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    Ronnie... I also asked you about HcG specifically because I am on year round HRT at Testosterone Cyp 200mg/wk. I know the use of HcG has been discussed in previous threads earlier but I didn't see any that specifically spoke to those of us on HRT. I get what I should do while I am on the reload (250u every other day), but what about when I am on deload? I was planning to go back to 200mg/wk of Test Cyp while on deload, as you suggest, but should I maintain the 250u every other day of HcG while on deload, or cut it off completely?

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    Ronnie, last question for this week. The two week prime... when should that be done? Is it the first two weeks of the 8 week reload? Is it before the 8 week reload? Or is it following the 2 week deload?

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    Quote Originally Posted by corpsman View Post
    ronnie, last question for this week. The two week prime... thats to be done only when you have reached total burnout with reloading and deloading and need to take some time off from training. When should that be done? Is it the first two weeks of the 8 week reload? no there is no prime during a reload. The 2 week deload is prime enough until total burnout or injury occurs.. Is it before the 8 week reload? Or is it following the 2 week deload? neither..i generally prime only once a year and two at the most.
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    Hello Ronnie..
    Thanks for all your posts and the great information you have given to everyone.. I followed you reload/deload program during my last cycle, and had wonderful results!! Thanks so much!! I am so anxious to start my next one. I did 6 weeks of normal pct, for a total of 15 weeks since my last dose of test prop. Since i did your 8 weeks on, two weeks small dose, then 8 weeks stronger dose, do i have to wait 18+6 weeks before i start new cycle? Please please advise..

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    Quote Originally Posted by depfife View Post
    hello ronnie..
    Thanks for all your posts and the great information you have given to everyone.. I followed you reload/deload program during my last cycle, and had wonderful results!! Thanks so much!! I am so anxious to start my next one. I did 6 weeks of normal pct, for a total of 15 weeks since my last dose of test prop. Since i did your 8 weeks on, two weeks small dose, then 8 weeks stronger dose, do i have to wait 18+6 weeks before i start new cycle? you don't have to but if you want kids in the future i would wait 4-6 weeks before starting another 20 week Slingshot cycle just to play it safe.please please advise..
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    What’s up man? I will try to keep this somewhat short as I am sure you get massive amounts of questions every day. I have been a natural bodybuilder for some time now and just recently qualified to compete at NPC nationals next year. I decided that I am going use steroids in preparation for this show and I will do whatever it takes to leave there with my pro-card. Nationals is over a year away and I was going to do a 12 week Test E cycle with a 4 week D-bol kick start, then 2 weeks off and 4 weeks of PCT. This would allow me to then take 18 weeks off (the length of my cycle plus pct), then I would have enough time to do another cycle leading me right up to the show.

    However after reading your slingshot training post I am reconsidering this, but I wanted to ask you some questions first.

    1.) Would it be ok to use this system even though I have never cycled before?
    2.) Would it be ok to still use the 4 week D-bol kick start?
    3.) Should I still use my nolva and colmid for the 2 week deload?
    4.) Would it be ok to still follow the dosage I had planned for my 12 week cycle i.e. 500mg per week test E and 40mg per day D-bol?

    I don’t see the point in cycling only to lose all your gains in the standard time on = time off model. So I thought I would give this method a try over the next year.


    Thanks man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sensaispike View Post
    What’s up man? I will try to keep this somewhat short as I am sure you get massive amounts of questions every day. I have been a natural bodybuilder for some time now and just recently qualified to compete at NPC nationals next year. I decided that I am going use steroids in preparation for this show and I will do whatever it takes to leave there with my pro-card. Nationals is over a year away and I was going to do a 12 week Test E cycle with a 4 week D-bol kick start, then 2 weeks off and 4 weeks of PCT. This would allow me to then take 18 weeks off (the length of my cycle plus pct), then I would have enough time to do another cycle leading me right up to the show.

    However after reading your slingshot training post I am reconsidering this, but I wanted to ask you some questions first.

    1.) Would it be ok to use this system even though I have never cycled before?
    2.) Would it be ok to still use the 4 week D-bol kick start?
    3.) Should I still use my nolva and colmid for the 2 week deload?
    4.) Would it be ok to still follow the dosage I had planned for my 12 week cycle i.e. 500mg per week test E and 40mg per day D-bol?

