You'll want to read this!

[slowpoison]

yeah. this my first post here, but i think ill post my questions after you are in a state to answer them. till then TC & wish ur wife the best

[slowpoison]

if im taking proviron to prevent gyno frm the start, wat is the usual dosage that will not supress growth?

[Kenlie]

Thanks Ronnie for your advices. I will decrease the amount of meat I eat, and increase the eggwhites. I already suspected it was from too much meat, thanks for confirming this.

How ever, I would still like to know your view on this:

I plan to buy 2x5000iu and put 10000iu divided into 5 syringes (to fridge) and inject 2000iu every other day, for 10 days.(or 1000iu eod for 20 days better?)

I think that using 1000iu for longer time would be better, because injecting 2000iu eod would last only 9 days total?

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=Kenlie;6036980]Thanks Ronnie for your advices. I will decrease the amount of meat I eat, and increase the eggwhites. I already suspected it was from too much meat, thanks for confirming this.

How ever, I would still like to know your view on this:


I think that using 1000iu for longer time would be better, because injecting 2000iu eod would last only 9 days total? Go with 1000ius eod and run for longer..[/QUOTE]above

[Ronnie Rowland]

if im taking proviron to prevent gyno frm the start, wat is the usual dosage that will not supress growth?

Proviron will not reduce estrogen levels to the point of retarding growth like letrozole or nolvadex can do. You don't need massive amounts of estrogen to make gains and having too much estogen is not healthy. Having enough estrogen present is key for all functions! Try 50 mgs per day. I have found masterone to be more effective at controlling estrogen than proviron but the anti-estrogenic properties of both proviron and masterone have demonstrated similar activity. For example: Proviron and Masteron have been successfully used as therapies for gynecomastia and breast cancer due to their mild anti-estrogenic effect but only masterone increases muscle mas so spedning your money on that drug is always advisable! A stronger estrogen reducing effect from drugs such as aromasin or even letro may be required given these two drugs do not control your gyno but let's hope not because they are very harsh on the human body. Also, too much prolactin can cause gyno which requires cabergoline. I've never had gyno or too high of estrogen but I have had issues with prolactin levels and I take caber to fix that problem.

[Kenlie]

Finally I've read ALL 101 pages of this thread, and it took me 2 weeks, but I want to give a big applaud to Ronnie for all the advices and information here. I have so much more understanding of how these things work, and what is the HEALTHIEST and at the same time very effective way to start using steroids.
I've decided to not go as far and start using tren(even later), but I will go for Test Enan(or susta), with Deca, and will give some dbol a try later(not large amounts). Also, I had no idea that Hcg was so important in PCT and now I just today ordered it for my pct. Really glad I did the reading, because I want kids in the future.

What I find interesting now, that after reading this thread, I find myself interested about adding masteron in some point, as it sounds like it could add some positives.
Also, little bit puzzled of what part of the cycle should I add it... I'll so some research of this...

So, once again thanks Ronnie, you are true specialist and expert in this area.

[The Titan99]

Hey Ron, what's the difference between caber and prami and which do you prefer/recommend? I just can't seem to get my hand on caber anymore so I got a couple of bottles of prami instead.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ron, what's the difference between caber and prami and which do you prefer/recommend? I just can't seem to get my hand on caber anymore so I got a couple of bottles of prami instead.

A brief summary: liquid Prami is similar to cabergoline. Pramipexole acts as a dopamine agonist. Dopamine's main function as a hormone is to inhibit the release of prolactin from the anterior lobe of the pituitary.


Cabergoline is a selective dopamine receptor agonist. This drug has a strong affinity for the dopamine D2 receptor. Cabergoline works to inhibit secretion of prolactin because it is a dopamine receptor agonist. This means that it acts upon dopamine receptors in the same way as dopamine does in the body. .05 mgs twice a week is usually plenty even while using tren and deca.

Be very careful with liquid prami as overdosing is easy to do and has put people in the ER. I highly recommend pharm grade carber that comes in tablets for thsoe who can get it!

[The Titan99]

A brief summary: liquid Prami is similar to cabergoline. Pramipexole acts as a dopamine agonist. Dopamine's main function as a hormone is to inhibit the release of prolactin from the anterior lobe of the pituitary.


Cabergoline is a selective dopamine receptor agonist. This drug has a strong affinity for the dopamine D2 receptor. Cabergoline works to inhibit secretion of prolactin because it is a dopamine receptor agonist. This means that it acts upon dopamine receptors in the same way as dopamine does in the body. .05 mgs twice a week is usually plenty even while using tren and deca.

Be very careful with liquid prami as overdosing is easy to do and has put people in the ER. I highly recommend pharm grade carber that comes in tablets for thsoe who can get it!

So what would be a good, safe dose to start out with on the Prami

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=The Titan99;6045805]So what would be a good, safe dose to start out with on the Prami[/QUOTE].1ml at bedtime is a good place to start because this is a powerful drug can can produce multiple side effects.

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=Kenlie;6039387]Finally I've read ALL 101 pages of this thread, and it took me 2 weeks, but I want to give a big applaud to Ronnie for all the advices and information here. I have so much more understanding of how these things work, and what is the HEALTHIEST and at the same time very effective way to start using steroids.
I've decided to not go as far and start using tren(even later), but I will go for Test Enan(or susta), with Deca, and will give some dbol a try later(not large amounts). Also, I had no idea that Hcg was so important in PCT and now I just today ordered it for my pct. Really glad I did the reading, because I want kids in the future.

