would it be harmful

[edgarrr831]

if i just start an all oral cycle. like anadrol at 50mg daily and anavar at 20mg daily and do this for about 6 weeks then start a pct?

[Big]

Welcome.
I wouldn't do it.
age?
height?
weight?
body fat%?
years training?

[edgarrr831]

right now im currently 23 im 6'1" and weight about 179-185. and i dont know my bodyfat but i've been training for about 7 months now

[higherdesire]

Ever looked into the diet section? there is some really great growth info there.

[peachfuzz]

what are you goals?

what is an estimation of bodyfat? 3%? or 30%?

x2 on not doing it, especially the one you have proposed.

[edgarrr831]

I would say I'm at 19%. and im trying to bulk up but i dont want to have too much water retention i want to bulk up and be lean thats why im taking anavar

[peachfuzz]

at 19% i would start by getting your diet in order.

without diet, steroids will take you nowhere.

i would also consider making cutting (while retaining as much lean body mass as possible) your priority.

do you have a meal plan that you follow or is it an eat as you go type of thing?

if you have one, post it up

if not, id start getting one together and then post it up.

i personally dont feel you are where you need to be to start cycling.

reasons
- 7 months of training puts you no where near where you should be
- bodyfat is too high
- the cycle you proposed

just my opinion

[edgarrr831]

at 19% i would start by getting your diet in order.

without diet, steroids will take you nowhere.

i would also consider making cutting (while retaining as much lean body mass as possible) your priority.

do you have a meal plan that you follow or is it an eat as you go type of thing?

if you have one, post it up

if not, id start getting one together and then post it up.

i personally dont feel you are where you need to be to start cycling.

reasons
- 7 months of training puts you no where near where you should be
- bodyfat is too high
- the cycle you proposed

just my opinion

well i eat pretty healthy now. i eat plenty of tuna, fish, chicken, i make sure i eat lots of protein. im even taking a prohormone right now called decabolen. and im still not getting the results that i want. i might just take the anadrol, but im still pretty skeptical about it. and what cycle would you propose i do instead of the one that i posted?

[peachfuzz]

what you are currently taking IS a steroid. and a powerful one at that.

anadrol would be about the worst thing you could do right now.

as i said. the problem lies in your diet.

[edgarrr831]

what you are currently taking IS a steroid. and a powerful one at that.

anadrol would be about the worst thing you could do right now.

as i said. the problem lies in your diet.

i was told it wasnt a steroids i was told that it was just a prohormone. and what if i did pct and then stayed off for about another three weeks would doing anadrol still be a problem. and yeah i do need a diet change im gonna have to look into that

[Big]

i was told it wasnt a steroids i was told that it was just a prohormone. and what if i did pct and then stayed off for about another three weeks would doing anadrol still be a problem. and yeah i do need a diet change im gonna have to look into that

someone lied to you.

[edgarrr831]

someone lied to you.

well i mean i bought it at supplement direct over the counter so im sure they dont sell the real stuff at a store would they?

[Big]

well i mean i bought it at supplement direct over the counter so im sure they dont sell the real stuff at a store would they?

well then it's not anavar. anavar is a steroid, a controlled substance. no telling what they sold you. lots of supplements copy steroid names just to get the sale.

[peachfuzz]

staying off for three weeks is pointless. your hormones would barely be recovered (if your lucky) and you would turn around and shut them right back down again.

there are few oral only cycles i would consider. anadrol is not one of them.

and you were told wrong.

steroid- 2a,17a-dimethyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one (Superdrol)
steroid- 2-ene 17a-Methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol (DMT. AKA Madol)
steroid- 4-chloro-17a-methyl-andro-4-ene-3,17b-diol (similar to oral turinabol)

technically testosterone is a "pro hormone"

you are taking steroids.

[edgarrr831]

staying off for three weeks is pointless. your hormones would barely be recovered (if your lucky) and you would turn around and shut them right back down again.

there are few oral only cycles i would consider. anadrol is not one of them.

and you were told wrong.

steroid- 2a,17a-dimethyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one (Superdrol)
steroid- 2-ene 17a-Methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol (DMT. AKA Madol)
steroid- 4-chloro-17a-methyl-andro-4-ene-3,17b-diol (similar to oral turinabol)

technically testosterone is a "pro hormone"

you are taking steroids.

then how long would be proper time to let them recover. and what oral only cycles would you consider instead of anodrol?

[Big]

I would recommend training longer than 7 months before using steroids, but anavar and tbol are decent oral cycles.

[edgarrr831]

[QUOTE=Big;4734055]I would recommend training longer than 7 months before using steroids, but anavar and tbol are decent oral cycles.[/QUOTE

by tbol do you mean Trenabol?

[Big]

[QUOTE=edgarrr831;4734066]

I would recommend training longer than 7 months before using steroids, but anavar and tbol are decent oral cycles.[/QUOTE

by tbol do you mean Trenabol?

I mean oral turinabol.

[edgarrr831]

[QUOTE=Big;4734103]

I mean oral turinabol.

i think its spelled turanabol if im not mistaken. and thanks i can get that and the anavar. im gonna post up some pictures in a week or two to see if its legit.thanks

[Big]

i think its spelled turanabol if im not mistaken.

you are mistaken lol. click the blue word in my post.