    I don’t see the point in cycling only to lose all your gains in the standard time on = time off model. So I thought I would give this method a try over the next year.


    Thanks man.

    This is what i am thinking for my 2 week prime, how dose it look??? I will post my proposed prime diet later when i get home.


    Monday:
    Back:
    Wide natural grip pull downs (I do these over pull-ups due to tendonitis)
    Unilateral Machine rows

    Tuesday:
    Chest:
    Flat Barbell Bench Press
    Inclined Dumbbell Bench Press

    Wednesday:
    Off

    Thursday:
    Biceps and Triceps:
    Camber Bar Curls
    Seated Concentration Curls
    Inclined Camber Bar Skull Crushers
    Triceps Press Downs

    Friday:
    Legs:
    Barbell Squats
    Deadlifts
    Straight Leg Calf Extensions
    Bent Leg Calf Extensions

    Saturday:
    Off

    Sunday:
    Shoulders/Abs:
    Dumbbell Shoulder Press
    Shoulder Fly’s
    Cable Crunches
    Oblique Crunches
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    Quote Originally Posted by sensaispike View Post
    this is what i am thinking for my 2 week prime, how dose it look??? I will post my proposed prime diet later when i get home.


    Monday:
    Back:
    Wide natural grip pull downs (i do these over pull-ups due to tendonitis) i would recommend using cables pulldowns on a dual pulley life fitness cable machine if you have access to one. Also do reps with no jerking whatsoever.
    Unilateral machine rows

    tuesday:
    Chest:
    Flat barbell bench press decline press on smith is better for chst development
    inclined dumbbell bench press better off using smith machine as well for barbell incline press if you have bicep tendonitus as lifting the heavy dumbbells in positon will only aggravate this condition.

    wednesday:
    Off

    thursday:
    Biceps and triceps:
    Camber bar curls
    seated concentration curls
    inclined camber bar skull crushers
    triceps press downs

    friday:
    Legs:
    Barbell squats
    deadlifts (add leg curls in after deads)
    straight leg calf extensions
    bent leg calf extensions

    saturday:
    Off

    sunday:
    Shoulders/abs:
    Dumbbell shoulder press
    shoulder fly’s
    cable crunches
    oblique crunchesyou do not need oblique crunches as cable crunches work that area enough.building the obliques too much causes a wider waist line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sensaispike View Post
    this is what i am thinking for my 2 week prime, how dose it look??? I will post my proposed prime diet later when i get home.


    Monday:
    Back:
    Wide natural grip pull downs (i do these over pull-ups due to tendonitis) i would recommend using cables pulldowns on a dual pulley life fitness cable machine if you have access to one. Also do reps with no jerking whatsoever.
    Unilateral machine rows

    tuesday:
    Chest:
    Flat barbell bench press decline press on smith is better for chst development
    inclined dumbbell bench press better off using smith machine as well for barbell incline press if you have bicep tendonitus as lifting the heavy dumbbells in positon will only aggravate this condition.

    wednesday:
    Off

    thursday:
    Biceps and triceps:
    Camber bar curls
    seated concentration curls
    inclined camber bar skull crushers
    triceps press downs

    friday:
    Legs:
    Barbell squats
    deadlifts (add leg curls in after deads)
    straight leg calf extensions
    bent leg calf extensions

    saturday:
    Off

    sunday:
    Shoulders/abs:
    Dumbbell shoulder press
    shoulder fly’s
    cable crunches
    oblique crunchesyou do not need oblique crunches as cable crunches work that area enough.building the obliques too much causes a wider waist line.
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    Ok, now I am a beginner. Can beginners start with a program like this? This sounds like a solid system, but with me being a beginner I don't want to harm myself. It sounds very beneficial for an experienced bro, but I want to try this only if you would recommend to a beginner.

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    Ron,

    Nice guns!! Does real legit GEAR really exist?

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    [QUOTE=lefrancis;5784898]Ron,

    Nice guns!! Does real legit GEAR really exist?[/QUOTE]Of course it does..Some of the UG lab gear is stronger than pharm grade but that's not always a good thing.