What I find interesting now, that after reading this thread, I find myself interested about adding masteron in some point, as it sounds like it could add some positives.
Also, little bit puzzled of what part of the cycle should I add it... I'll so some research of this...

So, once again thanks Ronnie, you are true specialist and expert in this area. I recommend adding Masterone with any cycle containing sufficient amounts of aromatizing anabolics (use in all cycles, including your first cycle ever if you are prone to gyno, fearful of gyno, or other estrogen related side effects!)[/QUOTE]above

[JohnnnyBlazzze]

Hey Ronnie,

Long time reader been reading all the materiel you have posted up on this site. I always revert back to your thread when I find myself hitting plateaus.

I've seen a couple questions on here in regards to AAS and cutting..

I'm curious as to what your experience or input is on running a cycle with main goal being to cut BF% and eating in a caloric deficient? Is it useless to eat a caloric deficient diet while on cycle? Or does it have it's benefits?

If so, How would one go about in his/her training split and would you do more or less reps/sets then compared to if you were bulking?

Thanks Ronnie!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ronnie,

Long time reader been reading all the materiel you have posted up on this site. I always revert back to your thread when I find myself hitting plateaus.

I've seen a couple questions on here in regards to AAS and cutting..

I'm curious as to what your experience or input is on running a cycle with main goal being to cut BF% and eating in a caloric deficient? Is it useless to eat a caloric deficient diet while on cycle? Or does it have it's benefits?Using steroids while in a calorie deficit actually can actually have more beenfits than when you are in a calorie overage in terms of improving your health, preventing muscle/bone loss and your overall appearance. Dieting down without steroids causes certain muscle loss and a lack of hardness/vascularity. Steroids were designedby docotors to prevent muscle wasting while in a calorie deficit and you actually require higher dosages to prevent muscle loss than to gain muscle-hence the reason competitors take higher dosages (especially non aromatizing drugs) when prepping for a show.. Bulking up on steroids then trying to diet down without them is like taking 2 steps forward and then 2 steps back! How would one go about in his/her training split and would you do more or less reps/sets then compared to if you were bulking? Your weight training regimine should remain the same. All you need to do is gradually decrease carbs/fats and increase cardio in 2 week increments until you reach your goal. It's also a good idea to slightly increase reps once you hit a point of being really lean due to less water fat present to cushion the joints. Thanks Ronnie!

above

[JohnnnyBlazzze]

above

Thanks Ronnie!

I posted my projected cycle along with a few questions on pg 101 post #4040. Not sure if you might have missed it.

Thanks for the info!

[Kenlie]

Ok, I've decided not to run nolva during the slingshot cycle, but I have it already "on hand" in case I get gyno.
I still haven't run my first cycle, yet.

BUT, I read from gyno thread that nolva would not do anything to stop/prevent gyno after first signs, if it appears. And they instructed to run letro instead, saying that it could actually remove the possible lump, if used right away, after signs.
However I've read elsewhere that only surgery can remove the lump.

What is your view on having letro on hand, instead of nolva? You haven't really talked much about letro, so I'd like to know your view on it? There a good reason why NOT use letro?

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=Kenlie;6040517]Ok, I've decided not to run nolva during the slingshot cycle, but I have it already "on hand" in case I get gyno.
I still haven't run my first cycle, yet.

BUT, I read from gyno thread that nolva would not do anything to stop/prevent gyno after first signs, if it appears. And they instructed to run letro instead, saying that it could actually remove the possible lump, if used right away, after signs.
However I've read elsewhere that only surgery can remove the lump. Nothing is set in stone in terms of being able to get rid of gyno using various anti-es. For example, one of my friends started developing gyno 6 weeks ago using test and deca. To try and counteract the gyno he began using 300 mgsof masterone weekly and it was gone after 3 weeks. He will continue using the masterone! Others in his situation would have needed to go with something stronger such as letro then back down to masteone or aromasin after 2-4 weeks of use. may have needeople are bal eto eliminate the lump permanently with anti-es where as others require surgery. In general, if you get a lump and begin anti-es and get off anabolics that aromatize, the lump will leave until you start back on steroids. The only way to permanetly remove gyno in these situations would be surgically! What is your view on having letro on hand, instead of nolva? Letro is stronger and has more side effects. Some do fine on nolvadex but others require letro. With letro you will get less estrogen rebound and that's a good reason to keep letro on hand instead of nolvadex but the horrific side effects just aren't worth it for many!. You haven't really talked much about letro, so I'd like to know your view on it? There a good reason why NOT use letro? Letro is the strongest yet worst anti-es you can use in terms of your overall health and how you will feel while using it. It's so strong it is widely known for causing severe headaches, joint pain, kills libido, depression, moodiness, lethargicness, bone loss and loss in strength. I don't see the point?? You should feel great while on a cycle not like death! Remember, these stronger anti-es drugs were designed to treat cancer patients (most of whom are on chemotherapy at the time) and they can cause severe long term health consequence because you can't get a firm grip on what these drugs are doing to the body on the inside. I am of the opinion that even though some people do need the strogner anti-es to prevent gyno, there are many who could be spending their money more wisely on masteron to keep estrogen levels low enough to keep their gyno flare ups under control yet not in excess so that it hurts their health or lowers muscle mass gains. People tend to forget that it's okay to have more estrogen while running anabolics like test that aromatize. It's only people whose bodies over produce estrogen in relation to increasing test levels that need to be most concerned and no one has a precise formula as to where exactly estogen levels needs to be while running injectable test but we do know that you can still have what most of us would theorize as excessive estrogen levels even if gyno is not present. Still yet, there's a very high chance that running strong anti-es are as hard as if not harder on your overall health in the long run than estrogen levels being elevated. [COLOR="#FF0000"][U]PLEASE NOTE: MOST DEATHS THAT HAVE BEEN LINKED TO BODYBUILDER'S USING VARIOUS DRUGS IS HEART DISEASE AND LETRO IS VERY BAD FOR YOUR CHOLESTEROL LEVELS! [/U][/COLOR]Getting real masterone from a legit source is key as I am sure there is plenty of fake or watered down products being sold! A good way to know if your masteron is real is that if you go up to around 300mgs or more you will usually notice yourself becoming more irritable and feel a certain increase in libido due to the drugs androgenic properties. A big problem with the stronger class of anti-es is that they lower or destroy sex drive wherein contrast masterone actually improves sex drive. In addition, masterone helps enhance the anabolic efects of testosterone! Who doesn't want that!? QUOTE]above

