Xtreme Tren/H Drol Log

[djsir007]

Start stats:
5'9 171 13%bf

Schedule:
Chest/Abs
Back/Cardio
Legs/Abs
Shoulders/Cardi
Bi/Tri/Abs
Flag Football

Diet:
Protien/Carb
Protien/Carb
Protien/Veggie
Protien/Carb
Post Workout Shake
Protien/Carb
Protien (optional)

Supps:
Week 1-4 Xtreme Tren (1 in am, 1 in pm) (non methylated)
Week 5-8 H Drol (1 in am, 1 in pm)
PCT - Anabolic Extreme PCT, Nolv if AE PCT sucks.
Liv52

[djsir007]

I started supps on Friday and today would be the third day.
Shoulder is a little sore and almost broke neck playing football on Sunday.
Dumbell press was ok, but incline hammer strength felt good.
A little more aggression and weighted 174 even after sweating a ton on Sunday.

[wukillabee]

Start stats:
5'9 171 13%bf

Schedule:
Chest/Abs
Back/Cardio
Legs/Abs
Shoulders/Cardi
Bi/Tri/Abs
Flag Football

Diet:
Protien/Carb
Protien/Carb
Protien/Veggie
Protien/Carb
Post Workout Shake
Protien/Carb
Protien (optional)

Supps:
Week 1-4 Xtreme Tren (1 in am, 1 in pm) (non methylated)
Week 5-8 H Drol (1 in am, 1 in pm)
PCT - Anabolic Extreme PCT, Nolv if AE PCT sucks.
Liv52

Why not just stack the 2 and make it a simple 4 week cycle instead of 8? I just prefer shorter cycles if possible to get the best gains and get out. Since its 1 non-methyl and 1 methyl i dont see a problem stacking the 2. I just personally dont like these tren wannabe prohormones that are out now. More like a dht if anything.

[djsir007]

I tried trenadrol and it worked decent. I was not super impressed, but for otc supps I thought it was worth it. No sides.
I heard xtreme tren was better, so I will let you all know.
I thought most of the tren supps were more closely related to progesterone if anything?

[wukillabee]

I tried trenadrol and it worked decent. I was not super impressed, but for otc supps I thought it was worth it. No sides.
I heard xtreme tren was better, so I will let you all know.
I thought most of the tren supps were more closely related to progesterone if anything?

I tried trenadrol and noticed little to nothing from it and never looked back. Some say prog and others dht. To be honest, no one really knows what the hell these tren products are but we all know they do nothing for u like tren so why call it tren? Haha. I just cant trust a product named after a real steroid and says it has the same effects as the real steroid and even claims it will convert into the real steroid. Of course theres no lab essays from these companies proving their bottle label's claims. Oh well, still interested to see how this stack goes for u.

[wukillabee]

Start stats:
5'9 171 13%bf

Schedule:
Chest/Abs
Back/Cardio
Legs/Abs
Shoulders/Cardi
Bi/Tri/Abs
Flag Football

Diet:
Protien/Carb
Protien/Carb
Protien/Veggie
Protien/Carb
Post Workout Shake
Protien/Carb
Protien (optional)

Supps:
Week 1-4 Xtreme Tren (1 in am, 1 in pm) (non methylated)
Week 5-8 H Drol (1 in am, 1 in pm)
PCT - Anabolic Extreme PCT, Nolv if AE PCT sucks.
Liv52

What brand or company makes the liv52 you got? Im trying to find out which is better for methyls, liv52 or liver longer?

[djsir007]

Day 7
I forgot to weight in but I did bi and tri today. My weight jumped a few pounds the first few days and then fell back to 172 over the week, but I think my diet is just rediculously strict and my body is probably freaking out. The pump was quite noticable today and I was ready to keep going, I had too much going on so I had to leave though.

I think I am going to drop the weeks to 3 for each compound.
week 1-3 xtreme tren and week 4-6 h drol. As some of you mentioned 8 weeks is a little long for PHs.

What brand or company makes the liv52 you got? Im trying to find out which is better for methyls, liv52 or liver longer?

Himalaya is the brand.

[wukillabee]

Day 7
I forgot to weight in but I did bi and tri today. My weight jumped a few pounds the first few days and then fell back to 172 over the week, but I think my diet is just rediculously strict and my body is probably freaking out. The pump was quite noticable today and I was ready to keep going, I had too much going on so I had to leave though.