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    [QUOTE=lefrancis;5784898]Ron,

    Nice guns!! Does real legit GEAR really exist?[/QUOTE]Of course it does..Some of the UG lab gear is stronger than pharm grade but that's not always a good thing.

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    Hey Ronnie, I just read your article and i must say thanks for dedicating your time to helping others. Im 25, been training on and off since i was about 18 and decided to finally hit the gear to try get a bit bigger and lean up a bit for summer. I have started with test enanthate 250 (2x 0.75ml) + deca 200 (2x 0.5) per week. Im approximately 79kgs, probably around 15-20% body fat.

    So Mondays = 0.75mil of test e and 0.5mil of deca and again on Thursdays

    ps. i also started on prop for the first 3 weeks to kickstart the cycle every second day but just finished that now.

    First I was wondering if this amount is alright or if i should just be doing 1 mil of enanthate twice a week? I started on .75 so then i could later increase the ammount to 1mil enanthate twice a week after my first blast..

    So far this is my third week on it and im starting to feel the strength already (woot woot)... I was planing n cycling for 8 weeks on, 2 weeks off (reload/deload) and then back on for another 4 weeks? I didnt want to be on it for longer than 12 weeks so instead of going for another 8 weeks on it i was planning on stopping after the the 4. So basically... 8 weeks reload, 2 week deload (no injections ), followed by a further 4 weeks on. I wanted to know if this is okay or should i just continue for another 8 weeks?

    I also wanted to cut up a bit towards the end of my cycle and was thinking of hitting tren for the last few 4-8 weeks of my cycle (depending how long my cycle is). I wanted to know if this is a good idea? and if so how much would you recommend considering that ill probably be on 1mil of test E and 0.5 mil deca twice a week...

    Lastly... ive always had a gyno problem (or at least i think so), more evident on one side than the other and didnt want to make it worse so i was thiking of using letro/Arimadex/novaldex throughout my cycle ... I can get my hands on Letro (2.5mg x 30) or Arimadex (1mg x 30). However they both cost over $200 (pharmaceutical tablets) which is a bit expensive...

    Considering my gyno problem i was wondering what you all would recommend to be the best? I have read a lot of articles about it, and most recommend letro as it can reverse it sometimes. However i can also get liquid Arimidex (1mg/ml 30mls) for less than of what the other one costs (from the same place) so i was leaning towards this...

    However im trying to figure out if its worth forking out over 200 for the letro or should i just get the liquid arimadex, and if so whats the difference? ie. between liquid and tablets?

    Thanks in advance for the help, much appreciated!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazyltn187 View Post
    Hey Ronnie, I just read your article and i must say thanks for dedicating your time to helping others. Im 25, been training on and off since i was about 18 and decided to finally hit the gear to try get a bit bigger and lean up a bit for summer. I have started with test enanthate 250 (2x 0.75ml) + deca 200 (2x 0.5) per week. Im approximately 79kgs, probably around 15-20% body fat.

    So Mondays = 0.75mil of test e and 0.5mil of deca and again on Thursdays

    ps. i also started on prop for the first 3 weeks to kickstart the cycle every second day but just finished that now.

    First I was wondering if this amount is alright or if i should just be doing 1 mil of enanthate twice a week? I started on .75 so then i could later increase the ammount to 1mil enanthate twice a week after my first blast..I would never use deca during a first cycle unless you had severe tendonitus. It woul dbe best to run 500 mgs of test-e alone each week. Prop is not needed!
    So far this is my third week on it and im starting to feel the strength already (woot woot)... I was planing n cycling for 8 weeks on, 2 weeks off (reload/deload) and then back on for another 4 weeks? I didnt want to be on it for longer than 12 weeks so instead of going for another 8 weeks on it i was planning on stopping after the the 4. So basically... 8 weeks reload, 2 week deload (no injections ), followed by a further 4 weeks on. I wanted to know if this is okay or should i just continue for another 8 weeks? continue with 8 weeks not 4!

