You'll want to read this!

[OnTheSauce]

Hey ron, keen try out your slingshot method and also going to start my first test e cycle

1-8 weeks 300mgs a week (reload)
2 weeks 150mgs a week (deload)
1-8 weeks 500mgs a week (reload)
2 weeks 150mgs a week (deload)

Arimidex also on hand just in case i get too bad sides.

Then doing a pct with nolvadex/clomid and hcg.
Im not sure on the ammounts to use for my pct or how long for and was hoping to get some advice on this when you get the chance, also how long after my last injection should I start my pct. Thanks

All your questions can be answered by using the search function. We answer this same question everyday. Adex should be ran during cycle, not on hand in case of Gyno

[The Titan99]

All your questions can be answered by using the search function. We answer this same question everyday. Adex should be ran during cycle, not on hand in case of Gyno

Not accorfding to Ron. You should read his thread. Or maybe just let him answer the questions in his own thread.

[>Good Luck<]

All your questions can be answered by using the search function. We answer this same question everyday. Adex should be ran during cycle, not on hand in case of Gyno

I believe ron isnt a supporter of AI on all cycles but doesnt make a big deal about it because it stirs up shit with the die-hards on the board. Arimidex for me does more harm than good. I beleive that its not always necessary and if you can get awat without it, why not. Some cant and many dont really know. For me, I monitor sides and check blood before and after. If I take ai, it makes me feel like crap

[daniel20]

I believe ron isnt a supporter of AI on all cycles but doesnt make a big deal about it because it stirs up shit with the die-hards on the board. Arimidex for me does more harm than good. I beleive that its not always necessary and if you can get awat without it, why not. Some cant and many dont really know. For me, I monitor sides and check blood before and after. If I take ai, it makes me feel like crap

Completely agree! The use of an AI on cycle is pushed way to much and are becoming "necessary" on cycle by a lot of the "die-hards". Like you said, I believe they do more harm than good as well. I'm currently on 1g test, 250mg tren and 50mg dbol a day and I don't need an AI. No gyno or bad bloating. AI's are overused IMO!!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Completely agree! The use of an AI on cycle is pushed way to much and are becoming "necessary" on cycle by a lot of the "die-hards". Like you said, I believe they do more harm than good as well. I'm currently on 1g test, 250mg tren and 50mg dbol a day and I don't need an AI. No gyno or bad bloating. AI's are overused IMO!!

Very true!

[Ronnie Rowland]

I believe ron isnt a supporter of AI on all cycles but doesnt make a big deal about it because it stirs up shit with the die-hards on the board. Arimidex for me does more harm than good. I beleive that its not always necessary and if you can get awat without it, why not. Some cant and many dont really know. For me, I monitor sides and check blood before and after. If I take ai, it makes me feel like crap

I tried arimidex a couple of times and it was a horrible drug for my body chemistry! What I have found a sarm (nolvadex ) used at 10 mgs only on Monday,Wednesday, and Friday is much more user friendly than anti es. It can actually improve sex drive and energy while employing large amounts of testosterone. The anties can absolutely destroy a person sex drive, joints, and mood. Everyone reacts different to various drugs!

[slimshady01]

I tried arimidex a couple of times and it was a horrible drug for my body chemistry! What I have found a sarm (nolvadex ) used at 10 mgs only on Monday,Wednesday, and Friday is much more user friendly than anti es. It can actually improve sex drive and energy while employing large amounts of testosterone. The anties can absolutely destroy a person sex drive, joints, and mood. Everyone reacts different to various drugs!

Ron I've never heard of this before ,, i have a ton of nolva but always used adex but feel it killsy joints and makes me lethargic , although it could be other things..

Can you elaborate on this , and what do you mean it employs large amounts of test.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ron I've never heard of this before ,, i have a ton of nolva but always used adex but feel it killsy joints and makes me lethargic , although it could be other things..

Can you elaborate on this , and what do you mean it employs large amounts of test.

Lol..I didn't type that statement. Seriously! I typed that post in on my iPad so it must have added those words. Nolvadex can still irritate the joints some but in small amounts not bad at all and it can help libido. But it does not employ large amounts of test. It increases sex drive for some "while employing large amounts of test".