[MAD King]

Hi Ronnie,

this is a great posting.
I am 47, on HRT for a while with Testo Enan, HCG and Anastrozole E3D.
I train seriously for the last 10 years with 3-4 times per week.
I have a plateau for the last 2 years and would like to get a little bit more muscles.
Do you have any idea how I can convince my doc to get me on Deca and D'Bol?

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=MAD King;6043740]Hi Ronnie,

this is a great posting.
I am 47, on HRT for a while with Testo Enan, HCG and Anastrozole E3D.
I train seriously for the last 10 years with 3-4 times per week.
I have a plateau for the last 2 years and would like to get a little bit more muscles.
Do you have any idea how I can convince my doc to get me on Deca and D'Bol? Absolutely not![/QUOTE]above

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=Ronnie Rowland;6043731]

Ok, I've decided not to run nolva during the slingshot cycle, but I have it already "on hand" in case I get gyno.
I still haven't run my first cycle, yet.

BUT, I read from gyno thread that nolva would not do anything to stop/prevent gyno after first signs, if it appears. And they instructed to run letro instead, saying that it could actually remove the possible lump, if used right away, after signs.
However I've read elsewhere that only surgery can remove the lump. Nothing is set in stone in terms of being able to get rid of gyno using various anti-es. For example, one of my friends started developing gyno 6 weeks ago using test and deca. To try and counteract the gyno he began using 300 mgs of masteron weekly and it was gone after 3 weeks. He will continue using the masteron! Others in his situation would have needed to go with something stronger such as letro then back down to masterone or aromasin after 2-4 weeks of use. may have needeople are bal eto eliminate the lump permanently with anti-es where as others require surgery. In general, if you get a lump and begin anti-es and get off anabolics that aromatize, the lump will leave until you start back on steroids. The only way to permanetly remove gyno in these situations would be surgically! What is your view on having letro on hand, instead of nolva? Letro is stronger and has more side effects. Some do fine on nolvadex but others require letro. With letro you will get less estrogen rebound and that's a good reason to keep letro on hand instead of nolvadex but the horrific side effects just aren't worth it for many!. You haven't really talked much about letro, so I'd like to know your view on it? There a good reason why NOT use letro? Letro is the strongest yet worst anti-es you can use in terms of your overall health and how you will feel while using it. It's so strong it is widely known for causing severe headaches, joint pain, kills libido, depression, moodiness, lethargicness, bone loss and loss in strength. I don't see the point?? You should feel great while on a cycle not like death! Remember, these stronger anti-es drugs were designed to treat cancer patients (most of whom are on chemotherapy at the time) and they can cause severe long term health consequence because you can't get a firm grip on what these drugs are doing to the body on the inside. I am of the opinion that even though some people do need the stronger anti-es to prevent gyno, there are many who could be spending their money more wisely on masteron to keep estrogen levels low enough to keep their gyno flare ups under control yet not in excess so that it hurts their health or lower muscle mass gains. People tend to forget that it's okay to have more estrogen while running anabolics like test that aromatize. It's only theose whose bodies over produce too much estrogen in relation to increasing test levels that need to be most concerned and no one has a precise formula as to where exactly estogen levels needs to be while running injectable test but we do know that you can still have what most of us would theorize as excessive estrogen levels even if gyno is not present. Still yet, there's a very high chance that running strong anti-es are harder or just about as hard on your overall health in the long run than having elevating estrogen levels that are elevated. [COLOR="#FF0000"][U]PLEASE NOTE: MOST DEATHS THAT HAVE BEEN LINKED TO BODYBUILDER'S USING VARIOUS DRUGS IS HEART DISEASE AND LETRO IS VERY BAD FOR YOUR CHOLESTEROL LEVELS! [/U][/COLOR]Getting real masterone from a legit source is key as I am sure there is plenty of fake or watered down products being sold! A good way to know if your masteron is real is that if you go up to around 300mgs or more you will usually notice yourself becoming more irritable and feel a certain increase in libido due to the drugs androgenic properties. A big problem with the stronger class of anti-es is that they lower or destroy sex drive wherein contrast masterone actually improves sex drive. In addition, masterone helps enhance the anabolic efects of testosterone! Who doesn't want that!? QUOTE]above

above

[JohnnnyBlazzze]