    I also wanted to cut up a bit towards the end of my cycle and was thinking of hitting tren for the last few 4-8 weeks of my cycle (depending how long my cycle is). I wanted to know if this is a good idea? its a bad idea until you get at least 20 weeks of usage behind you and see how you feel. Tren is very powerful and not recommended for a beginner. and if so how much would you recommend considering that ill probably be on 1mil of test E and 0.5 mil deca twice a week...add deca during second reload but not first. see how well you do on test then proceed forward.
    Lastly... ive always had a gyno problem (or at least i think so), more evident on one side than the other and didnt want to make it worse so i was thiking of using letro/Arimadex/novaldex throughout my cycle ... I can get my hands on Letro (2.5mg x 30) or Arimadex (1mg x 30). However they both cost over $200 (pharmaceutical tablets) which is a bit expensive...use .025 mgs of armidex or 20 mgs of nolvadex daily. you do not need the letro as its too strong and 1 compound is enough.
    Considering my gyno problem i was wondering what you all would recommend to be the best? I have read a lot of articles about it, and most recommend letro as it can reverse it sometimes. letro should be used for pre-contest only imo as it destroys your sex drive and dries out the joints making them prone to injury. go with a-dex However i can also get liquid Arimidex (1mg/ml 30mls) for less than of what the other one costs (from the same place) so i was leaning towards this...

    However im trying to figure out if its worth forking out over 200 for the letro or should i just get the liquid arimadex, and if so whats the difference? ie. between liquid and tablets? no difference if its a reputable lab.Thanks in advance for the help, much appreciated!
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    Im taking Test enan 2cc a week with omedren 2cc a week mixed with 20mg of Anavar a day for the next 8 weeks, is this a good cycle or would you suggest any change.
    P.S. Great post.

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    Cheers for the reply bro. Will give that a shot. Let you know how I go. Stoked to give it a shot for my next cycle as I don't have any dbol ATM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrsyynk View Post
    Im taking Test enan 2cc a week with omedren 2cc a week mixed with 20mg of Anavar a day for the next 8 weeks, is this a good cycle or would you suggest any change. This is a good cycle if those are the 3 products you are going to use..
    P.S. Great post.
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    Ronnie..great post! One question, what is your take on IM versus Sub Q for Test C and other AS... Is it BS or potential??

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmac10 View Post
    ronnie..great post! One question, what is your take on im versus sub q for test c and other as... Is it bs or potential?? the only way to inject anabolics is im and never sub q!
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    Wow! Thanks for such an in depth look on this. I'm not even done reading it all yet but it's definitely worth the time.

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    tweaking my routine

    Im 48 and just started working out in the last 1 1/2 years with my 19 year old son. I lost 25 lbs of fat and added muscle. I was 207lbs now 182lbs. I work out 6 days a week. Ive taken supplements such as protein powder, creatine, arganine, nitric stack, tribulus, dhea, glutamine, bcaas, flax oil fish oil multi vitamins. I just bought a stack of Primo 33. Androxybl, mesobolinand tridenosen from primal muscle. I just ordered milk thistle and chondrotin for mild joint pain. What do you know of Primal Muscle and what should you think I should be doing with training and supplemrents att my age






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    hi ronnie, what dou think is better with gh...t3 or t4?
    just my had my pec tendon surgery and running 8ius eod. read an anthony roberts article about how t4 amplifies gh anabolism.

    http://www.mesomorphosis.com/article...th-hormone.htm

    i ususally have 450g protein but reducing it to 300g as im in a sling for 8 weeks. is that ok for recovery?
    also dropped carbs to 100g and fats to 70g as im literally just sitting on my ass not burning any cals lol cant even do cardio
    thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by ricky23 View Post
    hi ronnie, what dou think is better with gh...t3 or t4? t-3 is best!
    just my had my pec tendon surgery and running 8ius eod. read an anthony roberts article about how t4 amplifies gh anabolism.