[slimshady01]

Lol..I didn't type that statement. Seriously! I typed that post in on my iPad so it must have added those words. Nolvadex can still irritate the joints some but in small amounts not bad at all and it can help libido. But it does not employ large amounts of test. It increases sex drive for some "while employing large amounts of test".

Lol ,

But you like it better then running a ai? So it doesn't lower estro but stops it from binding and leaving more to flow in your blood?

[OnTheSauce]

maybe just let him answer the questions in his own thread.

Fair enough

[Live for the PUMP]

Quick question for you brother.

I am nearly 32 and been training 12 yrs. My first cycle was less than a year ago (on 2nd currently). Would it be more beneficial for me to do the old fashioned time on = time off for a few yrs before going to the slingshot? Or if I am going to eventually do just get started asap? Also which method do you think is easier on the HPTA/body?

Thanks..LFTP

[Ronnie Rowland]

Quick question for you brother.

I am nearly 32 and been training 12 yrs. My first cycle was less than a year ago (on 2nd currently). Would it be more beneficial for me to do the old fashioned time on = time off for a few yrs before going to the slingshot? Or if I am going to eventually do just get started asap? Also which method do you think is easier on the HPTA/body?

Thanks..LFTP

Time on = time off would be easier on your HPTA. In this case I would recommend a 20 week cycle with 10-20 weeks off. If you stay on year round there's always the possibility of becoming sterile and needing to go on TRT..

[Live for the PUMP]

Time on = time off would be easier on your HPTA. In this case I would recommend a 20 week cycle with 10-20 weeks off. If you stay on year round there's always the possibility of becoming sterile and needing to go on TRT..

Great. Thanks for the feedback. Not sure I want to make that commitment to stay on year round just yet. So in the 20 week cycle you recommend should I do the reload/deload twice then pct? Or is sling shot more for someone who stays on for much longer periods?

[Ronnie Rowland]

Great. Thanks for the feedback. Not sure I want to make that commitment to stay on year round just yet. So in the 20 week cycle you recommend should I do the reload/deload twice then pct? Or is sling shot more for someone who stays on for much longer periods?

Do 20 week Slingshot cycle then pct.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Quick question for you brother.

I am nearly 32 and been training 12 yrs. My first cycle was less than a year ago (on 2nd currently). Would it be more beneficial for me to do the old fashioned time on = time off for a few yrs before going to the slingshot? Or if I am going to eventually do just get started asap? Also which method do you think is easier on the HPTA/body?

Thanks..LFTP

Time on =time off is easier on HPTA but it's also an emotional roller coaster ride.

[TheMass]

Hey Ronnie what is your favorite cycle

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ronnie what is your favorite cycle

I like test, proviron or masteron and GH because I feel good on it. For best results test,tren,masteron or proviron and GH. Would add 10 mgs of nolvadex eod with dbol if wanted less bloat. The sarm does not affect me sexually like antie such as arimidex,aromasin, and Letro given its used at low dosages. In fact, it can increase it when using a lot of aromatizing anabolics.

[Crazy Chris]

Hi Ron!

I've been following this thread for about a year now, and I have to say that your thoughts on AAS, diet and training make so much sense. This thread is really all you need for complete guideance, weather if you are a newbie or a pro.
Your knowledge is so great and your way of sharing that knowledge with the rest of us is just amazing. You have helped so many guys out there and we are all forever thankfull. You are a really great and genuine person, Ron!

And it have been so much fun to read about the rest of you guys in this thread.
All these awesome questions from Vascular Vince.. LOL.. You rock, bro!
And the GREAT Titan... Following your awesome transformation has been so inspiring!

Hopefully I can tribute with some interesting questions as well, or be an inspiration to others in this thread.

I promise to not ask any questions about PCT though.. LOL!!

See ya!
Chris

[The Titan99]

Hey Ron, I going to give this IGF thing a go. I'm currently running 2800 mg Test E/700 NPP/900 Masteron E/100 mg Anadrol/ 50 mg Proviron

I'm going to run all three of these together and try to put on some size before my long cut. My question in what order would this be most beneficial? My current plan is this. I workout from 7:00 pm to 8:30 5 nights a week. What I've been doing is immediately post workout (15 min) I shoot 12 i.u.'s of Novolog followed by 50 g Dextrose, 10 g creatine, 10 g glutamine. 15 minutes later I take 75 g whey protein in water. 45 minutes after that I eat 50-60 g protein/carb meal. This brings me to about 10:00 pm. I go to bed at about10:30/11:00. I do 7 i.u.'s of HGH at 2:00 am. I figure on spot injecting the IFG LR3 after I finish eating. On non workout days I'd be doing the IGF right away in the morning. When would be the best time to inject the MGF? Before the insulin or after. Any variations would be great.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ron, I going to give this IGF thing a go. I'm currently running 2800 mg Test E/700 NPP/900 Masteron E/100 mg Anadrol/ 50 mg Proviron