Hey Ronnie,

This is what I built up for my cycle using your Deload/Reload main goal here is cutting my BF% to sub 10% and maintaining an possibly gaining some size. I've ran 2 cycles in the past each length only 8 weeks of Prop. This would be my first run with the slingshot method.


Stats -

26
5'11
185
14% BF

Proposed Reload/Deload -

Phase 1

(Reload) Weeks 1-8

500mg Test E/wk

(Deload) Weeks 9-10

250mg Test E/wk

Phase 2

(Reload) Weeks 11-18

500mg Test E/wk
100mg Injectable Winstrol EOD

(Deload) Weeks 19-20

250mg Test E/wk
50mg Injectable Winstrol EOD

*I also have T3/Clen on hand, how would you incorporate this? T3 makes me feel pretty lethargic even at 50mg. Ramp up clen 20mcg every 2 weeks for 8 weeks? Goal is to have Abs as defined as possible.


PCT -

Weeks 21-22 - HCG 2500iu EOD ( Can I run the HCG directly after my last pin of Test E or should I wait the 14 days for the Test to clear?)
Weeks 22-25 - Nolva at 40/20/20/20, Clomid - 100/50/50/50

I also have A-Dex on hand, would you just wait until gyno signs to start using it or incorporate it into my PCT? Also noticed in some other posts you said not to use Nolva if you're not running an anti-e during cycle, would I just run the Nolva and the A-Dex the week after for estro rebound?

Diet -

I consider myself an Endomorph, I tend to gain with ease but have to bust my ass just to loose a little.

Going to follow your carb/cal cycling slingshot during cycle as well.

Since main goal is cutting here, would 1 carb up day be more beneficial vice 2?

RELOAD
Sunday/Monday/Tuesday/Thursday/Friday - 270g Protein, 105g Carbs, 75g Fats(lower the fats?)
Wednesday/Saturday - 180g Protein, 350g Carbs, 25g Fats(To many carbs?)

On deloads the macros would remain the same except bring Protein down to 200g and add the aditional to fats and some carbs so would look like this on Deload

DELOAD

Sunday/Monday/Tuesday/Thursday/Friday - 180g Protein, 105g Carbs, 105g Fats
Wednesday/Saturday - 180g Protein, 350g Carbs, 25g Fats

Do I have a good understanding of the slingshot diet to lower BF% while adding LBM? Granted macro choices related to my stats (185 5'11 14%BF) Goal is to have abs as defined as possible, are these macros in the right ballpark compared to my stats?

For most BF% loss what do you think of Intermittent Fasting diet with these macros(Eating all of it within a 4-6 hour window.) Or would just a regular eating throughout the day diet be more beneficial?

This is what I have built for my training split

RELOAD

1 - Chest, Abs
2 - Delts, Traps
3 - Back, Abs
4 - OFF
5 - Bi's, Tri's, Abs
6 - Legs
7 - OFF

10-12 Sets/6-8 Reps High Volume

Abs will be 6 sets 15-20reps (Lower reps?)


DELOAD

Same Split

4-6 Sets/10-15 Reps Low Volume

Noticed in another post you mentioned to alternate weeks of 1 week 10-12 Sets 6-8 Reps High Volume and 2nd week 4-6 Sets 10-15 Reps Low Volume then repeat. Isn't this the same as Reload/Deload? Or would you just stick to plan I posted above all 8 weeks then lower sets and volume only in deloads?

This is basically everything I've gathered from your reads and I hope I got it all. It's not to detailed but I just want to make sure I'm understanding everything. Appreciate everything you have provided and helped with on here, Great stuff.

Looking forward to hearing back from you Ronnie

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ronnie,

This is what I built up for my cycle using your Deload/Reload main goal here is cutting my BF% to sub 10% and maintaining an possibly gaining some size. I've ran 2 cycles in the past each length only 8 weeks of Prop. This would be my first run with the slingshot method.


Stats -

26
5'11
185
14% BF

Proposed Reload/Deload -

Phase 1

(Reload) Weeks 1-8

500mg Test E/wk(increase to 750 mgs weekly here)
(Deload) Weeks 9-10

250mg Test E/wk

Phase 2

(Reload) Weeks 11-18

500mg Test E/wk(increase to 750 mgs of test here as well)100mg Injectable Winstrol EOD

(Deload) Weeks 19-20

250mg Test E/wk
50mg Injectable Winstrol EOD (use only test during deload by taking out winstrol.)

*I also have T3/Clen on hand, how would you incorporate this? T3 makes me feel pretty lethargic even at 50mg. I would try 33.3mgs max of T-3 because 50 mgs daily is probably going to cause muscle loss without using growth hormone or at least a lot more anabolics.Focus more on diet/cardio. Ramp up clen 20mcg every 2 weeks for 8 weeks? yes! Goal is to have Abs as defined as possible.