    http://www.mesomorphosis.com/article...th-hormone.htm

    i ususally have 450g protein but reducing it to 300g as im in a sling for 8 weeks. is that ok for recovery? 200-250 is plenty of protein daily you are sedentary.
    also dropped carbs to 100g and fats to 70g as im literally just sitting on my ass not burning any cals lol cant even do cardio I would eat fewer calories and add more greeen veggies in your diet to stay full.thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by 71cars View Post
    Im 48 and just started working out in the last 1 1/2 years with my 19 year old son. I lost 25 lbs of fat and added muscle. I was 207lbs now 182lbs. I work out 6 days a week. Ive taken supplements such as protein powder, creatine, arganine, nitric stack, tribulus, dhea, glutamine, bcaas, flax oil fish oil multi vitamins. I just bought a stack of Primo 33. Androxybl, mesobolinand tridenosen from primal muscle. I just ordered milk thistle and chondrotin for mild joint pain. What do you know of Primal Muscle and what should you think I should be doing with training and supplements at my age Not familar with primal muscles products but age 48 I would recommend HRT from your local endocrinologist if he will give it to you. Testosterone is your best freind once you get past 40 years of age. Honeslty, it's the best supplement. Herbs like tribulus and macca won't help build muscle to any noticeable degree but they can help improve libido, especially when added with testosterone. Macca is an l-dopa precursor and tribulus is touted for increasing blood flow to the genitals and increasing LH. Arginine is also good for increasing NO which helps sexually and can increase your pump but its not going to help you build muscle in any appreciable way. 4 days per week of weight training is more than enough. 6 days per week is overkill!Richard
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    i have been reading the last month about an hour to two hours a day trying to take in as much info as i can, most of it ends up being repeat but this was new to me. and makes alot of sense when you think about it.

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    Hey Ron,
    Been out of commission for about 10 weeks due to sickness misdiagnosed repeatedly. Ended up being an infected lymph node. They called it everything from a hernia to prostate cancer. Anyway, I was going to do a 2 week prime (had been blasting for 16 months and needed a break, but not like that) which is turning into a 10 week prime. Lost 30 lbs, dropped back to 250 mg of Sust per week and generally went from looking like my Avi to not (amazing how fast it goes when your not eating/training, huh?). Been doing GH 6 iu's a day which I believe saved what I have. Blood work is back and all g2g.

    My question is should I start out with a deload type workout for 2 weeks (or longer?), then start my cycle (I'm thinking 50 mg test prop ed/ 500 mg sust per week/100 mg NPP ed/50 mg dbol ed. Or should I just go straight into the reload/cycle when I'm ready to go (I think Monday).

    I just read in your previous reply to me that I should just run test only. Why is that? Because of my BP? I take my own BP daily. My BP only goes to about 148/85 when I was doing a gram of tren E at one point. Just wanted to clarify and if you say it I'll do it, your advise has been spot on since I first found this thread, but I like stacking various compounds and I've got a years supply of trestolone, tren, var, dbol, deca, npp, HGH as well as all manner of testosterone and was really looking forward to 260 lbs and 8% BF by next October. Also all blood work g2g. With a full year of blasting starting next week I feel a bit like a kid right before Christmas that can only play with one toy. That said, if your right, your right...

    Thanks Ron, glad to be back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Titan99 View Post
    Hey Ron,
    Been out of commission for about 10 weeks due to sickness misdiagnosed repeatedly. Ended up being an infected lymph node. They called it everything from a hernia to prostate cancer. Anyway, I was going to do a 2 week prime (had been blasting for 16 months and needed a break, but not like that) which is turning into a 10 week prime. Lost 30 lbs, dropped back to 250 mg of Sust per week and generally went from looking like my Avi to not (amazing how fast it goes when your not eating/training, huh?). Been doing GH 6 iu's a day which I believe saved what I have. Blood work is back and all g2g.

    My question is should I start out with a deload type workout for 2 weeks (or longer?), then start my cycle (I'm thinking 50 mg test prop ed/ 500 mg sust per week/100 mg NPP ed/50 mg dbol ed. Or should I just go straight into the reload/cycle when I'm ready to go (I think Monday).

    I just read in your previous reply to me that I should just run test only. Why is that? Because of my BP? I take my own BP daily. My BP only goes to about 148/85 when I was doing a gram of tren E at one point. Just wanted to clarify and if you say it I'll do it, your advise has been spot on since I first found this thread, but I like stacking various compounds and I've got a years supply of trestolone, tren, var, dbol, deca, npp, HGH as well as all manner of testosterone and was really looking forward to 260 lbs and 8% BF by next October. Also all blood work g2g. With a full year of blasting starting next week I feel a bit like a kid right before Christmas that can only play with one toy. That said, if your right, your right...

