Been off for 2 years and looking for some help...

[A&FGuy]

Age: 22
6'1" 195 8%bf

Cycle History:

Cycle #1 Test E 500mg weeks 1-12
Clomid/ Nolva

Not really any side effects. But I did get acne from the clomid.


Cycle #2 Test E 500mg weeks 1-15
Tren A 50mg ED weeks 2-9

PCT was not sent to me and was not done right. I suffered bad acne and really low natty test levels for the next 7 months.


I have been off for 2 years now and everything is back in check and going well. I'm looking to do something small just to get me back in the grove. My natty test levels are still a tad low. I have had a steady diet and workout program for the past 6 months.

Goal: To get my natty test levels back up and put on some lean mass with out bad acne.

Questions:
1) I believe the bad acne was due to the harshness off tren and not doing a pct. Is this true and will I have this with an only test cycle?

2) I was thinking a test e cycle for 10 weeks at 250mg/week?

3)PCT: I am gonna go through lion for this but I wanted to know if just the tamox would be sufficient enough to raise my natty test levels for PCT? And is one bottle enough.

[PT]

i would shoot for a higher dose of test since this will be your 3rd cycle. go for 500mgs a week for 10 weeks so you can actually see good results. as for acne, my knowledge is limited on that since i have never had it but i would think that a proper pct would help. 4 weeks of nolva will definatly raise you test levels but you also want to throw an AI in there as well(armidex,aromasin)

[A&FGuy]

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[one8nine]

Questions:
1) I believe the bad acne was due to the harshness off tren and not doing a pct. Is this true and will I have this with an only test cycle?

2) I was thinking a test e cycle for 10 weeks at 250mg/week?

3)PCT: I am gonna go through lion for this but I wanted to know if just the tamox would be sufficient enough to raise my natty test levels for PCT? And is one bottle enough.

nice body fat% by the way

1) no, tren itself does not cause side effects. they are caused by uncontrolled progesterone/estrogen and unstable blood levels from not injecting frequently enough, IE tren a EOD not ED
gyno/sides
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=354229

2) 250mg wk is a waste you'll just have the test levels of a 19 year old after the esters clear, if thats all you want get some hcg, nolva, and proviron and do a serious pct, then you can produce those levels naturally. or make it 500mg + a week for a real cycle

3) nolva only is a crappy pct
my pct
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4111013

PS clomid shouldn't be used above 25mg ed

[one8nine]

i would shoot for a higher dose of test since this will be your 3rd cycle. go for 500mgs a week for 10 weeks so you can actually see good results. as for acne, my knowledge is limited on that since i have never had it but i would think that a proper pct would help. 4 weeks of nolva will definatly raise you test levels but you also want to throw an AI in there as well(armidex,aromasin)

cause you shoot often enough and control estrogen good job

[A&FGuy]

Im planning on implementing this cycle so let me know what you think,

Weeks 1-6 Prop 50mg ED (350mg/wk)


I dont mind the every day injections to keep blood levels stable but I am worried about the pain from prop, ive never used it. And im also wanting to keep the bloat to a minimum.


Proposed PCT:
Weeks 1-6 Liquidex .25mg ED
(Starting 2 days after last injection) Tamox at 20mg ED for 50 days

or

Weeks 1-6 Liquidex .25mg ED
(Starting 2 days after last injection) Tamox 20mg ED for 25 days & Clomid 25mg ED for 35days


Any help is greatly appreciated, as I am trying to start within the next 4 days.

[one8nine]

Im planning on implementing one of the two so let me know what you think,

Weeks 1-6 Prop 50mg ED

or

Weels 1-10 Test E 500mg


I dont mind the every day injections to keep blood levels stable but I am worried about the pain from prop, ive never used it. And im also wanting to keep the bloat to a minimum.

As for PCT Im going to go through ARR and purchase tamox but what other compound would be good to incorporate? If possible id like it to be one from ARR also.

Any help is greatly appreciated, as I am trying to start within the next 4 days.

it just pretends how badass you are
i personally am a badass so i only use prop


my pct
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4111013

[A&FGuy]

lol, just edited it, lemme know what ya think. BUMP

[one8nine]

Im planning on implementing this cycle so let me know what you think,

Weeks 1-6 Prop 50mg ED (350mg/wk)

Weeks 1-6 Liquidex .25mg ED
(Starting 2 days after last injection) Tamox 20mg ED for 25 days & Clomid 25mg ED for 35days


Any help is greatly appreciated, as I am trying to start within the next 4 days.

good call but run adex .5mg ed in pct too

[A&FGuy]

I thought arimidex and tamox arnt supposed to be ran together? And which one of the two PCT's I proposed would be better?