I'm going to run all three of these together and try to put on some size before my long cut. My question in what order would this be most beneficial? My current plan is this. I workout from 7:00 pm to 8:30 5 nights a week. What I've been doing is immediately post workout (15 min) I shoot 12 i.u.'s of Novolog followed by 50 g Dextrose, 10 g creatine, 10 g glutamine. 15 minutes later I take 75 g whey protein in water. 45 minutes after that I eat 50-60 g protein/carb meal. This brings me to about 10:00 pm. I go to bed at about10:30/11:00. I do 7 i.u.'s of HGH at 2:00 am. I figure on spot injecting the IFG LR3 after I finish eating. On non workout days I'd be doing the IGF right away in the morning. When would be the best time to inject the MGF? Before the insulin or after. Any variations would be great.

I would inject the MGF pre-workout!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hi Ron!

I've been following this thread for about a year now, and I have to say that your thoughts on AAS, diet and training make so much sense. This thread is really all you need for complete guideance, weather if you are a newbie or a pro.
Your knowledge is so great and your way of sharing that knowledge with the rest of us is just amazing. You have helped so many guys out there and we are all forever thankfull. You are a really great and genuine person, Ron!

And it have been so much fun to read about the rest of you guys in this thread.
All these awesome questions from Vascular Vince.. LOL.. You rock, bro!
And the GREAT Titan... Following your awesome transformation has been so inspiring!

Hopefully I can tribute with some interesting questions as well, or be an inspiration to others in this thread.

I promise to not ask any questions about PCT though.. LOL!!

See ya!
Chris

Thank you Chris!

[Quester]

I'm subscribing, Thanks Ron!

[Crazy Chris]

Hey Ron,
Would like to have your thoughts on my cycles.

I am 34 years old, 5'9", 210 lbs and about 15% bf. I intend to be on AAS as long as I feel good, hopefully for the rest of my life, and I will most likely compete in about a year or two.

I am currently on the first week of my 4th straight reload.
My first three reloads looked like this:

1. Test C, 200 mg e3d (475/w).
Dbol, 30 mg ed (210/w).

2. Test C, 250 mg e3d (590/w).
Dbol, 40 mg ed (280/w).

3. Test C, 300 mg e3d (715/w).
Dbol, 50 mg ed (350/w).

I know Dbol three reloads in a row is not recomended, but I haven't had any sides at all and have felt really great. But for my future cycles I will probably go with Dbol every other reload or so.

I have made some impressive gains in both strength and size during theese reloads and I decided from the start to go really slow with increasing the dose to avoid injuries. I'm planning on keep adding 50 mg of test per shot every reload, which adds about 115 mg/w every reload.
Do you think that's a good plan?

My current reload is a 12 week cutting cycle and looks like this (feel free to comment and adjust if necessary):

W 1-12 Test C, 350 mg e3d (815/w).
W 1-12 T3, 25 mcg ed.
W 3-12 Mast E*, 125 mg e3d (300/w).
W 3-12 Deca*, 100 mg ew for joints.
W 5-12 Winstrol, 40 mg ed.
W 5-12 Clen, up dose every week, 40/60/80/100/120/120/120/120 mcg ed.
* Waiting for Mast and Deca to be delivered.

After this cycle I will cruise for about 6 weeks at 200 mg Test C ew.

I would really appreciate your thoughts on this :-)

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ron,
Would like to have your thoughts on my cycles.

I am 34 years old, 5'9", 210 lbs and about 15% bf. I intend to be on AAS as long as I feel good, hopefully for the rest of my life, and I will most likely compete in about a year or two.

I am currently on the first week of my 4th straight reload.
My first three reloads looked like this:

1. Test C, 200 mg e3d (475/w).
Dbol, 30 mg ed (210/w).

2. Test C, 250 mg e3d (590/w).
Dbol, 40 mg ed (280/w).

3. Test C, 300 mg e3d (715/w).
Dbol, 50 mg ed (350/w).

I know Dbol three reloads in a row is not recomended, but I haven't had any sides at all and have felt really great. But for my future cycles I will probably go with Dbol every other reload or so.

