinlean View Post
    I should mention, the pro qualifier I was planning on doing is now cancelled until 2021. I already had the push to drop the men's physique shorts and switch over to classic/BB but now it's time to make it happen. I fully expect this to be a long journey which is why I want to plan for some sort of time off in the mix. I will be bringing on one of two coaches. Milos sparks my interest the most. Hearing his interviews over the years, for the most part I seem to be on the same page as him in terms of carbs around my workout. It seems to work for me. His body of work speaks for itself and his past clients have nothing but great things to say. Having a coach is a mental thing as well and having someone in your corner who cares makes the world of a difference (this is why I use my good friend and local coach for prep). The other coach I have been watching for the better part of the year is AJ sims. He keeps his guys lean all year round and is able to pack mass on them. Both guys use intense workout plans to increase caloric expenditure which allows the consumption of more food. All of this lines up for me. Neither guys are cheap but AJ is roughly about 2/3 the price of Milos so I do want to make sure my body is exactly where it needs to be to start with a coach... No use starting with one just to have them put me on a cruise to let my body "recover". Overall I lean towards Milos as my goal is off-season coaching... If prep was my concern than maybe I would be leaning towards AJ. Either way, I have a few months to make up my mind and in the meantime I plan to put in work to be in a good starting point to work with a top level coach.

    I can imagine Milos charges an arm and a leg....
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    I can imagine Milos charges an arm and a leg....
    Actually a bit more reasonable than I expected but still not cheap. 3500USD for 6 months. I'm okay spending the money but it's just tough with this covid stuff going on and myself being a restaurant owner. I do meal prep as well and likely thats keeping me afloat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Livinlean View Post
    Actually a bit more reasonable than I expected but still not cheap. 3500USD for 6 months. I'm okay spending the money but it's just tough with this covid stuff going on and myself being a restaurant owner. I do meal prep as well and likely thats keeping me afloat.

    I'd imagine you can find guys just as good for half that. They just don't have the "name" to go with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    I'd imagine you can find guys just as good for half that. They just don't have the "name" to go with it.
    100% agree. I'd argue AJ is just as good if not better. For me, I've been following and "copying" Milos' plans for a while. It would be nice to actually have the real deal as opposed to trying to decipher stuff I see online/in his interviews and make a protocol off that. It's just a personal thing I guess.

    Normally I would shy away from a big name because they likely won't give a damn about you but I know a local competitor using him and he had nothing but great things to say in regards to attention to detail.

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    Monday April 27 210.4
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    Weight is progressing in the right direction. Muscles are full and round and I am still staying lean. Pictures below are taken today.

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    I'm not at your caliber of mixology but this is what I have so far:

    8g BCAA Blue Raspberry
    15g Carbs Orange Gatorade Powder
    10g Glutamine
    5g Creatine
    Will try with half scoop vanilla whey next workout
    Water + Ice

    I'm going to order from Canadian Protein today. Their unflavoured cluster dextrin and EAA's of some flavour.

    Also going to try with coconut water and maybe pinch of salt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    I'm not at your caliber of mixology but this is what I have so far:

    8g BCAA Blue Raspberry
    15g Carbs Orange Gatorade Powder
    10g Glutamine
    5g Creatine
    Will try with half scoop vanilla whey next workout
    Water + Ice

    I'm going to order from Canadian Protein today. Their unflavoured cluster dextrin and EAA's of some flavour.

    Also going to try with coconut water and maybe pinch of salt.
    Coconut water would be great for the electrolytes. I can see salt being a great addition as well, I add it to my pre workout.

    Two things I would recommend, the clinic dose for improved performance is 30g of carbs. I've seen 20-30g but Fouad mentioned the clinic dose being 30g.

    For protein, It seems hydrolyzed whey works better for intra or really any time around the workout. I don't believe there is clinic evidence but rather bro science. I forget if it was john meadows or someone else who brought it up and they pointed to the possible higher dose of leucine in hydro.

    2g sea salt or pink salt pre workout is a game changer. It's a staple for contest prep especially the last few weeks when it is hard to achieve a proper pump. I've noticed the results are more profound in my natural clients however it definitely does a great job for me as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Livinlean View Post
    Coconut water would be great for the electrolytes. I can see salt being a great addition as well, I add it to my pre workout.