PCT -

Weeks 21-22 - HCG 2500iu EOD ( Can I run the HCG directly after my last pin of Test E or should I wait the 14 days for the Test to clear?) Best to start on it 7 days after your last shot.Weeks 22-25 - Nolva at 40/20/20/20, Clomid - 100/50/50/50 Looks good except no nolvadex is needed!

I also have A-Dex on hand, would you just wait until gyno signs to start using it or incorporate it into my PCT? Use only if gyno appears. I would have added masteron to this cycle to make abs more visible! Also noticed in some other posts you said not to use Nolva if you're not running an anti-e during cycle, would I just run the Nolva and the A-Dex the week after for estro rebound? There would be no estrogen rebound during pct because when you quit taking test there is none left to aromatize into estrogen.
Diet -

I consider myself an Endomorph, I tend to gain with ease but have to bust my ass just to loose a little.

Going to follow your carb/cal cycling slingshot during cycle as well.

Since main goal is cutting here, would 1 carb up day be more beneficial vice 2?I would try carbing up on saturdays only since you are endomorph. If you start feeling too depleted then do a small/medium carb up on wednesdays is in order.RELOAD
Sunday/Monday/Tuesday/Thursday/Friday - 270g Protein, 105g Carbs, 75g Fats(lower the fats?)For starters take fats down to 50 per day and increase carbs to 150 per day.Wednesday/Saturday - 180g Protein, 350g Carbs, 25g Fats(To many carbs?)fine for saturday but go up to only 200 on wednesday

On deloads the macros would remain the same except bring Protein down to 200g and add the aditional to fats and some carbs so would look like this on Deload If you are in a pure cutting phase you do not need to deload.You would relaod with test/winstrol all the way through for as long as it took to get the fat off!
DELOAD

Sunday/Monday/Tuesday/Thursday/Friday - 180g Protein, 105g Carbs, 105g Fats
Wednesday/Saturday - 180g Protein, 350g Carbs, 25g Fats

Do I have a good understanding of the slingshot diet to lower BF% while adding LBM? Granted macro choices related to my stats (185 5'11 14%BF) Goal is to have abs as defined as possible, are these macros in the right ballpark compared to my stats?

For most BF% loss what do you think of Intermittent Fasting diet with these macros(Eating all of it within a 4-6 hour window.) Or would just a regular eating throughout the day diet be more beneficial?

This is what I have built for my training split

RELOAD

1 - Chest, Abs
2 - Delts, Traps
3 - Back, Abs
4 - OFF
5 - Bi's, Tri's, Abs
6 - Legs
7 - OFF

10-12 Sets/6-8 Reps High Volume

Abs will be 6 sets 15-20reps (Lower reps?)


DELOAD

Same Split

4-6 Sets/10-15 Reps Low Volume

Noticed in another post you mentioned to alternate weeks of 1 week 10-12 Sets 6-8 Reps High Volume and 2nd week 4-6 Sets 10-15 Reps Low Volume then repeat. Isn't this the same as Reload/Deload? Or would you just stick to plan I posted above all 8 weeks then lower sets and volume only in deloads?

This is basically everything I've gathered from your reads and I hope I got it all. It's not to detailed but I just want to make sure I'm understanding everything. Appreciate everything you have provided and helped with on here, Great stuff.

Looking forward to hearing back from you Ronnie

above

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ronnie,

This is what I built up for my cycle using your Deload/Reload main goal here is cutting my BF% to sub 10% and maintaining an possibly gaining some size. I've ran 2 cycles in the past each length only 8 weeks of Prop. This would be my first run with the slingshot method.


Stats -

26
5'11
185
14% BF

Proposed Reload/Deload -

Phase 1

(Reload) Weeks 1-8

500mg Test E/wk

(Deload) Weeks 9-10

250mg Test E/wk

Phase 2

(Reload) Weeks 11-18

500mg Test E/wk
100mg Injectable Winstrol EOD

(Deload) Weeks 19-20

250mg Test E/wk
50mg Injectable Winstrol EOD

*I also have T3/Clen on hand, how would you incorporate this? T3 makes me feel pretty lethargic even at 50mg. Ramp up clen 20mcg every 2 weeks for 8 weeks? Goal is to have Abs as defined as possible.


PCT -

Weeks 21-22 - HCG 2500iu EOD ( Can I run the HCG directly after my last pin of Test E or should I wait the 14 days for the Test to clear?)
Weeks 22-25 - Nolva at 40/20/20/20, Clomid - 100/50/50/50

I also have A-Dex on hand, would you just wait until gyno signs to start using it or incorporate it into my PCT? Also noticed in some other posts you said not to use Nolva if you're not running an anti-e during cycle, would I just run the Nolva and the A-Dex the week after for estro rebound?

Diet -

I consider myself an Endomorph, I tend to gain with ease but have to bust my ass just to loose a little.

Going to follow your carb/cal cycling slingshot during cycle as well.

Since main goal is cutting here, would 1 carb up day be more beneficial vice 2?

RELOAD
Sunday/Monday/Tuesday/Thursday/Friday - 270g Protein, 105g Carbs, 75g Fats(lower the fats?)
Wednesday/Saturday - 180g Protein, 350g Carbs, 25g Fats(To many carbs?)

