Ok another question...

[The Deuce]

Taking Proviron and T-Bol at the same time..

Both are VERY MILD, In fact I believe that Proviron is SO mild that it is one of those things that can be taken in low doses year round along with TEST and HGH... but that's my own opinion backed up with absolutely no medical facts or reasoning.. it's just the way I feel about it...

That being said, they are both mild, is there any CAUSE FOR CONCERN as far as the LIVER may be concerned for running 40mgs of Tbol and 50 mgs ED of Proviron??

It's my plan anyways... I am currently on the proviron and will ccontinue to be on it throughout the time I use the TBOL... which is approx. 4 weeks away... then I will be coming ooff of the Tbol... coming down off the Test Prop of 100mgs ED, AND dropping the proviron to 25mgs ED alongside my TRT dose of CYP at 200mgs EW...


With my Liver I plan on taking LIV-52 for 4 weeks maybe longer after I finish the tbol... and obviously as like always I WILL BE HAVING A FULL RANGE BLOODWORK Done after the cycle is complete.. about 2 weeks after my last Inject. Just to make sure it is all up to PAR...


But from the wide knowledge base across the board NO ONE SEES AN ISSUE WITH RUNNING BOTH at the same time right?? I wouldn't think so, I have seen a more brutal arrangement of orals in some cycles.. haha...


Thoughts??

[peachfuzz]

dont see anything wrong with it

[redz]

You'll be fine, I have ran 100mg of oral winny for 4-5 weeks and didnt get any problems. Those compounds are much more mild I cant see there being a problem.

[M302_Imola]

You'll be fine, I have ran 100mg of oral winny for 4-5 weeks and didnt get any problems. Those compounds are much more mild I cant see there being a problem.

so you didn't feel like your natty test was supressed at all after the 4-5 weeks of 100mg oral winny ED? What gains did you get off this?

[The Deuce]

Cool that's what I figured... THANKS BRO'S !!

[Ironnips]

You should be fine.

[ninesecz]

My pilosophy is to monly run 1 oral at a time. I am a little different though because i hve to take pain medication everyday and 1 oral AAS on top of it. formyou it would depend on how you fel. What color is your urine, that should be a good tell tale sign if there is damage. like right now mine is real dark and deep yelolo almost an orangish color = No Good! even taking 6000mg of milk thistle a day ( 6 1000mg pills) Just keep am eye on that and make sure you are drinking enough. i have upped my water consumption from 2gaons a day to almost 3 gallons and it had for sure helped. might want to just strt doing that anyway extra hydration can never hurt

[peachfuzz]

My pilosophy is to monly run 1 oral at a time. I am a little different though because i hve to take pain medication everyday and 1 oral AAS on top of it. formyou it would depend on how you fel. What color is your urine, that should be a good tell tale sign if there is damage. like right now mine is real dark and deep yelolo almost an orangish color = No Good! even taking 6000mg of milk thistle a day ( 6 1000mg pills) Just keep am eye on that and make sure you are drinking enough. i have upped my water consumption from 2gaons a day to almost 3 gallons and it had for sure helped. might want to just strt doing that anyway extra hydration can never hurt

that is too much milk thistle. milk thistle can actually further stress the liver if the doses are too high

i also feel that 3 gallons of water is too much. stressful to the kidneys.

[The Deuce]

thats the B-12 thats not used by the body

That's what I thought.. well not that I thought it was the B-12 I just thought it was the UN-USED vitamins my body didn't need to absorb and utilize, I didn't actually KNOW that there was a specific VITAMIN perse that way responsible for the yellowing of the urine...

But thanks bro !!

can anyone help me out plz

UMMM But dude around here it isn't common practice to so... PLEASE START YOUR OWN THREAD...

that is too much milk thistle. milk thistle can actually further stress the liver if the doses are too high

i also feel that 3 gallons of water is too much. stressful to the kidneys.

I was thinking the same thing.. I go with 1.5 gallons per day... MAX... Usually around a Gallon though...

and I personally think Milk Thistle is JUNK .. if I use any liver support whatsoever it's LIV-52...

[ninesecz]

That's what I thought.. well not that I thought it was the B-12 I just thought it was the UN-USED vitamins my body didn't need to absorb and utilize, I didn't actually KNOW that there was a specific VITAMIN perse that way responsible for the yellowing of the urine...

But thanks bro !!



UMMM But dude around here it isn't common practice to so... PLEASE START YOUR OWN THREAD...



I was thinking the same thing.. I go with 1.5 gallons per day... MAX... Usually around a Gallon though...

and I personally think Milk Thistle is JUNK .. if I use any liver support whatsoever it's LIV-52...

I have always taken a lot of milkt thistle (which I also think is junk but all I have right now) cause I use it cause i take pain mends and I am eting a bunch of pills each and every day whether on or not!
I do not think you can ever have too much water. the normmal person should have 8 glasses of water and if you think about that it is close to a gallon right there! A BB taking in extra protein and other pills etc. should be taing much more than that! I always, Always have drank close to 2 gallons of water a day and have been doing do for 10-15 years! Liver and kidneys have always been on the low side of the test (except when i first started on pain meds and was getting pain meds with codeine in them) So to me, 2.5 to 3 gallons a day is not that much and i really am not worried abou water hurting my internals... your body is made out of water and your muscles are more than 1/2 water. I do not beleive water will ever puut enough stress on my organs to even think about worrying about it

[The Deuce]

My Urine only turns to a yellowish color when i take my daily multi... for the first urination after the dose, then.. maybe the second one is a little lighter but by the third time i go to the bathroom... back to the color of water...