    Two things I would recommend, the clinic dose for improved performance is 30g of carbs. I've seen 20-30g but Fouad mentioned the clinic dose being 30g.

    For protein, It seems hydrolyzed whey works better for intra or really any time around the workout. I don't believe there is clinic evidence but rather bro science. I forget if it was john meadows or someone else who brought it up and they pointed to the possible higher dose of leucine in hydro.

    2g sea salt or pink salt pre workout is a game changer. It's a staple for contest prep especially the last few weeks when it is hard to achieve a proper pump. I've noticed the results are more profound in my natural clients however it definitely does a great job for me as well.
    Sorry, I was a bit off. If your workout is under 75 minutes then your carb intake is fine. Over 75 minutes and 30g/hour is recommended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    I'm not at your caliber of mixology but this is what I have so far:

    8g BCAA Blue Raspberry
    15g Carbs Orange Gatorade Powder
    10g Glutamine
    5g Creatine
    Will try with half scoop vanilla whey next workout
    Water + Ice

    I'm going to order from Canadian Protein today. Their unflavoured cluster dextrin and EAA's of some flavour.

    Also going to try with coconut water and maybe pinch of salt.
    I should also mention, I did not like the blue raspberry flavour EAA by canadian protein. It tasted way too sweet but a fake sweet like you get with sweeteners. Even when watered down it did not taste good so I threw it away. I believe some reviews also stated that about the flavour so I would stay away from that one for sure. Personally I will likely use their unflavoured next time after that bad experience.

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    I'll give it a read thanks ! And unflavoured EAA sounds like a smart idea can customize from there. I don't have any hydrolyzed whey just a blend. I use so little protein powder in my meal plan it takes forever to go through. The protein will give me another 3g if Leucine on top of the BCAA protein.
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    Sweet progesss.

    Did yoh ever get water retention in finger/knuckles or or in ankles from MK or GH? I dropped my MK down to 15mg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Sweet progesss.

    Did yoh ever get water retention in finger/knuckles or or in ankles from MK or GH? I dropped my MK down to 15mg
    Water retention is ridiculous from MK and to a lesser extent from generic HGH as well. Right now I am on pharm and did not notice anything at all but I did gradually increase my dosage.

    I was debating adding another 5iu of HGH to my routine, that would be chinese generic. If I do that, I will definitely update about water retention and lethargy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Livinlean View Post
    Water retention is ridiculous from MK and to a lesser extent from generic HGH as well. Right now I am on pharm and did not notice anything at all but I did gradually increase my dosage.

    I was debating adding another 5iu of HGH to my routine, that would be chinese generic. If I do that, I will definitely update about water retention and lethargy.
    Any experience on Primatropin?

    I've been training at a private gym and went back to monster plex preworkout. Today I'm going to stop after 7 days. Appetite took a 180. Couldn't even ice cream with a gun to my head. My sleep also took a nose dive for two consecutive nights.

    In the future I'd only use it for 1 off workouts where I knew it was going to be max intensity with a training partner for drop sets, negatives, forced repatriation etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Any experience on Primatropin?

    I've been training at a private gym and went back to monster plex preworkout. Today I'm going to stop after 7 days. Appetite took a 180. Couldn't even ice cream with a gun to my head. My sleep also took a nose dive for two consecutive nights.

    In the future I'd only use it for 1 off workouts where I knew it was going to be max intensity with a training partner for drop sets, negatives, forced repatriation etc.
    I've used primatropin once but didn't notice too much from it. Could have been that I didn't give it enough time to work its magic before switching to another brand. It doesn't seem to be recommended very highly even tho the guys who carry syn typically carry it as well. On the other hand, the HGH carried by Inno's reps is typically backed by good reviews but no personal experience with those.

    In terms of appetite going to shit, I noticed in my logs that in the past I was using ginger root extract with heavy dose orals and had no issue. I recently picked up charcoal activated ginger and have recommended it to a few buddies with appetite issues and they've loved it. It can be found online or at a local organic grocer type of store.

    Monster plex is on my radar. Right now I have injectable dbol on hand which I will be adding once my weight plateaus a bit. Im up to 217 this morning... A bit softer and I have a cheat meal tonite and tomorrow night so chances are that I will be 220 with abs fairly soon but I will need to make some tweaks to ensure I stay lean... T3 addition being one of them. Nothing crazy, just going to start at 25mcg.