I have made some impressive gains in both strength and size during theese reloads and I decided from the start to go really slow with increasing the dose to avoid injuries. I'm planning on keep adding 50 mg of test per shot every reload, which adds about 115 mg/w every reload.
Do you think that's a good plan?

My current reload is a 12 week cutting cycle and looks like this (feel free to comment and adjust if necessary):

W 1-12 Test C, 350 mg e3d (815/w).
W 1-12 T3, 25 mcg ed.
W 3-12 Mast E*, 125 mg e3d (300/w).
W 3-12 Deca*, 100 mg ew for joints.
W 5-12 Winstrol, 40 mg ed.
W 5-12 Clen, up dose every week, 40/60/80/100/120/120/120/120 mcg ed.
* Waiting for Mast and Deca to be delivered.

After this cycle I will cruise for about 6 weeks at 200 mg Test C ew.

I would really appreciate your thoughts on this :-)

Increasing test by approximately 100 mgs every reload is fine until you hit the point of diminishing returns.

[Crazy Chris]

Increasing test by approximately 100 mgs every reload is fine until you hit the point of diminishing returns.

Thanks Ronnie!
Then I'll continue with that protocoll as long as gains are steady.
I feel I want to make the best gains I can with the lowest amount of steroids for as long as possible, rather than increasing doses to fast so I loose my chances of making gains with a lower dose.
Is this the right approach?

[slimshady01]

Ron regarding diet,

Im in my week 4 of Palumbos Keto diet, this always seems to work well for me and keeps the water off giving me that dryer look. Im only taking in 1800 cals a day now and weight is still staying steady but this is a good thing as I seem to be recomping and not plateauing. Im on test prop 100mg EOD and Var at 100mg a day.. These 2 are keeping my muscle stay put which is great. I also just added tren today which I plan to keep in for 6-8 weeks then im taking 8 weeks off at 200mg cyp a week and giving my body a break. Oh and as you know im taking 4iu Jins GH with 100mcg t4 and 25mcg t3.

My question is , Sunday night I have my big cheat, example this sunday, 2 pieces of pizza, 2 hot dogs, 1 burger at a pool party with cookie cake. Then I got home and ate more cookies and had a big bowl of low fat ice cream. The 2 cheats before I averaged around 2lb gain after a cheat which is nothing, it was always gone the next day. This cheat I actually lost a lb lol, I love when that happens!!

I re read your version of Keto and saw that adding another carb day could be beneficial and not stop weight loss. So I will keep my Sunday night cheat with carbs fats, I normally start carbing up around 5pm till I go to bed around 9. My thought was to add a WED night clean carb up, basically I would have the normal first 3 meals of pro fat... Then the last 3 meals I would shift to Protein carbs. On this day would I take my calories to maintenance say around 2500 from the 1800 on low days then on sunday I normally get 3k to 4k.

Here are 2 pics of me at my current, the one in the beach shorts I took this sunday at the pool, the other I was super pumped at the gym,
I still want to lose more fat in my abs , mainly middle and lower, its like I can grab skin fat etc.. The lighting was great in both those pics but you cant always see my abs in direct sunlight.
I want my ABs bone dry all day..


Oh PS. I see you like 2 carb days in a row.. So if you prefer that over my method how would I go about that? Standard Sunday being last 1-3 meals cheat!! Then Monday is it a all day refeed at maintenance or keto first 3 meals then refeed at night?

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ron regarding diet,

Im in my week 4 of Palumbos Keto diet, this always seems to work well for me and keeps the water off giving me that dryer look. Im only taking in 1800 cals a day now and weight is still staying steady but this is a good thing as I seem to be recomping and not plateauing. Im on test prop 100mg EOD and Var at 100mg a day.. These 2 are keeping my muscle stay put which is great. I also just added tren today which I plan to keep in for 6-8 weeks then im taking 8 weeks off at 200mg cyp a week and giving my body a break. Oh and as you know im taking 4iu Jins GH with 100mcg t4 and 25mcg t3.

