milk thistle with mild AAS like Var and Tbol

[azz10]

Just getting some feedbacks from others.

I was told that milk thistle is not reccommended when on mild AAS cycle, like var and tbol. The reasons being, both substances are not harsh on the liver and by adding milk thistle, it decreases the half life. As a result, reducing the full potential of the substance. What you guys reckon?

[Phate]

Just getting some feedbacks from others.

I was told that milk thistle is not reccommended when on mild AAS cycle, like var and tbol. The reasons being, both substances are not harsh on the liver and by adding milk thistle, it decreases the half life. As a result, reducing the full potential of the substance. What you guys reckon?

it's not going to reduce the half-life, that is a constant, but milk thistle does mess with the nuclei of the androgen receptor i believe(don't quote me on that) so gains might be slightly retarded

[azz10]

thanxs Phate. so does that mean its better to use milk thistle after the cycle? adding it into the PCT?

[vengence00]

you're gonna need more than just milk thistle. here was my tbol var cycle. I'm about to start pct sun

ANAVAR/TURINABOL CYCLE
224/280 TABS NEEDED
WEEK 1-40MG VAR/50MG TBOL EVERY DAY
WEEK 2-40MG VAR/50MG TBOL EVERY DAY
WEEK 3-40MG VAR/50MG TBOL EVERY DAY
WEEK 4-40MG VAR/50MG TBOL EVERY DAY
WEEK 5-40MG VAR/50MG TBOL EVERY DAY
WEEK 6-40MG VAR/50MG TBOL EVERY DAY
WEEK 7-40MG VAR/50MG TBOL EVERY DAY
WEEK 8-40MG VAR/50MG TBOL EVERY DAY
VITAMINS WHILE ON CYCLE
WEEKS 1-12
MILK THISTLE 600MG/NAC 1000MG(PRO LIVER FROM PRIMA FORCE HAS BOTH) Milk Thistle
The classic liver protectant herb.supposedly works by blocking the entrance of harmful substances to liver cells, and hastening their expulsion. Make sure there is a high standardization of Silymarin 80% minimum powerful antioxidant/NAC Supports liver function and production of l-glutathione /ALA 300MG (PRIMA FORCE) powerful antioxidant that works in conjunction with biotin /BIOTIN 1000MCG /FISH OR FLAX OIL Consuming lots of ***** fatty acids promotes overall health, as well as helping to keep your lipid profile from becoming too bad./POLICOSANOL 20MG-Used at 20mg daily to keep your HDL (good cholesterol) levels from crashing, and your LDL from becoming too high./VITAMINS E EOD 400-800IU & C 1000-2000MG help to protect cholesterol from the oxidation that is associated with CVD./NIACIN Preferably the flush free variety. If you wish, niacin can be used at 1-2g ED for a short period post-cycle to normalize HDL levels. Do not use for more than 7-14 days, as liver toxicity can be an issue when using those dosages of niacin for long periods of time./BCAA (OPTIONAL)/PROTIEN POWDER(OPTIONAL)/OPTIMUM NUTRITION GLYCOMAIZE CARB POWDER(OPTIONAL)

POST CYCLE THERAPY
TAMOX/CLOMID
WEEK 9-NOVA (TAMOX) 20MG/CLOMID 50 MG/NIACIN 1-2G EVERY DAY
WEEK 10-NOVA (TAMOX) 20MG/CLOMID 50 MG/NIACIN 1-2G EVERY DAY
WEEK 11-NOVA (TAMOX) 20MG/CLOMID 20 MG EVERY DAY
WEEK 12-NOVA (TAMOX) 20MG/CLOMID 20 MG EVERY DAY

[The Deuce]

I USE MILK THISTLE YEAR ROUND !! Regardless if I am on CYCLE or not... IT HAS NEVER DIMINISHED any GAINS that I know of from it's use while using it with the multitude of orals that I have put into my body... then again... I wouldnt know the difference would I??