    Thanks Ron, glad to be back.
    Sorry but I wrote out a long detailed answer for you but my computer for some odd reason kicked me off the site as I was posting it. So I'll make it brief due to time restraints and you can ask more questions if needed...okay.. Start reloading and focus on GH and TEST since they are the safest.most effective and you are not competing and have had some health issues. D-bol 25 mgs daily I think is plenty due to you having high blood pressure and tren 300 mgs week is all I woud go. Deca at 200 mgs per week for joints is okay. You need to focus on form and not try and out do those young guys in the gym. Your joints can't take it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by the titan99 View Post
    hey ron,
    been out of commission for about 10 weeks due to sickness misdiagnosed repeatedly. Ended up being an infected lymph node. They called it everything from a hernia to prostate cancer. Anyway, i was going to do a 2 week prime (had been blasting for 16 months and needed a break, but not like that) which is turning into a 10 week prime. Lost 30 lbs, dropped back to 250 mg of sust per week and generally went from looking like my avi to not (amazing how fast it goes when your not eating/training, huh?). yes it is amazing how fast you lose the muscle but it comes back pretty fast. I am losing muscle right now and it's no fun. I can't train heavy for at least 6 months and may not even be able to train light until then, well see!? I'm still in a whole lot of pain and on a lot of meds to take off the edge. Toughest thing i've ever had to endure in my lifetime. You guys take care of your lower backs while lifting! been doing gh 6 iu's a day which i believe saved what i have. Blood work is back and all g2g.

    My question is should i start out with a deload type workout for 2 weeks (or longer?), then start my cycle (i'm thinking 50 mg test prop ed/ 500 mg sust per week/100 mg npp ed/50 mg dbol ed. Or should i just go straight into the reload/cycle when i'm ready to go (i think monday).

    I just read in your previous reply to me that i should just run test only. Why is that? Because of my bp? I take my own bp daily. My bp only goes to about 148/85 when i was doing a gram of tren e at one point. Just wanted to clarify and if you say it i'll do it, your advise has been spot on since i first found this thread, but i like stacking various compounds and i've got a years supply of trestolone, tren, var, dbol, deca, npp, hgh as well as all manner of testosterone and was really looking forward to 260 lbs and 8% bf by next october. Also all blood work g2g. With a full year of blasting starting next week i feel a bit like a kid right before christmas that can only play with one toy. That said, if your right, your right...

    Thanks ron, glad to be back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cbr600 View Post
    i have been reading the last month about an hour to two hours a day trying to take in as much info as i can, most of it ends up being repeat but this was new to me. And makes alot of sense when you think about it.
    you are correct in your thinking. Even the great leee haney just came out with an article in muscular development which is very similar to slingshot training. He learned those joints need a break after about 8 weeks or so of hard training and a deload is in order. Lee deloaded by reducing training volume to only 3 days per week.
    Last edited by Ronnie Rowland; 02-07-2012 at 09:12 AM.

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    hi ronnie,

    i just posted this, but maybe you can help as well! thanks!

    my hubby and i started on a 24 week hgh cycle about 8 weeks ago.
    in addition to this, the "doctor" put him on a 10 week cycle of test , as his levels were very low.

    he is taking 1ML of test ciponate(20mg\ml) once a week, with a shot of B12. he also takes a .5MG of anasrtozole twice a week. then, after the 10 weeks, the "doctor" gave him 50MG of clomiphene citrate and 11,000 of HCG .

    i have been doing a lot of research, but as i am not into the "lingo" that the heavy lifters use, alot of it has gone over my head!

    he is enjoying the effects that the test is having with his lifting(he is not a body builder, but lifts 3-5 times a week), and we are both enjoying the other effects the added test levels are having(wink wink!)

    so my questions are...

    does all that he is taking sound kinda right?
    if he wants to start another cycle of test , how long should he wait in between?
    i am trying to avoid going back to this "doctor" as the mark up on his product is huge(like 3 times!!), so...where can i get *************edit we can't ask for sources, ***** too many cops and scammers on these forums..

    really, what i need is for someone to tell me exactly what you think he needs(the test and all the stuff so he doesnt get the man boobs and the tiny balls!)

    thanks so much!

    karen
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    Thank you ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mk18 View Post
    hi ronnie,

    i just posted this, but maybe you can help as well! Thanks!