I think I am going to drop the weeks to 3 for each compound.
week 1-3 xtreme tren and week 4-6 h drol. As some of you mentioned 8 weeks is a little long for PHs.


Himalaya is the brand.

You can also bridge ur cycle. i like doing this method if im using 2 new ph's, this gives me an idea of how they work alone and together. On day 14 u can start h-drol. This way days 1-14 u see how this tren product works for u, days 14-21 u see how they work together for u, days 21-37 (however long u want to run it) u get a feel on how h-drol alone works for u. Like weeks 1 and 2 tren, weeks 2-3 tren and h-drol, weeks 3-6 just h-drol.

[ACE5HIGH]

You can also bridge ur cycle. i like doing this method if im using 2 new ph's, this gives me an idea of how they work alone and together. On day 14 u can start h-drol. This way days 1-14 u see how this tren product works for u, days 14-21 u see how they work together for u, days 21-37 (however long u want to run it) u get a feel on how h-drol alone works for u. Like weeks 1 and 2 tren, weeks 2-3 tren and h-drol, weeks 3-6 just h-drol.

I too am am doing this cycle, Im wonding what would be a better/more effective aproach... Running the H-drol with the Tren X for 4 weeks or Tren first and over lapping the H-drol at the end...

Whats your guys opinion and why?

[Mbuffguy]

Fynk

[wukillabee]

I too am am doing this cycle, Im wonding what would be a better/more effective aproach... Running the H-drol with the Tren X for 4 weeks or Tren first and over lapping the H-drol at the end...

Whats your guys opinion and why?

Either or i think you'll get the same end result. Stack em for 4 weeks or bridge em into 6 weeks, its up to u. Just like i said when u quoted me, if im using 2 or even 1 new compound, ill choose to do a bridge cycle to see how they work seperately and together. If ive used them before and already know how i react to them, ill stack em together for the full cycle. Just my opinion but if u havent used either of these compounds then id say do a bridge cus if u stack em for 4 weeks, get shitty sides, whos do blame for the shitty sides, the h-drol or the tren? If u bridge em, you should have a good idea of which one is givin u the shitty sides (if any). Ive only used trenadrol and will never use a tren like ph again, bad sides and no gains. When i used original halo-50 i got great results with zero sides.

[djsir007]

Day 10
176 lbs, that is up 4 pounds from the start.
Wrecked the diet on Saturday, but am back on track and strength was a little stronger today. Did chest and the pump was good.
Will check body fat in a few days, but I started at 13 and was 14.5 the last time I checked it. I feel tighter so I think the machine is crap.

[djsir007]

You can also bridge ur cycle. i like doing this method if im using 2 new ph's, this gives me an idea of how they work alone and together. On day 14 u can start h-drol. This way days 1-14 u see how this tren product works for u, days 14-21 u see how they work together for u, days 21-37 (however long u want to run it) u get a feel on how h-drol alone works for u. Like weeks 1 and 2 tren, weeks 2-3 tren and h-drol, weeks 3-6 just h-drol.

Ill think about this. Got a few days, but like the idea.

[Raja2o9]

im about to jump on this stack too...i ordered it from ft supplements...waiting for to it to come in...i been working out for about a year now...iv gotten cut and a lil bit bigger but i cant seem to put on any pounds...what should i do to get the best results?

[ACE5HIGH]

im about to jump on this stack too...i ordered it from ft supplements...waiting for to it to come in...i been working out for about a year now...iv gotten cut and a lil bit bigger but i cant seem to put on any pounds...what should i do to get the best results?

If you are looking for cycle help you should start your own thread.

[wukillabee]

If you are looking for cycle help you should start your own thread.

Haha, agreed!

[djsir007]

Day 14
Still 176, but the machine said 12.5% BF which is cool, but now I dont trust the damn machine. I do have a good pump, more aggression, and 3 compliments in two days. So far happy with Xtreme Tren, but my left nip is bugging me. Its always my left one. Since this is a projesterone what works best for that Bromo or Nolv? Any of the OTC products work well?

Raja - TF has terrible customer service. I was starting to use them exclusively, but one order took forever and they had poor communication. Then I am having an issue with my Muscle Milk RTD shakes being lumpy from my third order. Its nasty as hell and they wont write back so I am done with them.

[Raja2o9]

ya TF has poor costumer service...its hard to contact them because theres no phone number and they never repley back to messages...i just recieved my xtreme tren yestoday...starting taking it today...gona stack it with h drol in about 2-3 weeks...hope i get good results...