[one8nine]

I thought arimidex and tamox arnt supposed to be ran together? And which one of the two PCT's I proposed would be better?

Starting 2 days after last injection) Tamox 20mg ED for 25 days & Clomid 25mg ED for 35days

that one
ldex is okay with nolva but you just have to up your ldex dosage
if you cant get aromasin or proviron

[A&FGuy]

ok thank you for you help, does it matter if i start the ldex like 2 weeks after i start the prop or do they need to/would be better to start the same time as the prop? And is 20mg of tamox enough for the 2 weeks?

[bbuilder]

I know you probably don't want to hear this, but you are too young to be doing AS. You will be chancing being on HRT for the rest of your life.

[A&FGuy]

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[one8nine]

ok thank you for you help, does it matter if i start the ldex like 2 weeks after i start the prop or do they need to/would be better to start the same time as the prop? And is 20mg of tamox enough for the 2 weeks?

start same time.
which 2 weeks of tamox?

[A&FGuy]

Ok final draft:

Weeks 1-6 Prop 50mg ED (350mg/wk)
Weeks 1-6 Liquidex .25mg ED


PCT:
(Starting 2 days after last injection)
Tamox at 20mg ED for 50 days
Liquidex at .5mg ED for ?


And is 50 days too much for the tamox? Thats how much i will have at 20mg.

[widowmaker2]

Im planning on implementing this cycle so let me know what you think,

Weeks 1-6 Prop 50mg ED (350mg/wk)


I dont mind the every day injections to keep blood levels stable but I am worried about the pain from prop, ive never used it. And im also wanting to keep the bloat to a minimum.


Proposed PCT:
Weeks 1-6 Liquidex .25mg ED
(Starting 2 days after last injection) Tamox at 20mg ED for 50 days

or

Weeks 1-6 Liquidex .25mg ED
(Starting 2 days after last injection) Tamox 20mg ED for 25 days & Clomid 25mg ED for 35days


Any help is greatly appreciated, as I am trying to start within the next 4 days.

prop injections in quads = no walking for a week for a first timer!! careful where you put it until you get used to it...just a heads up.

[A&FGuy]

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[one8nine]

Ok final draft:

Weeks 1-6 Prop 50mg ED (350mg/wk)
Weeks 1-6 Liquidex .25mg ED


PCT:
(Starting 2 days after last injection)
Tamox at 20mg ED for 50 days
Liquidex at .5mg ED for ?


And is 50 days too much for the tamox? Thats how much i will have at 20mg.

looks perfect

[A&FGuy]

the only questions I had left were is it better to run the tamox at 40mg for 2 weeks and then 2 weeks at 20mg, or just 20mg for 50 days? and is 50days too long? Last question is how long should I run liquidex during pct?

[one8nine]

the only questions I had left were is it better to run the tamox at 40mg for 2 weeks and then 2 weeks at 20mg, or just 20mg for 50 days? and is 50days too long? Last question is how long should I run liquidex during pct?

20mg ed nolva, 50 days is okay. you dont need it that long though really but if you got it why not? 4 weeks minimum though
arimidex .5mg ed through pct 4 weeks minimum

[A&FGuy]

ok so I have another problem, I just got my gear in but wont have my pct for another 3 weeks or so, is it ok just to go ahead and start with out the liquidex? And then I can incorporate it starting in week 4 or so, or just use it in pct? What side effects could this propose for me if I decide to start sooner, if any? Also keep in mind that I do not have problems with bloating or gyno typically.

[one8nine]

ok so I have another problem, I just got my gear in but wont have my pct for another 3 weeks or so, is it ok just to go ahead and start with out the liquidex? And then I can incorporate it starting in week 4 or so, or just use it in pct? What side effects could this propose for me if I decide to start sooner, if any? Also keep in mind that I do not have problems with bloating or gyno typically.

if youre as lean as your avy you wont need much, if any. use the ldex as needed.
but dont start cycle until you get your pct- just in case

[A&FGuy]

Im about 5 lbs less than my avy now and 1% less bf, I wanted to know if it was ok without the ldex during cycle, when considering estrogen and such? Im still going to have the same pct though.

[A&FGuy]

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