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    Maintained 217 through the weekend. I will keep the calories the same to start the week (5k), reassess on Tuesday or Wednesday. Insulin protocol will be a bit different now with lantus and humalog in the mix.

    HGH 3.5iu ~30 mins prior to cardio
    Lantus 30iu ~60 mins prior to meal 1
    Humalog 15iu ~15 mins pre workout
    Humalog 20iu ~immediately pre workout.

    Last week I seemed the gain more weight after my 2 a days. Possibly due to more insulin? This week I will be doing fasted cardio and 1 workout per day everyday with the exception of Sunday. Although the twice a days had me gaining weight, I felt very drained so I will ease off this week and see if I feel better.

    My shoulder pump is insane. Im literally doing raises with 25s and pressing 45s and they are ready to explode. Still easing into weights as I don't want to get risky with my rotators just yet... Nor do I even need to as they are responding really well.

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    Delts are popping! Awesome! I friggin miss lateral raises....
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Delts are popping! Awesome! I friggin miss lateral raises....
    I miss them too man. I've been doing partial side raises with a slight bend and they seem to help with the pain quite a bit.

    Currently looking on the market for a smith machine to add to my home gym. Only problem is that I don't want a cheapo unit and am either waiting for a smith+squat rack combo so I can replace my current squat rack or a commercial smith machine. I would be doing that exercise you recommended every shoulder day if I had a smith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Livinlean View Post
    I miss them too man. I've been doing partial side raises with a slight bend and they seem to help with the pain quite a bit.

    Currently looking on the market for a smith machine to add to my home gym. Only problem is that I don't want a cheapo unit and am either waiting for a smith+squat rack combo so I can replace my current squat rack or a commercial smith machine. I would be doing that exercise you recommended every shoulder day if I had a smith.
    Looking great. I feel like I am just withering away after looking at people like you.


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    Looking great. I feel like I am just withering away after looking at people like you.


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    You'll be fine my man. That muscle memory will bounce back in no time once you hit the weights again.

    Im just extra motivated due to coming off my rotator injury. I had just been able to finally hit my upper body properly when all this Covid stuff happened and I was a few weeks into a heavy cycle. Otherwise I would have probably just taken some time off and let my body recover before hitting a blast after coming back into the gym... Which is precisely what people like yourself can do

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    Quote Originally Posted by Livinlean View Post
    I miss them too man. I've been doing partial side raises with a slight bend and they seem to help with the pain quite a bit.

    Currently looking on the market for a smith machine to add to my home gym. Only problem is that I don't want a cheapo unit and am either waiting for a smith+squat rack combo so I can replace my current squat rack or a commercial smith machine. I would be doing that exercise you recommended every shoulder day if I had a smith.

    There's a current thread on here about home gyms. I've trained at home for 15 years now only going to a commercial gym maybe 5 times in that time span. If you have the right equipment at home you'll avoid gyms like the plague.

    I highly recommend Body Solid brand for a smith machine. Guaranteed for life and replacement parts are free if you're the original owner. I just had to replace a part on my bench and did not realize it was free as I've had it for 15 years. With mine you can squat on the smith or outside it. It also has a selectorized weight stack (pretty heavy) that you can also hang more weight on. High and low pulleys as well. Great machine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    There's a current thread on here about home gyms. I've trained at home for 15 years now only going to a commercial gym maybe 5 times in that time span. If you have the right equipment at home you'll avoid gyms like the plague.

    I highly recommend Body Solid brand for a smith machine. Guaranteed for life and replacement parts are free if you're the original owner. I just had to replace a part on my bench and did not realize it was free as I've had it for 15 years. With mine you can squat on the smith or outside it. It also has a selectorized weight stack (pretty heavy) that you can also hang more weight on. High and low pulleys as well. Great machine.
    Oh wow, you listed what I am looking for. I don't need the weight stack part (I already have a function trainer) but a quick google search found me the unit I need. Body-Solid Series 7 Smith Machine GS348Q. Now I just need to find someone who has it in stock which wont be easy but I'm also not in a huge hurry... I can do without a smith for now.