My question is , Sunday night I have my big cheat, example this sunday, 2 pieces of pizza, 2 hot dogs, 1 burger at a pool party with cookie cake. Then I got home and ate more cookies and had a big bowl of low fat ice cream. The 2 cheats before I averaged around 2lb gain after a cheat which is nothing, it was always gone the next day. This cheat I actually lost a lb lol, I love when that happens!!

I re read your version of Keto and saw that adding another carb day could be beneficial and not stop weight loss. So I will keep my Sunday night cheat with carbs fats, I normally start carbing up around 5pm till I go to bed around 9. My thought was to add a WED night clean carb up, basically I would have the normal first 3 meals of pro fat... Then the last 3 meals I would shift to Protein carbs. On this day would I take my calories to maintenance say around 2500 from the 1800 on low days then on sunday I normally get 3k to 4k.

Here are 2 pics of me at my current, the one in the beach shorts I took this sunday at the pool, the other I was super pumped at the gym,
I still want to lose more fat in my abs , mainly middle and lower, its like I can grab skin fat etc.. The lighting was great in both those pics but you cant always see my abs in direct sunlight.
I want my ABs bone dry all day..


Oh PS. I see you like 2 carb days in a row.. So if you prefer that over my method how would I go about that? Standard Sunday being last 1-3 meals cheat!! Then Monday is it a all day refeed at maintenance or keto first 3 meals then refeed at night?

You look amazing! I do in fact recommend 2 carb meals for those who feel they have to have carbs but that's not my first recommendation. My first recommendation is to skip the once a week carb load on the weekend and fat load instead. I have found that going out of ketosis makes one feel miserable and it's fats, not carbs your body craves when in ketosis. I would stop carbs ups and just fat load on Saturdays!

[fineBody]

Ronnie,

I am planning to do load/reload 2 phases with Test E, Deca, Masteron and Dianabol but now i just want to ask about Dianabol..

You suggested to me before to do 30mg for 8 weeks (phase 1) then 50mg for another 8 weeks (phase 2)

But i found that i have 1000 pills @5mg

So what do you suggest to do now?

Either
6 weeks @25mg and nothing in phase 2
Or
5 weeks @30mg and nothing in phase 2
Or
3 weeks @25mg (phase 1) then another 3 weeks @25mg (phase 2)


Thanks

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ronnie,

I am planning to do load/reload 2 phases with Test E, Deca, Masteron and Dianabol but now i just want to ask about Dianabol..

You suggested to me before to do 30mg for 8 weeks (phase 1) then 50mg for another 8 weeks (phase 2)

But i found that i have 1000 pills @5mg

So what do you suggest to do now?

Either
6 weeks @25mg and nothing in phase 2
Or
5 weeks @30mg and nothing in phase 2
Or
3 weeks @25mg (phase 1) then another 3 weeks @25mg (phase 2)


Thanks

Run 25 mgs for last 3 weeks of each reload. This is called a backload and I feel it's more effective than a front load.

[>Good Luck<]

Ronnie,

I am planning to do load/reload 2 phases with Test E, Deca, Masteron and Dianabol but now i just want to ask about Dianabol..

You suggested to me before to do 30mg for 8 weeks (phase 1) then 50mg for another 8 weeks (phase 2)

But i found that i have 1000 pills @5mg

So what do you suggest to do now?

Either
6 weeks @25mg and nothing in phase 2
Or
5 weeks @30mg and nothing in phase 2
Or
3 weeks @25mg (phase 1) then another 3 weeks @25mg (phase 2)

Thanks

Your math is off bro, you can run what ronnie already suggested... and youll still have leftovers...

8 weeks is 56 days. 56days @ 6 pills(30mg) a day is 336pills

56days @ 10 pills (50mg) will be 560 pills

Remainder: 104 pills


Good luck

[fineBody]

Your math is off bro, you can run what ronnie already suggested... and youll still have leftovers...

8 weeks is 56 days. 56days @ 6 pills(30mg) a day is 336pills

56days @ 10 pills (50mg) will be 560 pills

Remainder: 104 pills

Good luck

Oh, thats correct... I am sorry, its 1am over here

Thanks and good night!

[>Good Luck<]

Oh, thats correct... I am sorry, its 1am over here

Thanks and good night!

Dont be sorry, be happy

[Ronnie Rowland]

Guys I am very sorry For my absence. I am working on completing a book for golds gym and it's taking up all my spare time. Thank you for your patience. You guys and this board means a lot too me!