And then again if I have to use the bathroom at the gym for some reason it will be darker than normal...

You don't think that is abnormal do you??

[Vitruvian-Man]

My Urine only turns to a yellowish color when i take my daily multi... for the first urination after the dose, then.. maybe the second one is a little lighter but by the third time i go to the bathroom... back to the color of water...

And then again if I have to use the bathroom at the gym for some reason it will be darker than normal...

You don't think that is abnormal do you??

That's just your body secreting (peeing out) the excess vitamins. (which can also cause your urine to smell, and turn a bit darker). Just ensure you're taking in enough water each day. (that will lighten the color of urine)

Regarding the orals. Don't worry about it.

There is no problem with taking T-bol & Proviron.

.... I get more fearful of liver damage from PCT drugs (nolva, etc).

[JiGGaMaN]

My Urine only turns to a yellowish color when i take my daily multi...

thats the B-12 thats not used by the body

[not_taken1]

hi im new to this the forums and that i dont really no how to use them what should i do if i want to find out if my gear is fake

[not_taken1]

can anyone help me out plz

[sigman roid]

can anyone help me out plz

Look through the forum there is a forum where you can post pictures of your steroids if you believe they are fake and members will give there opinions

[JiGGaMaN]

overall i think you oral dosage isnt a cause for concern. that being said, a blood test evey now and then to make sure numbers are normal is always a good idea.

[The Deuce]

Yah, I just didn't want to overload myself... Not that I thought that I would be.. but it's always good to check.. and then double check..even if you already know the answer.. at least that's my philosophy...

I am gonna start the Proviron tomorrow.. been running 6 weeks of straight TEST P at 100mgs ED... starting to get some SIDES I have never dealt with be fore on ANY AAS Cycle... ACNE !! Hahaha.. guess there is a first time for everything.. might have something to do with the fact It's ridiculously hot out and I am sweating a lot more.. or it actually is the TEST'S Fault.. either way.. i'll deal with it...

I can't take accutane...

I'll have to figure it out somehow.. but yah I will run the proviron by itself for the next 3 weeks... then introduce the TBOL for the remaining 3 weeks of My cycle... before the RETURN to TRT dosing... Hopefully when I cut the friggen Test back down to 200mgs EW the B-ACNE subsides...

[Dont wanna be old]

Yah, I just didn't want to overload myself... Not that I thought that I would be.. but it's always good to check.. and then double check..even if you already know the answer.. at least that's my philosophy...

I am gonna start the Proviron tomorrow.. been running 6 weeks of straight TEST P at 100mgs ED... starting to get some SIDES I have never dealt with be fore on ANY AAS Cycle... ACNE !! Hahaha.. guess there is a first time for everything.. might have something to do with the fact It's ridiculously hot out and I am sweating a lot more.. or it actually is the TEST'S Fault.. either way.. i'll deal with it...

I can't take accutane...

I'll have to figure it out somehow.. but yah I will run the proviron by itself for the next 3 weeks... then introduce the TBOL for the remaining 3 weeks of My cycle... before the RETURN to TRT dosing... Hopefully when I cut the friggen Test back down to 200mgs EW the B-ACNE subsides...

Did you catch posts on platinum labz acne meds, They are suppose to be good .

[Hazard]

Did you catch posts on platinum labz acne meds, They are suppose to be good .

^^^^ what he said.....

Also look into mega doses of B5......

~Haz~

[The Deuce]

I was never saying you were wrong in doing what you are doing bro.. not at all.. we all have our own lil quirks that we stick to that is what makes us UNIQUE.

All I am saying is opinion wise... I don't think Milk thistle does anything for the LIVER.. All the while LIV-52 has been proven to actually rejuvenate and rebuild the liver so I would rather stick with a supp that is proven to do such things.. not just what it claims to do...

And did you forget that I am also a recovering OPIATE addict?? Not something I try to brag about but i do believe that You and I have had that conversation before and you know that I also use something to take care of such cravings on a daily basis.. it has been proven though that the medication I AM ON.. has no effect negative or positive for that matter on any off my internal organs.. so I luck out on that end I suppose...

I know how PAIN MEDS can be, I was severely into them after my motorcycle accident 3 years ago.. up until I got clean on 12-23-08 so.. I know the HELL that they can put someone through...and I also know of the tole they play on the internal organs.. not pretty.. especially the good ole liver.. I must say that while I was on them my water intake was INCREASED DRAMATICALLY.. Probably around the 2 gallon mark per day at least...just because i was always thirsty and dehydrated. I also was not following any diet or training regimen eiither.. I had a HELL OF A SWEET TOOTH !!! Hence that is why during that time I shot up to 305lbs. 40 percent bodyfat... I DIDN'T CARE !!

You on the other hand DO. You take good care of your body even though you take pain medication.. which is a very good thing bro. I commend you for that. I also know the hell you go through though.. and it isn't pretty.. not at all...