    My hubby and i started on a 24 week hgh cycle about 8 weeks ago.
    In addition to this, the "doctor" put him on a 10 week cycle of test , as his levels were very low.

    He is taking 1ml of test ciponate(20mg\ml) once a week, with a shot of b12. He also takes a .5mg of anasrtozole twice a week. Then, after the 10 weeks, the "doctor" gave him 50mg of clomiphene citrate and 11,000 of hcg .

    I have been doing a lot of research, but as i am not into the "lingo" that the heavy lifters use, alot of it has gone over my head!

    He is enjoying the effects that the test is having with his lifting(he is not a body builder, but lifts 3-5 times a week), and we are both enjoying the other effects the added test levels are having(wink wink!)

    so my questions are...

    Does all that he is taking sound kinda right?
    If he wants to start another cycle of test , how long should he wait in between? karen, i would have him begin with a 20 week cycle of test. First 8 weeks do 500-750 mgs per week then after 8 weeks go back to 200-300 weekly for 2 weeks then go back on for another 8 weeks at 750-1000 per week then back off for 2 weeks using 2-300 weekly. Then go off higher dosages of test for 4-6 weeks. He could keep 200 mgs in there per week and still use hcg but i would not run the clomid during cycle as its best used when coming off steroids. Clomid can cause a male to become emotional like a female..!!! Keep the hcg in so his balls dont shrink and not everyone gets gyno (man boobs) while taking test. I am on hormone repla***ent therapy by an endocrinologist and it's never bothered my nipples. Some people are prone but many are not. Is he prone to gyno? Does he have painful nipples when running test? If not, then no worries!!!
    i am trying to avoid going back to this "doctor" as the mark up on his product is huge(like 3 times!!), so...where can i get *************edit we can't ask for sources, ***** too many cops and scammers on these forums..obviously i do not deal in steroids-hence the reason i am not afraid to put my name and face out in the open. I have however had experiences in the past and currently help give advice to others
    really, what i need is for someone to tell me exactly what you think he needs(the test and all the stuff so he doesnt get the man boobs and the tiny balls!)

    thanks so much!

    Karen
    above
    Last edited by Ronnie Rowland; 01-27-2012 at 06:20 PM.

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    great post

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    i was just wondering is this D-Anabol 25 that there selling and advertising on these websites any good or for that matter is it anything like the real Dianabol? let me know if ya have any knowledge on this perticular item i whould greatly appreciate it thanks

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    Some post-operative back photos

    I apologize for my absense but I have been having a very difficult time trying to recovering from the severe pain from a 4-level spinal fusion I had just 3 weeks ago. I attached a couple of photos just to give you an idea of what I am going through. I was also cut on both hips where bone was removed which is awfully painful. I have been to the emergency room 4 times post surgery for morphine shots because the oral meds was not controlling my pain. My doctor is 7 hours away which makes it tough.

    My back surgeon is one of the best in the world and has me standing up straighter. He's also to my amazement fixed my right leg that was 1/2 inch shorter than my left leg from being wrongly fused by another orthopaedic years ago. I'll be back better than ever but it's going to take me some time. When I feel up to it I'll get to everyones questions.

    Thank you,
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    Good luck an your recovery. I honestly can't imagine how painful that must be. I hope the worst is behind you.

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    I have a question... I'm a new user and current taking 200ML of depo cyn from my Dr every 2 weeks and I am thinking about adding T400 myself on the in between weeks. What say you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrome View Post
    I have a question... I'm a new user and current taking 200ML of depo cyn from my Dr every 2 weeks and I am thinking about adding T400 myself on the in between weeks. What say you?
    Adding some t400 would work great. The depo from your doc would keep your homones better balanced if he were to prescribe 200 mgs weekly.

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    Guys I've been slacking on answering questions because I have been pre-occupied with rehabbing my back and getting back to work. I am feeling much better now. I plan to have all of your questions anwered in the next 7 days..

    Thank you for your support,
    Ronnie

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