    I'll still keep a gym membership for the odd time I want to train with a buddy but for the most part, I will be training at home going forward. Also will likely be training clients out of this gym once it is complete as I do have a good amount of my local online client base looking for in person training.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Livinlean View Post
    Oh wow, you listed what I am looking for. I don't need the weight stack part (I already have a function trainer) but a quick google search found me the unit I need. Body-Solid Series 7 Smith Machine GS348Q. Now I just need to find someone who has it in stock which wont be easy but I'm also not in a huge hurry... I can do without a smith for now.

    I'll still keep a gym membership for the odd time I want to train with a buddy but for the most part, I will be training at home going forward. Also will likely be training clients out of this gym once it is complete as I do have a good amount of my local online client base looking for in person training.
    Nice. Now start keeping your eye on Craigs List and local neighborhood group social media sites as well. You can find some great deals that way. I'd highly suggest a vertical leg press if you can find one as well. Love mine. A 45 sled would be nice but you need to load literally twice the weight and it takes up twice the space as well.
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    Bumping up calories a bit as of tomorrow. Based off my PM weight it looks like I will be down weight tomorrow and considering I've followed my current plan for a week, its time to make a change anyways. I had a feeling my metabolism was revving quite high considering I maintained 217 all while having cheat meals Friday, Saturday and Sunday... Nothing crazy but at least 6-800 calories above my normal intake each of those days. Here's my new plan as of tomorrow, small tweaks yielded a 500 calorie jump. I just got my digestion locked down (or hope so) so I was refraining from making any major changes. Oh yea, and adding 25mg injectable Dbol pre workout starting tomorrow!

    30-60mins pre cardio 3.5iu pharm HGH

    Fasted cardio days (As of May 4):
    30-60mins pre cardio 3.5iu pharm HGH

    ~8am: 30iu Lantus
    Meal 1: 9am
    3 Large eggs
    2 slices high fibre white bread
    1/2 avocado
    + Shake:
    1 scoop isolate protein
    100g banana
    20g honey
    832 cals, 87 carb, 29 fat, 57 protein

    Meal 2: noon
    8oz chicken
    200g white rice
    1/2 cup beans
    2 tbsp chipotle mayo
    2 tbsp sour cream
    812 cals, 87 carb, 21 fat, 66 protein

    Meal 3: 3pm
    7oz chicken thighs
    250g white rice
    1 tbsp coconut oil
    1 cup mixed veggies (bok choy, broccoli, cauliflower)
    10oz organic berry juice
    845 cals, 100 carb, 28 fat, 47 protein

    ~15mins pre workout 15iu humalog

    Intra workout shake:
    1 cup pure pomegranate juice
    2 scoops carb powder (cluster bomb)
    30g maltodextrin
    30g dextrose
    5g Leucine, 5g creatine, 10g glutamine
    570 cals, 143 carb, 0 fat, 1 protein

    ~Immediately post workout 20iu Humalog

    Meal 4: 6pm (post workout shake + cereal)
    2 cups egg whites
    1 cup blueberries
    1 cup oats
    20g honey
    1.5 cups crave cereal
    1012 cals, 150 carb, 13 fat, 73 protein

    Meal 5: 7pm
    7oz chicken thighs
    250g white rice
    1 tbsp coconut oil
    1 cup mixed veggies (bok choy, broccoli, cauliflower)
    762 cals, 80 carb, 28 fat, 47 protein

    Meal 6: 9pm
    2 scoops protein
    1 cup oats
    1 tbsp PB
    689 cals, 66 carb, 15 fat, 70 protein
    5522 cals, 713 carb, 134 fat, 361 protein, 55 fibre

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    Am weight: 216.8lb so slightly down. I'm glad I took the time to make adjustments yesterday so I'm not scrambling now trying to figure out what to do.

    I forgot to mention the strength increase since adding insulin. The glycogen must be making a huge difference, I look very round but the strength is insane. Last week I got 275 x 5 on flat bench. I was very impressive. Yesterday I tried the same weight, got 10 reps very easy. Attempted 315 and got 4... I would have got 2 more if I had a spotter. The rotator feels recovered in all movements other than shoulders but I will find out in a couple days how it holds up on DB shoulder press and barbell military as those have been my hardest movements.