[ACE5HIGH]

Day 14
Still 176, but the machine said 12.5% BF which is cool, but now I dont trust the damn machine. I do have a good pump, more aggression, and 3 compliments in two days. So far happy with Xtreme Tren, but my left nip is bugging me. Its always my left one. Since this is a projesterone what works best for that Bromo or Nolv? Any of the OTC products work well?

Raja - TF has terrible customer service. I was starting to use them exclusively, but one order took forever and they had poor communication. Then I am having an issue with my Muscle Milk RTD shakes being lumpy from my third order. Its nasty as hell and they wont write back so I am done with them.

I didnt want to run Tren without an AI handy and boy Im glad I got some L-dex, im finding bloat to be an issue with the tren. Sounds like you could use some...

Btw, Ive found "Attack" from kilo sports to be very effective as far as OTC AI's go... or maybe some 6-OXO

[djsir007]

I dont really have any bloat. Also if this stuff really is progesterone related I dont think the ldex will do crap for the gyno. It needs to be bromo or some other progesterone blocker. My left nip is always sensitive and it might even be psychological. Ill look around for the progesterone AIs. Im pretty sure though it is different from the estrogen gyno.

[djsir007]

ya TF has poor costumer service...its hard to contact them because theres no phone number and they never repley back to messages...i just recieved my xtreme tren yestoday...starting taking it today...gona stack it with h drol in about 2-3 weeks...hope i get good results...

TF Supplements has a number in their privacy policy page. Took me awhile to find it. The service is horrible though. I really tried to give them a chance, but two out of three orders had issues and trying to contact them was very difficult.

[ACE5HIGH]

Try 150-200 mg a day of P5P for the prolactin issues, its basicly high dose B6 without being dangerous to the nerves

[djsir007]

Try 150-200 mg a day of P5P for the prolactin issues, its basicly high dose B6 without being dangerous to the nerves

Got it, on it.
Thanks.

[djsir007]

Day 16
175 look leaner and definitely stronger today on chest.
My diet is pretty strong though so I am attributing the leaness to the diet and the strength to the xtren. Maybe I am not gaining much weight because of the diet? My calories are not too low though.

Honestly I think Epi is better and I am jumping on the hdrol on friday. dropping the xtren all together on thursday, that will have been 3 weeks.

Any thoughts on 1 week xtren, then 1 week hdrol and alternate for a few weeks? Has anyone tried that? I was thinking maybe next time.

I know I just started the p5p but I am a little nervous and it doesnt feel any better so I am taking some tamox 20mg till I feel better.

[wukillabee]

Day 16
175 look leaner and definitely stronger today on chest.
My diet is pretty strong though so I am attributing the leaness to the diet and the strength to the xtren. Maybe I am not gaining much weight because of the diet? My calories are not too low though.

Honestly I think Epi is better and I am jumping on the hdrol on friday. dropping the xtren all together on thursday, that will have been 3 weeks.

Any thoughts on 1 week xtren, then 1 week hdrol and alternate for a few weeks? Has anyone tried that? I was thinking maybe next time.

I know I just started the p5p but I am a little nervous and it doesnt feel any better so I am taking some tamox 20mg till I feel better.

Id sa start the hdrol the same day u stop the tren so theres not a day delay inbetween. Also, just drop the tren altogether and go with hdrol for at least i weeks, id say go 4 weeks of it at 50/75/75/75. With ur stats i think this would be a good dose to have great results from hdrol. Doesnt matter if its progesterone gyno or not, an ai like l-dex or letro while on cycle at a low dose will help with ur nip problem. Just try l-dex at .25mg eod and increase from there as needed or letro at .25 eod and adjust from there as well. A low dose like that wont hinder much of ur gains and should resolve ur problem pretty quick and even quicker once u drop the tren crap and get on the h-drol since h-drol doesnt aromatize while on and doesnt give nasty if any sides like the ones ur gettin from the tren. Sorry, i just dont like these tren wannabe ph's out there. Always too many bad sides for minimal gains, not worth it for me at least. Glad to hear u training is goin strong and u got ur diet down, should really make some gains while on hdrol and should keep most if not all as well. I was also dieting while on my halo-50/11-oxo cycle and lost fat and gained some lean mass at the same time and now 12 days into pct havent lost a pound of muscle or size and kept the fat loss!