On deloads the macros would remain the same except bring Protein down to 200g and add the aditional to fats and some carbs so would look like this on Deload

DELOAD

Sunday/Monday/Tuesday/Thursday/Friday - 180g Protein, 105g Carbs, 105g Fats
Wednesday/Saturday - 180g Protein, 350g Carbs, 25g Fats

Do I have a good understanding of the slingshot diet to lower BF% while adding LBM? Granted macro choices related to my stats (185 5'11 14%BF) Goal is to have abs as defined as possible, are these macros in the right ballpark compared to my stats?

For most BF% loss what do you think of Intermittent Fasting diet with these macros(Eating all of it within a 4-6 hour window.) Or would just a regular eating throughout the day diet be more beneficial?

This is what I have built for my training split

RELOAD

1 - Chest, Abs
2 - Delts, Traps
3 - Back, Abs
4 - OFF
5 - Bi's, Tri's, Abs
6 - Legs
7 - OFF

10-12 Sets/6-8 Reps High Volume(for size I like a combination of 6-12 reps per sets but once you get really lean I would suggest staying at around 10-15 reps per set to spare the joints as much as possible.)
Abs will be 6 sets 15-20reps (Lower reps?)


DELOAD

Same Split

4-6 Sets/10-15 Reps Low Volume this is pefect for a deload if you follow this route
Noticed in another post you mentioned to alternate weeks of 1 week 10-12 Sets 6-8 Reps High Volume and 2nd week 4-6 Sets 10-15 Reps Low Volume then repeat. Isn't this the same as Reload/Deload? No its not the same because when you alternate between heavy and light weeksduring reloads your volume does not decrease as it does in a deload!Or would you just stick to plan I posted above all 8 weeks then lower sets and volume only in deloads?You can do it either way![U][/U]I woud lower sets only in deloads but if you are in a pre-contest cutting phase you skip the deload and keep volume high and you do not decrease anabolics.You would also increase anabolics during last 8 weeks before a show.This is basically everything I've gathered from your reads and I hope I got it all. It's not to detailed but I just want to make sure I'm understanding everything. Appreciate everything you have provided and helped with on here, Great stuff.

Looking forward to hearing back from you Ronnie

above..finished second part of this questions. Note: It would be great if you guys could split up your answers in different post like vascularvince does so I have time to get each one fully answered. I can't often spend a lot of time on one post so please spread out your questions in multiple post..Thank you guys!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Note: It would be best if you guys could split up your answers in different post like vascularvince does so I have time to get each one fully answered. I can't often spend a lot of time on one post answering multiple questions so please spread out your questions in multiple post to the best of your ability..Thank you guys!

[slowpoison]

Proviron will not reduce estrogen levels to the point of retarding growth like letrozole or nolvadex can do. You don't need massive amounts of estrogen to make gains and having too much estogen is not healthy. Having enough estrogen present is key for all functions! Try 50 mgs per day. I have found masterone to be more effective at controlling estrogen than proviron but the anti-estrogenic properties of both proviron and masterone have demonstrated similar activity. For example: Proviron and Masteron have been successfully used as therapies for gynecomastia and breast cancer due to their mild anti-estrogenic effect but only masterone increases muscle mas so spedning your money on that drug is always advisable! A stronger estrogen reducing effect from drugs such as aromasin or even letro may be required given these two drugs do not control your gyno but let's hope not because they are very harsh on the human body. Also, too much prolactin can cause gyno which requires cabergoline. I've never had gyno or too high of estrogen but I have had issues with prolactin levels and I take caber to fix that problem.

wow! thanks Ron for all that useful info, but help me out on this one then; Im doing 50 dbol, equipoise 400 & cypionate 400 for 10wks adding masteron to top it up, will that be a good idea? if yes then how much will be ideal? thanks

I am very sorry to hear this and I have a few questions as it's impossible to give a direct answer other wise. Are you getting your test from the same soruce and was your sex drive good on this same test 12 weeks prior? Also, have you been running any orals, tren or deca? I have three thoughts and in this particular order: 1) You have got hold of some bunk test and proviron. 2) You have puffy nipples which tells me you might have high prolactin levels and you need some cabergoline. The proviron would lower estrogen levels and increase androgen levels enough to increase sex drive) 3) You have high blood pressure which decreases blood flow to the penis-hence decreasing sex drive and your ability to get an erection.

now just to clarify, my condition as stated above is similar. I have puffy nipples with enlargement of the areola and the area around is puffy too. however there are no lumps that i can feel. is this because of prolactin or is it progesterone gyno. with reference to my query above will masteron solve the problem?if yes then what amt would be ideal? thanks again!

[VASCULAR VINCE]

Difference between..armidex..n...aromasin???please!!!

[VASCULAR VINCE]

#1 exercise for glute..ham..tie..ins???