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    So because my weight was stalling at 217, I decided to bump my lantus to 50iu. Most consider 50 to be the starting point anyways but I just wanted to be safe. I also had to increase my calories to 6000.

    Wednesday 216.4
    Thursday 218.4
    Friday 219.4
    Saturday 221.4

    Weight is now progressing back up. I feel because I have cardio added, it is harder to gain weight which is what warranted the lantus increase. I am only 4lbs away from my goal of 225lb lean and I am 2 weeks in (I gave myself a 6 week timeline). Since I only have a few more days worth of lantus left if dosed at 50iu, I will run it until I run out. I will then use humalog to maintain whatever weight I am... The plan was also to lean out and get insulin sensitivity back but I don't think thats an issue at all because I am incredibly lean right now. I saw my prep coach a couple days ago and he couldn't believe his eyes. He is going to be trying the protocol the exact way I did it in a few weeks time he says. This protocol is no means my own, I took a template of Milos' and tweaked it to my liking. I also didn't see lantus on the plan he wrote so I added that in as opposed to more shots of humalog.

    After reading quite a bit online, I came to realize that lantus is great for users who are already lean but also have fast metabolisms. Last time I was a bit on the chunkier side so my results were not as drastic. I should also add that having muscles full of glycogen has really helped my strength and endurance during workouts. That is definitely my favourite part of this all as it does make training that much enjoyable if you can keep going and your body just doesn't want to stop

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    Have you tried DHB? My rep carries Pareto now and saw. It's actually quite affordable. I think I'd like to try that at 350-500mg/week.
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    No sir I have not. It's been on my wish list but it seems like my local source no longer has that or monsterplex.

    I've been on injectable dbol for a week now and it seems to be zapping my hunger even tho I was hoping the injectable version would not... Even at 25mg. Just ordered myself some super drol alongside some more GH. I plan on adding another 5iu of generics to my already 2.5iu of pharm grade. Considering I was and am close to hiring a coach, I may as well try out the things I've seen on some of their plans lol.


    AM weight: 221.4lb

    Still hovering around 222 and man is it hard getting 6k calories in. I will throw in a cheat here and there to bump it up but I'm trying not to resort to that as I do want to focus on digestion as well. I have been able to keep my waist tight which I did not think would be possible with this volume of food. 300g of rice with 7oz meat catches up to you...
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    Have you tried Sushi rice ? I can eat a lot more sushi rice compared to normal white/jasmin/basmati rice.

    It's the Lundberg brand - only problem is $8/bag here in Ontario.

    Are you doing any dairy right now ?
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    I wasn't the biggest fan of the Lundberg brand. I cooked it the same way I cook regular sushi rice but I think that may have not been the best way to do so as it did not turn out as great as bodybuilders on youtube make it out to be.

    Today I was able to get the 300g down easier. I prefer white basmati rice but sometimes will use a sushi rice I buy from T&T.

    Can not do dairy due to lactose intolerance. Last time I added ice cream to hit 7k calories but I am avoiding anything that may cause indigestion. I'm resorting to pure fruit juices for extra carbs and will soon start ramping up my honey intake if necessary. I probably sound so picky but it sucks having all these intolerances and digestive issues. My specialist diagnosed me with this disease that says I'm allergic to protein... Another specialist says I should avoid chicken & rice as I have intolerances to both according to the test I got done. Of course, we know in Canada our allergy tests aren't the most reliable so I've just been doing my thing and listening to my body and have noticed as long as I avoid processed foods (possibly vegetable oil?) and dairy (lactose), I seem to be fine for the most part.

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    I cut out vegetable oils forever ago and it was huge - cooking most with grass fed butter or coconut oil. I rarely eat dairy as well.

    I'm going to give DHB a try and see what's what
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    Monday May 11 221.4
    Tuesday 222.4
    Wednesday 223.2
    Thursday 225.6

    My goal of 225 lean has been reached. 15.2 lbs in 18 days. Still maintaining abs and good control of my stomach area.

    Today was my last shot of lantus as well as I just ran out. Now I will be working on maintaining this weight with my 6K calorie diet. I've only been on tren A for a week and half or so and I know that will lean me out and have an aesthetic effect. At this weight I do seem to huff and puff so I need to get my body used to this new weight before I try another bulk. Don't get me wrong, I still expect to grow with my current cycle (750 test, 900 EQ, 300mg Tren A, 50mcg T3) but I will not be pushing lantus and GH for the time being. I still intend on using humalog pre and post workout but I will back off if I feel my body is taking a turn AKA losing insulin sensitivity.