Seeings how... since I used it with them and have never used them without it I dont know what kinda gains I would have achieved had I not been eating milk thistle ... so i guess it COULD inhibit gains but since I have gained just FINE and my LIVER is in PRIMO condtion... I dont see why people wouldnt just take the MILK tHistle as a PREVENTATIVE measure, ya know?

[azz10]

you're gonna need more than just milk thistle. here was my tbol var cycle. I'm about to start pct sun

ANAVAR/TURINABOL CYCLE
224/280 TABS NEEDED
WEEK 1-40MG VAR/50MG TBOL EVERY DAY
WEEK 2-40MG VAR/50MG TBOL EVERY DAY
WEEK 3-40MG VAR/50MG TBOL EVERY DAY
WEEK 4-40MG VAR/50MG TBOL EVERY DAY
WEEK 5-40MG VAR/50MG TBOL EVERY DAY
WEEK 6-40MG VAR/50MG TBOL EVERY DAY
WEEK 7-40MG VAR/50MG TBOL EVERY DAY
WEEK 8-40MG VAR/50MG TBOL EVERY DAY
VITAMINS WHILE ON CYCLE
WEEKS 1-12
MILK THISTLE 600MG/NAC 1000MG(PRO LIVER FROM PRIMA FORCE HAS BOTH) Milk Thistle
The classic liver protectant herb.supposedly works by blocking the entrance of harmful substances to liver cells, and hastening their expulsion. Make sure there is a high standardization of Silymarin 80% minimum powerful antioxidant/NAC Supports liver function and production of l-glutathione /ALA 300MG (PRIMA FORCE) powerful antioxidant that works in conjunction with biotin /BIOTIN 1000MCG /FISH OR FLAX OIL Consuming lots of ***** fatty acids promotes overall health, as well as helping to keep your lipid profile from becoming too bad./POLICOSANOL 20MG-Used at 20mg daily to keep your HDL (good cholesterol) levels from crashing, and your LDL from becoming too high./VITAMINS E EOD 400-800IU & C 1000-2000MG help to protect cholesterol from the oxidation that is associated with CVD./NIACIN Preferably the flush free variety. If you wish, niacin can be used at 1-2g ED for a short period post-cycle to normalize HDL levels. Do not use for more than 7-14 days, as liver toxicity can be an issue when using those dosages of niacin for long periods of time./BCAA (OPTIONAL)/PROTIEN POWDER(OPTIONAL)/OPTIMUM NUTRITION GLYCOMAIZE CARB POWDER(OPTIONAL)

POST CYCLE THERAPY
TAMOX/CLOMID
WEEK 9-NOVA (TAMOX) 20MG/CLOMID 50 MG/NIACIN 1-2G EVERY DAY
WEEK 10-NOVA (TAMOX) 20MG/CLOMID 50 MG/NIACIN 1-2G EVERY DAY
WEEK 11-NOVA (TAMOX) 20MG/CLOMID 20 MG EVERY DAY
WEEK 12-NOVA (TAMOX) 20MG/CLOMID 20 MG EVERY DAY

awesome feedbacks mate.. so you must be at the end of the cycle now eh. how was the results? would be nice to hear about it. cheers.

[azz10]

I USE MILK THISTLE YEAR ROUND !! Regardless if I am on CYCLE or not... IT HAS NEVER DIMINISHED any GAINS that I know of from it's use while using it with the multitude of orals that I have put into my body... then again... I wouldnt know the difference would I??

Seeings how... since I used it with them and have never used them without it I dont know what kinda gains I would have achieved had I not been eating milk thistle ... so i guess it COULD inhibit gains but since I have gained just FINE and my LIVER is in PRIMO condtion... I dont see why people wouldnt just take the MILK tHistle as a PREVENTATIVE measure, ya know?

good point bro. what dose of milk thistle do you take? i might just use it during the cycle as a preventative measure.