[steiner1]

[QUOTE=edgarrr831;4734146]

i think its spelled turanabol if im not mistaken. and thanks i can get that and the anavar. im gonna post up some pictures in a week or two to see if its legit.thanks

im on day 12 of oral turinabol cycle ,so far so good! seeing a more ****** mid-section , little bit of strength gain.50 mg a day.

[ninesecz]

an all oral cycle is no good. for one horrible on the liver and kidneys, 2 you usually only run oral for 4-6 weeks because of the toxicity and really it takes longe than that to actually build the muscle and strength gains that is why we run test for 12-20weks depending on excperience. 3) Anavar at 20mg Ed is not only going to cost you way more money its worth... you are not going to see any results at a 20mg does! Wait, Work on the diet as Big has suggested and then plan a sensible cycle! of test injectable. Trust me, You will be surprised at what a little "tweakin'" of the ole' diet can do for you! If your diet is out of tune and you get it in tune, you will almost think you are on a cycle! Your body will go through a growth spurt just from all the new nutrients you are feeding it try it first cause as I say to everyone... If you do not have your diet spot on, the steroids are not going to work for you anyway! So really you need to tune in your diet first anyway so do it and give ut some time to show you results before you do steroids!!

[gymnerd]

Sounds like there is some confusion here LOL. I think the OP is talking about PH/DS that have names similar to the real deal and that is screwing everyone up?

[G4R]

Just out of curiousity, why do you want to run a oral only cycle? Don't like pins?

[edgarrr831]

Just out of curiousity, why do you want to run a oral only cycle? Don't like pins?

its not that i dont like pins im sure i can take the needle with no pain. what im scared of is that i do it wrong and get like an infection or something, an abbcess anything like that.

[Big]

its not that i dont like pins im sure i can take the needle with no pain. what im scared of is that i do it wrong and get like an infection or something, an abbcess anything like that.

you are right to be weary of injections, they aren't to be taken lightly, but done properly an injectable cycle is a much better option overall.

[edgarrr831]

you are right to be weary of injections, they aren't to be taken lightly, but done properly an injectable cycle is a much better option overall.

and another reason is im still living at home right now and when im at work my stuff can come in and if my folks see syringes and the amps they'll know whats up and if they're tabs i can tell em its something else. and yeah i was thinking injections are better cuz you only gotta do it once a week and you're good oppossed to daily pill popping.

[edgarrr831]

you are right to be weary of injections, they aren't to be taken lightly, but done properly an injectable cycle is a much better option overall.

if i were to take deca durabolin or test e. would i just use a 22 gauge x 1.5 inch?

[Big]

Sounds like there is some confusion here LOL. I think the OP is talking about PH/DS that have names similar to the real deal and that is screwing everyone up?

that's what I'm thinking as well.

[edgarrr831]

and a question i have about injections is how do you know if the needle has hit the muscle therefore being intramuscular. and i also read that you should pull back on plunger to see if you've hit a vein right?

[ninesecz]

I can also tell you are very inexperienced by the way you ask. I see this from a lot of other NOOB that do not know exactly what they are talking about. You wrote "the start A PCT?" It is noa A PCT IT is PCT Post CYcle Therapy NOOB's write it like that because you/they think it is some kind of compound you are taking kind of like if you said "start a cycle" You dont start a PCT your start pct!

[edgarrr831]

I can also tell you are very inexperienced by the way you ask. I see this from a lot of other NOOB that do not know exactly what they are talking about. You wrote "the start A PCT?" It is noa A PCT IT is PCT Post CYcle Therapy NOOB's write it like that because you/they think it is some kind of compound you are taking kind of like if you said "start a cycle" You dont start a PCT your start pct!

im not that naive i didnt mean it like it was a supplement you take i know its what you do after a cycle or prior to ending a cycle to get your hormones back to normal

[ninesecz]

You have to start your cycle with test. Most people for their 1st cycle just run test E or Cyp at 400-500mg EW and that is it. Some feel they need to use Anadrol or D-bol for 4-6 weeks to "kickstart" the cycle. Others think they need to ad Deca or Something else to it. Some go way out and think they should do something stupid like add Trenbolone for their 1st cycle!! But without question, Test even at 350mg a week for your 1st cycle will show very impressive strength and muscle gains. You also nee to amke sure before even starting this you have clomid, nolvadex, and may be even provion and liquidex on hand just to make sure you are covered for your post cycle therapy and e=if any type of sides come up during the cycle. Always better to be safe tan sorry!

[peachfuzz]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742

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[ninesecz]

You need to have some form of Testosterone in that cycle somewhere at least 200mg Ew but if you are going to i nject anyway might as well do a straight 500a week divided into 2 injections. Either test Enanthate or test cypionate are the best IMO for a first timer. they have long esthers and both work very well being injected only 2X per week

[edgarrr831]

You need to have some form of Testosterone in that cycle somewhere at least 200mg Ew but if you are going to i nject anyway might as well do a straight 500a week divided into 2 injections. Either test Enanthate or test cypionate are the best IMO for a first timer. they have long esthers and both work very well being injected only 2X per week

yeah ive read a lot these last few days looking at the right threads. and tell me if this is good 500mg of test-e for 12 weeks and the first four weeks take 25mg dianabol to kickstart the cycle. and then for pct im gonna start taking clomid, and nolvadex two weeks after my last test e shot.