[Ronnie Rowland]

#1 exercise for glute..ham..tie..ins???Smith machine Super Lunges using a step-up often utilized in aerobic classes.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

Difference between..armidex..n...aromasin???please!!! Arimidex is better at inhibiting sulfatase than it is estradiol. Your main concern should be estradiol. Arimidex competes with testosterone for the aromatase as a way of inhibiting the conversion you would get from aromatase. Therefore, when you come off you get an estrogen rebound.
Aromasin does not compete. It bascially comits suicide by clinging on to the aromatase and killing it. Therefore, aromasin does a little better job at reducing estradiol and there is no estrogen rebound when you come off of it because the aromatase has been destroyed-hence making in more user friendly for many to use long term, but not everyone!

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[slowpoison]

just in case you may have missed my post:

Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowland
Proviron will not reduce estrogen levels to the point of retarding growth like letrozole or nolvadex can do. You don't need massive amounts of estrogen to make gains and having too much estogen is not healthy. Having enough estrogen present is key for all functions! Try 50 mgs per day. I have found masterone to be more effective at controlling estrogen than proviron but the anti-estrogenic properties of both proviron and masterone have demonstrated similar activity. For example: Proviron and Masteron have been successfully used as therapies for gynecomastia and breast cancer due to their mild anti-estrogenic effect but only masterone increases muscle mas so spedning your money on that drug is always advisable! A stronger estrogen reducing effect from drugs such as aromasin or even letro may be required given these two drugs do not control your gyno but let's hope not because they are very harsh on the human body. Also, too much prolactin can cause gyno which requires cabergoline. I've never had gyno or too high of estrogen but I have had issues with prolactin levels and I take caber to fix that problem.


wow! thanks Ron for all that useful info, but help me out on this one then; Im doing 50 dbol , equipoise 400 & cypionate 400 for 10wks adding masteron to top it up, will that be a good idea? if yes then how much will be ideal? thanks

Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowland
I am very sorry to hear this and I have a few questions as it's impossible to give a direct answer other wise. Are you getting your test from the same soruce and was your sex drive good on this same test 12 weeks prior? Also, have you been running any orals, tren or deca ? I have three thoughts and in this particular order: 1) You have got hold of some bunk test and proviron . 2) You have puffy nipples which tells me you might have high prolactin levels and you need some cabergoline. The proviron would lower estrogen levels and increase androgen levels enough to increase sex drive) 3) You have high blood pressure which decreases blood flow to the penis-hence decreasing sex drive and your ability to get an erection.


now just to clarify, my condition as stated above is similar. I have puffy nipples with enlargement of the areola and the area around is puffy too. however there are no lumps that i can feel. is this because of prolactin or is it progesterone gyno . with reference to my query above will masteron solve the problem?if yes then what amt would be ideal? thanks again!

[Ronnie Rowland]

wow! thanks Ron for all that useful info, but help me out on this one then; Im doing 50 dbol, equipoise 400 & cypionate 400 for 10wks adding masteron to top it up, will that be a good idea? if yes then how much will be ideal? Use 300 mgs of masteron weekly. I would disregard EQ for future cycles thanks



now just to clarify, my condition as stated above is similar. I have puffy nipples with enlargement of the areola and the area around is puffy too. however there are no lumps that i can feel. is this because of prolactin or is it progesterone gyno. with reference to my query above will masteron solve the problem? The accumulation of glandular tissue focused under the areola can be due to gyno or excess fat which can be remedied by targeted exercises to work the lower chest and losing body fat.I would focus on decline presses, a stricter diet to lose body fat, 300- 600 mgs of masteron weekly and get some carber or prami. If that does not work then add aromasin into the mix until it subsides then try using only masterone and carber or praim to keep it under control. In addition,the nipple itself will mostly likely get puffy and sometimes darker with prolactin based gyno. It can progress to the point you begin to lactate and your sweat will often have a funky smell.Estrogen based gyno manifest itself as having lumps(quite often painful) in the tissue beneath the nipple.You can have both estrogen/progestin and prolactin gyno at the same time as well. .

Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/47...#ixzz1yUTNouZ2 if yes then what amt would be ideal? thanks again!

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[VASCULAR VINCE]

masterone..vs ..tren for gains???

[Ronnie Rowland]

masterone..vs ..tren for gains??? If you are one of these people who have trouble breathing while on tren then I would say go with masteron. Also, if you cannot use very much test while on tren due to increased side effects and/or cannot sleep on tren which deters growth big-time then you are also a good candidate for masteron over tren. Masteron is a more potent androgen than it appears on paper and it lowers SHBG levels and estrogen. The relatively low anabolic and androgenic ratings that it has don’t really do it justice. It is very capable of producing the hard quality look, fat loss and agression to train harder when combined with test. However, tren is more powerful in terms of gains for those who can do not have severe side effects! Masteron stacks well with testosterone, nandrolone and d-bol. Tren does not stack well with deca for the most part but it does with test and d-bol.

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[travaldavas_taz]

Damn!!!
Awesome post!
Can really help me out one day! Thankz!