[ganu]

good point bro. What dose of milk thistle do you take? I might just use it during the cycle as a preventative measure.

hi azzo did you start yout cycle as yet..am taking milk thistle 4 capsules ed and it seems to be ok...am on my second week..wt up 2kgs..

[powerliftmike]

milk thistle is overrated, any herbs are going to have very low bioavailability if taken orally. i cant see it hurting gains or helping the liver much either

[sach2009]

milh8

[SmittyTheOX]

milk thistle is overrated, any herbs are going to have very low bioavailability if taken orally. i cant see it hurting gains or helping the liver much either

I disagree with that.
A while back leading into a PL comp my liver values jumped sky high, to the point where I was having to go for ultrasounds. Being 6 weeks out I didnt want to get off so I started loading up on the milk thistle and Fish Oils (was already taking them, just uped the dose). Week of the comp I had bloods done again and they were still high, but nearly a third less then they previously were. Nothing else was changed in my diet and I actually ADDED halo that week.

Now days I dont run orals except for the week of my comps but like The Deuce I still run milk thistle year round. I do use Tren quite often and that seems to inderectly raise liver toxicity levels so I believe it helps keep that to a minimum.

[Biff77]

I also take it and I am not on any GEAR .. but I do take all this over counter stuff...
Muliti vitamin, creatin , lots o protein , b complex , zma stack, andro , some trib, motrin when i need it , efa caps , and some glutamine..
takin a bunch of pils a day , it can only help process it all

[The Deuce]

good point bro. what dose of milk thistle do you take? i might just use it during the cycle as a preventative measure.

175mgs 5 times per day... 1 Pill with every meal... I eat 7 times a day technically.. 2 of the 7 times though are protein shakes and I don't take the MilkThis with them.. only when I ingest real food ya know?? so it equals out to 875mgs ED.

milk thistle is overrated, any herbs are going to have very low bioavailability if taken orally. i cant see it hurting gains or helping the liver much either

I wouldn't say overrated.. because well it isn't something that EVERYONE swears by, but I know from BLOOD TESTS... that it does in FACT help out with the regeneration of LIVER CELLS. A must for any AAS user that uses heavy orals (PH too) like Drol, Dbol, Winstrol, and Halo.

Is it something that I advocate that everyone take all the time everyday and if you dont your liver will shut down?? No.. but I will say this... IT'S VERY VERY CHEAP.. and what it does do... is worth the $7 dollar price tag.

I disagree with that.
A while back leading into a PL comp my liver values jumped sky high, to the point where I was having to go for ultrasounds. Being 6 weeks out I didnt want to get off so I started loading up on the milk thistle and Fish Oils (was already taking them, just uped the dose). Week of the comp I had bloods done again and they were still high, but nearly a third less then they previously were. Nothing else was changed in my diet and I actually ADDED halo that week.

Now days I dont run orals except for the week of my comps but like The Deuce I still run milk thistle year round. I do use Tren quite often and that seems to inderectly raise liver toxicity levels so I believe it helps keep that to a minimum.

Wow see thats awesome.. it's good to hear that it helped you out.

[azz10]

hi azzo did you start yout cycle as yet..am taking milk thistle 4 capsules ed and it seems to be ok...am on my second week..wt up 2kgs..

Hey ganu, yeh i've just started my cycle about 2 days ago. guess i'll see the results soon enough. haha. got myself some milk thistle so might just pop some daily. like what the rest says, it aint gonna hurt..

[ganu]

Hey ganu, yeh i've just started my cycle about 2 days ago. guess i'll see the results soon enough. haha. got myself some milk thistle so might just pop some daily. like what the rest says, it aint gonna hurt..

did you check my first week blood work..the lipids gonna fluctuate..so make sure you taking the flaxeed oil caps/policosanol/e/c/ for lipids..and niacin for pct...keep us updated about the gains and the sides if any