[wukillabee]

Oh, just looked over ur first post and says ur only gonn do an otc pct product and maybe nolva? If u read the stickys up top you'll see that when u take a progesterone type ph like tren u dont want to take nolva at all cus it will make progesterone sides worse, same goes with reall aas tren and nolva. The preferred pct for a progesterone ph cycle is clomid (serm) and aromasin (ai) for 4 weeks. CHeck out the superdrol sticky up top, explains some of this. Just to be safe and since ur already gettin sides from the tren id say go with clomid and aromasin for pct just to be safe and help keep all ur gains you've made once u finish. Also try the l-dex or letro while on cycle as i described above and see if that helps or look into cabergoline if things get worse since that specifically for progesterone type sides but more for real aas progesterone sides since this stuff is potent and expensive. Again, this is why i hate these tren ph's, too many problems and precautions to take for little gains and crazy sides. Let me know if this helps and how it goes. Best of luck bro and keep up the good work!

[djsir007]

Oh, just looked over ur first post and says ur only gonn do an otc pct product and maybe nolva? If u read the stickys up top you'll see that when u take a progesterone type ph like tren u dont want to take nolva at all cus it will make progesterone sides worse, same goes with reall aas tren and nolva. The preferred pct for a progesterone ph cycle is clomid (serm) and aromasin (ai) for 4 weeks. CHeck out the superdrol sticky up top, explains some of this. Just to be safe and since ur already gettin sides from the tren id say go with clomid and aromasin for pct just to be safe and help keep all ur gains you've made once u finish. Also try the l-dex or letro while on cycle as i described above and see if that helps or look into cabergoline if things get worse since that specifically for progesterone type sides but more for real aas progesterone sides since this stuff is potent and expensive. Again, this is why i hate these tren ph's, too many problems and precautions to take for little gains and crazy sides. Let me know if this helps and how it goes. Best of luck bro and keep up the good work!

I have some ldex, will use that instead of the nolv (did know that about the nolv and prolactin issues). PCT will be clomid and ldex (no aromasin). I was planning on stopping the tren thursday night and starting the hdrol friday morning. Besides my sensisitve nip and mild weight gain everything is good strenght and aggression are definitley up.

[ACE5HIGH]

I have some ldex, will use that instead of the nolv (did know that about the nolv and prolactin issues). PCT will be clomid and ldex (no aromasin). I was planning on stopping the tren thursday night and starting the hdrol friday morning. Besides my sensisitve nip and mild weight gain everything is good strenght and aggression are definitley up.

Some say nolva and prolactin issues and others say AI's and prolactin issues

I personally like using the AI's in these situations, havent had a prob yet going that way.

I knew we were on the same cycle and all but didnt realize until recently were both really about at the same point and having the same results/side it seems... So yeah, Ive been using .25 L-dex after the first week or so on the Tren when I realized it was going to give me a bit of problems... It took a few days to "kick in"

I only have a few days left of the Tren myself and have considered dropping it too... Ive liked it alright, but nothing special. I wanted to get a little bit into my H-drol before I dropped the tren though so I could try to keep gians rolling in...

[djsir007]

Glad Im not the only one. JK
I really noticed some leaning out today at the gym. People pointed out a few times and I was very aggressive today. Love it. I am going to force complete my third week of XTren then start the Hdrol on friday morning. I keep looking at the Hdrol though wanting to start like Aces does, but I will make it two more days.

Aces are you noticing any other sides? I think the nip is the only thing for me. Blood pressure might be up a little bit, but nothing major.

[wukillabee]

Glad Im not the only one. JK
I really noticed some leaning out today at the gym. People pointed out a few times and I was very aggressive today. Love it. I am going to force complete my third week of XTren then start the Hdrol on friday morning. I keep looking at the Hdrol though wanting to start like Aces does, but I will make it two more days.

Aces are you noticing any other sides? I think the nip is the only thing for me. Blood pressure might be up a little bit, but nothing major.

You can always start the hdrol now and just stack em for the next few days til u run out of tren. This way the hdrol will have a headstart getting into ur system since just like any oral, takes at least 4-5 days till its fully in ur system working as it should. I always bridge my ph's as i described either early here or in aces thread, i forgot which one i explained it. Ur choice but no reason to do an 8 week oral cycle of 2 compounds when u can do it in 6 with synergy and better results and less sides. Maybe not for this cycle but say ur gonna run 2 orals for 4 weeks each at a different time. Run first oral alone for weeks 1-2, add in oral 2 at start of week 2 or day 14 and you would then be stacking the 2 orals for weeks/days 2-4 or days 14-30, then weeks 4-6 will just be the second oral alone for a 6 week bridge cycle. This way the second oral will be fully in ur system by the time u drop the first oral and they can even work together while stacked. WOrks very well and have done this a few times when i want to stack an oral that ive never used before or 2 orals ive never used before because this way i can see how they each work seperately and together.