[hsvcraig]

Ronnie, can I ask when you say load, pct for 2weeks, reload. Your test levels are still high so doesn't that make the clomid and nolvadex void? as your test levels are still too high for your natural test to try kick in? I would be doing pct rather than bridge as I do worry about losing natural test for good. Also what dosage of clomid and nolvadex would you recommend daily for those 2 weeks? Thanks mate

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ronnie, can I ask when you say load, pct for 2weeks, reload. Your test levels are still high so doesn't that make the clomid and nolvadex void? You dont pct during the 2 week deload, this is done post cycle! You stay on test during deloads. your test levels are still too high for your natural test to try kick in? I would be doing pct rather than bridge as I do worry about losing natural test for good. In this case run 500 of hcg weekly during entire cycle. Next cut out all hcg two weeks before the AAS clear your system. I suggest cutting out hcg at the same time of your last testosterone Enanthate shot during the second week of your deload. In final, do a 3 week pct with hcg at 2500 ius eod when off everything to ensure maximum recovery. Also what dosage of clomid and nolvadex would you recommend daily for those 2 weeks? None! Thanks mate

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[Kenlie]

One more thing about my planned cycle...

if I have 400mg/ml testosterone, where I have 120 test cyp + 120 test enan + 160 testosterone decanoate, then does it make sense to run nandrolone decanoate with it later (in my second 8 weeks)?

What I'm saying, is that when it already has test deca, then does nandro deca still make sense? Or should I just run nothing but testosterone... and then when I get rich by winning in lotto, run masterone with it...

[daniel20]

Ronnie, do you believe that high doses of vitamin b5 (Pantothenic acid) can help with steroid induced acne? I got a fair bit of acne only on my face during my last cycle, (which also could have been from overuse of skin cleaning products) and I want to try and minimise it this time round. I heard 3-5g of vitamin b5 has helped a lot of people. Of course my last resort will be accutane at 10mg ed :/

[The Titan99]

Hey Ron, my energy levels are at an all-time low and my appetite is terrible. I can usually get 5000 cal of clean food in easily and now I'm really struggling with3500-4000. I'm running Test A/Tren A/Mast P at 700 mg along with 400 mg Test E, 350 mg Test P, proviron 50 mg. Also running 8 i.u.'s of GH. I've done all these compounds together and in various combo's AND at a lot higher doses than right now with no problem other than a little insomnia from the tren. Also I'm not over training, actually what I feel to be under training due to postponed workouts because of the energy thing. 2 things I am doing for the first time is 50 mcg's of T3 as well as 50 mg of tbol ed. Do you think it might be because of one of these new compounds that I'm having these problems with energy and appetite? As you can see this is a lot of expensive gear to be on and not eating/training to the max. I'm especially concerned about the appetite. Right now my stats are 255 lbs. 6'2" 10 % BF 47 years old. Whatever you suggest I will implement immediately.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ron, my energy levels are at an all-time low and my appetite is terrible. I can usually get 5000 cal of clean food in easily and now I'm really struggling with3500-4000. I'm running Test A/Tren A/Mast P at 700 mg along with 400 mg Test E, 350 mg Test P, proviron 50 mg. Also running 8 i.u.'s of GH. I've done all these compounds together and in various combo's AND at a lot higher doses than right now with no problem other than a little insomnia from the tren. Also I'm not over training, actually what I feel to be under training due to postponed workouts because of the energy thing. 2 things I am doing for the first time is 50 mcg's of T3 as well as 50 mg of tbol ed. Do you think it might be because of one of these new compounds that I'm having these problems with energy and appetite? T-3 can lower energy and t-bol can lower appetite. Also, if you are running generic GH theres a good chance it's fake. Just ask moderator marcus300 about the validity of generic gh. You really need to be using pharm grade GH like ANSOMONE because who knows what you are really getting if it's chineese UG!? As you can see this is a lot of expensive gear to be on and not eating/training to the max. I'm especially concerned about the appetite. Right now my stats are 255 lbs. 6'2" 10 % BF 47 years old. Whatever you suggest I will implement immediately. Well, since it's summer I would not be too concerned about eating less because you will stay more ripped. This is actually a good thing for summer IMO.If you are trying to gain weight drop the t-bol and t-3. T-3 is for weight loss but can increase hunger so the supressed appetite from the t-bol is what you want. Anadrol does this as well-"helps counteract the increased hunger from t-3". If you get too sluggish drop t-3 to 25-33 daily. 50 is too much for some people!

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[The Titan99]

Hey Ron, my energy levels are at an all-time low and my appetite is terrible. I can usually get 5000 cal of clean food in easily and now I'm really struggling with3500-4000. I'm running Test A/Tren A/Mast P at 700 mg along with 400 mg Test E, 350 mg Test P, proviron 50 mg. Also running 8 i.u.'s of GH. I've done all these compounds together and in various combo's AND at a lot higher doses than right now with no problem other than a little insomnia from the tren. Also I'm not over training, actually what I feel to be under training due to postponed workouts because of the energy thing. 2 things I am doing for the first time is 50 mcg's of T3 as well as 75 mg of tbol ed. Do you think it might be because of one of these new compounds that I'm having these problems with energy and appetite? As you can see this is a lot of expensive gear to be on and not eating/training to the max. I'm especially concerned about the appetite. Right now my stats are 255 lbs. 6'2" 10 % BF 47 years old. Whatever you suggest I will implement immediately.

I think you might have missed this one. Since then, I've dropped the T3 and reduced the Tbol to 50 mg. Also started vitamin B1, B6, B12 injections daily and started Prami at .5 mg ed at bed time. Just now starting to feel better. What do you think it was? I notice not many guy's doing Tbol over 50 mg ed. Makes me feel sorry for guy's who have problems with AAS. Now I know...