    Yesterday's chest workout was insane. I was able to bench 315 for 9 reps. I should be back to my lifts of 315 x 12 and 365 x 5 in no time. I do not intend on trying 365 until I can hit 315 for 12-14 reps... Gotta be safe. Don't want to risk things even tho it's been almost 6 months since my partial tear of my rotator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Livinlean View Post
    Monday May 11 221.4
    Tuesday 222.4
    Wednesday 223.2
    Thursday 225.6

    My goal of 225 lean has been reached. 15.2 lbs in 18 days. Still maintaining abs and good control of my stomach area.

    Today was my last shot of lantus as well as I just ran out. Now I will be working on maintaining this weight with my 6K calorie diet. I've only been on tren A for a week and half or so and I know that will lean me out and have an aesthetic effect. At this weight I do seem to huff and puff so I need to get my body used to this new weight before I try another bulk. Don't get me wrong, I still expect to grow with my current cycle (750 test, 900 EQ, 300mg Tren A, 50mcg T3) but I will not be pushing lantus and GH for the time being. I still intend on using humalog pre and post workout but I will back off if I feel my body is taking a turn AKA losing insulin sensitivity.

    Yesterday's chest workout was insane. I was able to bench 315 for 9 reps. I should be back to my lifts of 315 x 12 and 365 x 5 in no time. I do not intend on trying 365 until I can hit 315 for 12-14 reps... Gotta be safe. Don't want to risk things even tho it's been almost 6 months since my partial tear of my rotator.
    Slow and steady - smart!

    Do you ever do stutter reps or train with a partner ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Slow and steady - smart!

    Do you ever do stutter reps or train with a partner ?
    I am slowly going to start training with more volume now. My strength has come back and I believe I can push further but in an attempt to avoid injury I will add more volume. Plus, I haven't done volume on heavy sets in quite some time.

    Never heard of stutter reps before until I just googled them. Have you had any luck with them? My training methods are for the most part adopted from mountain and DC style training.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Livinlean View Post
    I am slowly going to start training with more volume now. My strength has come back and I believe I can push further but in an attempt to avoid injury I will add more volume. Plus, I haven't done volume on heavy sets in quite some time.

    Never heard of stutter reps before until I just googled them. Have you had any luck with them? My training methods are for the most part adopted from mountain and DC style training.
    I've been doing it along with along of shocking principle techniques with my coach during quarantine and it's been incredible. Definitely something I wouldn't do part of a regular routine though. Maybe once every 2-3 months.

    Got a bit of an experiment running - curious how much water weight and fluff I am holding. Pulled MK first, then creatine for maybe first or second time since training. Next I pulled all artificial sweeteners based off an interview I saw with Brandon Curry. I had maybe 10-11 lbs of water weight.

    Next will do no carbs for 48 hours before next weigh in / measurements.

    Also went down a documentary rabbit hole between Amazon Prime Video and Netflix. Considering redoing my whole vitamin and supplement routine
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    I've been doing it along with along of shocking principle techniques with my coach during quarantine and it's been incredible. Definitely something I wouldn't do part of a regular routine though. Maybe once every 2-3 months.

    Got a bit of an experiment running - curious how much water weight and fluff I am holding. Pulled MK first, then creatine for maybe first or second time since training. Next I pulled all artificial sweeteners based off an interview I saw with Brandon Curry. I had maybe 10-11 lbs of water weight.

    Next will do no carbs for 48 hours before next weigh in / measurements.

    Also went down a documentary rabbit hole between Amazon Prime Video and Netflix. Considering redoing my whole vitamin and supplement routine
    Mind sharing what you learnt about vitamins and supplements? Hopefully its not too much to type or if you could let me know of the documentary that would be awesome.

    MK makes me hold a lot of water. I get crazy strength as well but I think its mainly from the extra water weight... I cut artificial sweeteners once I realized the impact they were having on my digestion and haven't looked back since. Im referring to constantly adding something to my water, I don't shy away from a diet soda here and there

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