[Dougiefresh7707]

Guys I am very sorry For my absence. I am working on completing a book for golds gym and it's taking up all my spare time. Thank you for your patience. You guys and this board means a lot too me!

Awesome man let use know when it comes out ill buy for sure.

[Dadstrength]

Hey Ron, I'm retreading your old posts trying to get a grasp on the pct that you outlined. Since you say it's individualistic I have a question I cant find an answer to. You recommend:

Week21-24
Hcg 2500 EOD for 2 weeks
Clomid 50 mgs 2x daily for 4 weeks
Nolva 20 mgs daily for 4 weeks

You mention most people don't need the Clomid since it just makes people emotional and what not. I'm running your basic test cycle.
Week1-8 500 mgs test e
Week 9-10 250 mgs test e
Week 11-18 750 mgs test e
Weeks 19-20 250mgs test e
(saving the hcg for full pct)

I havent used an ai. No signs of gyno. So would you still recommend the Clomid? Or even just the hcg alone?
Sorry for another pct question, lol I'm just trying to follow your training system to the letter.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ron, I'm retreading your old posts trying to get a grasp on the pct that you outlined. Since you say it's individualistic I have a question I cant find an answer to. You recommend:

Week21-24
Hcg 2500 EOD for 2 weeks
Clomid 50 mgs 2x daily for 4 weeks
Nolva 20 mgs daily for 4 weeks

You mention most people don't need the Clomid since it just makes people emotional and what not. I'm running your basic test cycle.
Week1-8 500 mgs test e
Week 9-10 250 mgs test e
Week 11-18 750 mgs test e
Weeks 19-20 250mgs test e
(saving the hcg for full pct)

I havent used an ai. No signs of gyno. So would you still recommend the Clomid? Or even just the hcg alone?
Sorry for another pct question, lol I'm just trying to follow your training system to the letter.

Just hcg..no clomid.

[Dadstrength]

Just hcg..no clomid.

Ok so pct will be:
Weeks 21-24
HCG 2500 EOD for 2 weeks
Nolva 20mgs for 4 weeks
Correct?
One more thing. I'm planning on riding out my 3rd reload natural then following it with another 20 week blast. Question is would I revert bAck to 500mgs a week for 1st reload then bump to 750 for the second reload? Or since it'll be my 2nd 20 week blast should I start with 750 mgs then bump up to 1g a week? Btw I'm running test e cycles.
And how would I know when to start the reloads in the future at higher dosages?
Many thanks again for your time and help.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ok so pct will be:
Weeks 21-24
HCG 2500 EOD for 2 weeks
Nolva 20mgs for 4 weeks
Correct?
One more thing. I'm planning on riding out my 3rd reload natural then following it with another 20 week blast. Question is would I revert bAck to 500mgs a week for 1st reload then bump to 750 for the second reload? Or since it'll be my 2nd 20 week blast should I start with 750 mgs then bump up to 1g a week? Btw I'm running test e cycles.
And how would I know when to start the reloads in the future at higher dosages?
Many thanks again for your time and help.

You can run nolvadex for 4 weeks but it's not mandatory. I would run hcg for 3 weeks not 2 unless you have been running hcg all along.

I would go 750 then 1000 this time around if you want to make maximum progress.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ron, I'm retreading your old posts trying to get a grasp on the pct that you outlined. Since you say it's individualistic I have a question I cant find an answer to. You recommend:

Week21-24
Hcg 2500 EOD for 2 weeks
Clomid 50 mgs 2x daily for 4 weeks
Nolva 20 mgs daily for 4 weeks

You mention most people don't need the Clomid since it just makes people emotional and what not. I'm running your basic test cycle.
Week1-8 500 mgs test e
Week 9-10 250 mgs test e
Week 11-18 750 mgs test e
Weeks 19-20 250mgs test e
(saving the hcg for full pct)

I havent used an ai. No signs of gyno. So would you still recommend the Clomid? Or even just the hcg alone?
Sorry for another pct question, lol I'm just trying to follow your training system to the letter.

Stick to HCG alone.

[hsvcraig]

Hey Ronnie, I read your not a big fan of AI's unless gyno issues arise but Dnt most people feel horrible, lethargic etc with highish estrogen levels? Was wondering your thoughts on this. Thanks for all your info mate, it's outstanding