Nolvadex during the whole cycle. Enough?

[manwitplans]

I've read around for this, and got myself into the newbies threads on this boards, and the cycle for newbies are all listed with:

500mgs test

0.25 arimidex (all the way through cycle)
And: Nolvadex @ 10mg (all the way through)

Both included in the same cycle.
I'm proned to gyno, this I know because of a little puberty gyno, nothing big though, can't nearly see it myself.

The question is:

Is 10mg of nolvadex enough to prevent gyno from occuring, or will I need 20mg throughout?

I'd rather not use both arimidex and nolva due to the fact that I want my estrogen alive and kicking, for strength gains and lipid health.

I really don't care about a little bloat and cosmetic effects of estrogen. And I will control that with diet and a very low body fat percentage when I decide to use.


Hoping for a speedy answer.

[Njord]

I've read around for this, and got myself into the newbies threads on this boards, and the cycle for newbies are all listed with:

500mgs test

0.25 arimidex (all the way through cycle)
And: Nolvadex @ 10mg (all the way through)

Both included in the same cycle.
I'm proned to gyno, this I know because of a little puberty gyno, nothing big though, can't nearly see it myself.

The question is:

Is 10mg of nolvadex enough to prevent gyno from occuring, or will I need 20mg throughout?

I'd rather not use both arimidex and nolva due to the fact that I want my estrogen alive and kicking, for strength gains and lipid health.

I really don't care about a little bloat and cosmetic effects of estrogen. And I will control that with diet and a very low body fat percentage when I decide to use.


Hoping for a speedy answer.

Only you will know the answer to that. Start at 10mg, and if you feel any symptoms bump it up.
You also have the option of running the a-dex by it self throughout your cycle.

[celticd]

if u are only running 500mg test a wk
you should be fine with one or the other....nolva10mg ed or adex .25mg ed
no need to use both

id use arimidex during the cycle and keep the nolva for pct

[manwitplans]

if u are only running 500mg test a wk
you should be fine with one or the other....nolva10mg ed or adex .25mg ed
no need to use both

id use arimidex during the cycle and keep the nolva for pct

Thanks for the input guys. Just quoting this one.
Will arimidex leave me drier, less estrogen then nolvadex?

I've heard that the main use for nolvadex is because of its anti-gyno effect in the breast tissue, not for the reduce of estrogen.

I actually want to hold water during the cycle, water always helps me soothing my joints and making me gain strength, I can handle the estrogenic side effects, as far as I dont develop my gyno more ofcourse.

So what will be the best out of the two for that reason to keep gyno away, and probably have more estrogen in my body.

[Njord]

Thanks for the input guys. Just quoting this one.
Will arimidex leave me drier, less estrogen then nolvadex?

I've heard that the main use for nolvadex is because of its anti-gyno effect in the breast tissue, not for the reduce of estrogen.

I actually want to hold water during the cycle, water always helps me soothing my joints and making me gain strength, I can handle the estrogenic side effects, as far as I dont develop my gyno more ofcourse.

So what will be the best out of the two for that reason to keep gyno away, and probably have more estrogen in my body.

Nolvadex's anti-gyno effect comes from the fact that it reduces the amount of bound estrogen (it competes for the receptor).

[kick6]

Thanks for the input guys. Just quoting this one.
Will arimidex leave me drier, less estrogen then nolvadex?

I've heard that the main use for nolvadex is because of its anti-gyno effect in the breast tissue, not for the reduce of estrogen.

I actually want to hold water during the cycle, water always helps me soothing my joints and making me gain strength, I can handle the estrogenic side effects, as far as I dont develop my gyno more ofcourse.

So what will be the best out of the two for that reason to keep gyno away, and probably have more estrogen in my body.

nolvadex blocks estrogens ability to "work" on certain parts of the body

arimidex blocks the bodies ability to even create estrogen in the first place.

[manwitplans]

^^^^

So what parts get blocked of?
Taken from what you've wrote, it would be much better to take nolvadex if you want to keep estrogen flowing?

[ChuckLee]

I'd stay at 20mg/day of nolva for all the duration. No need for an AI too, since your cycle's gonna be test only.

CL

[kick6]

^^^^

So what parts get blocked of?
Taken from what you've wrote, it would be much better to take nolvadex if you want to keep estrogen flowing?

Read the nolvadex profile on this forum. Its most pronounced ability is to block estrogen from acting on breast tissue. However, it does work in other tissues as well. If you want to keep the estrogen flowing, nolvadex is the better way.

[Merc..]

Have read this thread ??

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...light=estrogen

Nolva lowers IGF ( and can effect your gains )...

Merc.

[ChuckLee]

Have read this thread ??

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...light=estrogen

Nolva lowers IGF ( and can effect your gains )...

Merc.

oops

[manwitplans]

Have read this thread ??

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...light=estrogen

Nolva lowers IGF ( and can effect your gains )...

Merc.

Yep I actually have.
But what do you recommend when I have gyno from puberty?
Nolvadex will help with keeping the estrogen higher then arimidex throughout, so that's better then, for the gains, right?

Would it be wize for a guys like me to start a cycle of say perhaps 500mg test and run it till I get gyno symptoms? I don't think so, since i've already got it, but share your honest opinion on which approach you would do if you were in my shoes.

[Merc..]

oops

LOL.CL. No no .. I was just saying ...

[Merc..]

Yep I actually have.
But what do you recommend when I have gyno from puberty?
Nolvadex will help with keeping the estrogen higher then arimidex throughout, so that's better then, for the gains, right?

Would it be wize for a guys like me to start a cycle of say perhaps 500mg test and run it till I get gyno symptoms? I don't think so, since i've already got it, but share your honest opinion on which approach you would do if you were in my shoes.

Yes, nolva binds the receptor ( but it doesn't lower total estrogen levels )like a AI does ...

Like I said nolva lowers IGF-1 so it can reduce gains as well.. Here is a study showing that nolva has a effect on IGF ( there are tons of studies on this)..

Tamoxifen reduces serum insulin-like growth factor I (IGF-I).Pollak MN, Huynh HT, Lefebvre SP.
McGill University, Montreal, Quebec, Canada.

Antiestrogens are widely used in the management of hormonally responsive breast cancer in both adjuvant and palliative settings, and are currently being evaluated as chemopreventive agents. The classical mechanism of action of these drugs involves inhibition of estrogen-stimulated neoplastic cell proliferation by blockade of estrogen receptors present on breast cancer cells. This paper reviews recent clinical and laboratory data that suggest that the commonly used antiestrogen tamoxifen also acts to reduce serum IGF-I levels. Estrogens appear to play a permissive role in growth hormone (GH) release by the pituitary gland and GH is known to stimulate IGF-I expression by hepatocytes. It is therefore possible that blockade of estrogen receptors in the hypothalamic-pituitary axis by tamoxifen interferes with GH release, leading to reduced hepatic IGF-I expression. In view of results suggesting that IGF-I is a more potent mitogen than estradiol for breast cancer cells and data demonstrating a positive correlation between estrogen receptor level and IGF-I receptor level of breast cancer cells, the IGF-I lowering effect of tamoxifen may contribute to the cytostatic activity of the drug. The interrelationships between steroid hormone physiology and IGF-I physiology may have relevance to a variety of commonly used treatments for hormonally responsive cancers.

PMID: 1421427 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


How bad is your gyno ?? You could look into using nolva .. I was just saying that it can also effect gains ..

Have you considered trying to treat your gyno ? ( using a non surgical method ) ??


Merc.