[djsir007]

Day - Im not sure. I think I messed up my days somehow but should be 19 today.
177 lbs and BF was down a little. My Blood Pressure was 143/70, the 143 is a bit high for me. Nip still bugging me so I am taking the P5P and .25 ldex in am and .25 in PM. The damn gland is sore. Today I took Hdrol in AM and PM with 1 Xtren in PM. Tomorrow I will do the same and that is the last XTren for me. REally starting to like the results minus the sore nip though so if you are not bothered by prolactin sides I would defenitely recommend a full 4 weeks of this stuff.

[djsir007]

Day 21, I think
Felt very very good today.
Noticing some good definition and just feel great.
Took last X tren today.
3 weeks 7 pounds and definitely leaned out.
Continuing 3 weeks with the Hdrol and will keep you posted.

Let me know if there is anything specific you want to hear.

[wukillabee]

Day 21, I think
Felt very very good today.
Noticing some good definition and just feel great.
Took last X tren today.
3 weeks 7 pounds and definitely leaned out.
Continuing 3 weeks with the Hdrol and will keep you posted.

Let me know if there is anything specific you want to hear.

Sounds like ur making some good progress. Bet you'll lean out even more once you get that hdrol in ur system and will gain some strength too!

[djsir007]

Day 24 Day 5 of Hdrol
176 pounds
I think the ldex is holding me back a little in weight, but strength was great today.
I usually put 100 pound dumb bell press up for about 5 on a good day and today I put the 120s up for 3 and did the 100s for 12. Everything felt good today.
I am lowering the ldex over the next few days. I think the nip issue is subsiding. Gland is still sore underneath but it is not getting worse. I think the prolactin from the xtren was getting to me.

[wukillabee]

Day 24 Day 5 of Hdrol
176 pounds
I think the ldex is holding me back a little in weight, but strength was great today.
I usually put 100 pound dumb bell press up for about 5 on a good day and today I put the 120s up for 3 and did the 100s for 12. Everything felt good today.
I am lowering the ldex over the next few days. I think the nip issue is subsiding. Gland is still sore underneath but it is not getting worse. I think the prolactin from the xtren was getting to me.

Glad to hear the great strength gains! Id lower the ldex dose day by day and taper off it since hdrol wont aromatize at all while on. As long as the nip problems dont get worse, taper down the ldex until u can completely come off it while still being on the hdrol. Yes, an ai (especially as strong as ldex) will hinder some gains while on cycle. This is again why i hate these tren like ph's. You would never have these kind of problems with any other ph i can think of while on cycle, maybe a little with phera-plex but thats it. Even m1t and original superdrol wouldnt give these kind of problems since neither aromatize while on and none are related to 19-nor like these tren wannabes. SOunds like ur making good progress though, keep it up!

[jc95605]

I got a question djsir. Have you been losing any body fat? I know you said your more defined but has the bf gone down? I was thinking of doing real tren, but thats the strongest compound and its pretty harsh on your body. I'd rather take this xtreme tren if it has similar results.

[djsir007]

I think if you take tren in moderation it is not too bad on the body.
I have been watching my BF with a electronic machine. It has stayed flat to down a bit. But if you are more "cut" and look better I dont think it matters what the number is.
Ill keep posting.

[djsir007]

Day 28
175 lbs today.
I still feel great and strong, but not going up in weight.
I quit ldex last night so hopefully I will see an increase now.
Everything else is good, diet is on, and looking good.

[ACE5HIGH]

Yeah, I did the same thing with the use of L-dex with my cycle. I was only using it when I was on the tren, as soon as I finished the tren I tapered down (actully tapered before I finished).
Im really loving the H-drol no prob with bloat or nips like with the tren...

[djsir007]

Yesterday I came in at 174, but my BF was down quite a bit to 11%
Im happy with leaning out, but I have to say it is the diet more than the hdrol at this point. Im not gaining any weight but my strength is up so something is working, just not how I thought it would.