8wk cycle - any opinions or suggestions?

[Devils Mentor]

About to put in an order, just want to get some feedback. Anything you would change?should I keep at 8wk or run a 10wk.This is my first cycle so advice would be tits!



******* TEST-E 250 mg/ml
- Size 20 ml ( Total 500mg )

Wk: 1 - 8 @ 500mg/wk

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#### TURANABOL 10 mg

Wk: 1 - 5 @ 30mg/ed


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PCT:

ARIMIDEX 0.25 mg (anastrazole)
- Size 50 tabs ( Total 12.5mg )

Wk: 1 - 10/13 - 15 @ .25mg/eod

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CLOMID 50mg
- Size 10 tabs x 3 = 30 Tabs ( Total 1500mg )

Wk: 13 @ 100mg/ed
Wk: 14 @ 50mg/ed
Wk: 15 @ 50mg/ed

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NOLVADEX 10mg
- Size 100 tabs ( Total 1000mg )

Wk: 13 @ 40mg/ed
Wk: 14 @ 30mg/ed
Wk: 15 @ 20mg/ed

Depending in what is better on the budget between the pills or Lions gear.

Adxe or Lions Letro
Clomid or Lions Clomi
Nolva or Lions Tamox






hanks


DM

[Devils Mentor]

BTW - I opted for the T-Bol instead if the D-Bol because of the issue with water retention that the big D give you. I have a big issue with that already so I don't need more.

Also as for the water retention, do you think the Letro will suffice?


DM

[boxer1]

8 weeks seems a bit short for enan ester, in some it would only just be starting to do its work, 12 weeks seems optimum time. Letro for me is too suppressive of estro, i'd go with adex.

[RANA]

8 weeks is too short for a long ester and your start time for you PCT is off and you might want to add an extra week to your PCT.
What are you stats?

[chitownhoker]

8 weeks is too short for a long ester and your start time for you PCT is off and you might want to add an extra week to your PCT.
What are you stats?

well merc suggest an 8 week cycle though.....this is my first cycle and I will only be running it 9 weeks at 300/week of test e.....shorter cycles equals smaller gaiins, but the gains are more keepable! and you recover more quickly and are able to go on another cycle sooner.

[Devils Mentor]

Ok... so run a 12wk cycle and add a 16th week to the PCT. I was told to start the A-Dex at week 1 and run through till week 10, then reup when the PTC itself kicked in at week 13 and run till week 15. So what would you suggest for the PTC?

Thanks for the help guys!


DM

[RANA]

well merc suggest an 8 week cycle though.....this is my first cycle and I will only be running it 9 weeks at 300/week of test e.....shorter cycles equals smaller gaiins, but the gains are more keepable! and you recover more quickly and are able to go on another cycle sooner.

How are gains more keepable? To keep your gains is based on numerous factors such as a correct diet, PCT, lifting, etc....

I wont disagree with Merc because he is extrememly knowledgable, I would have to see where he stated to run Test E for only 8 weeks.

If your theory to run a shorter cycle to recover more quickly why not just run a 6 week cycle or even a 4 week cycle?

[RANA]

Ok... so run a 12wk cycle and add a 16th week to the PCT. I was told to start the A-Dex at week 1 and run through till week 10, then reup when the PTC itself kicked in at week 13 and run till week 15. So what would you suggest for the PTC?

Thanks for the help guys!


DM

Your PCT needs to start 14 days after your last Test E injection.

[chitownhoker]

How are gains more keepable? To keep your gains is based on numerous factors such as a correct diet, PCT, lifting, etc....

I wont disagree with Merc because he is extrememly knowledgable, I would have to see where he stated to run Test E for only 8 weeks.

If your theory to run a shorter cycle to recover more quickly why not just run a 6 week cycle or even a 4 week cycle?

Your body can not sustain a large jump in weight. So lets say he puts on 20 pounds of muslce5 over 12 weeks, and he weights 200 pounds that would be an addition of 10 percent of his body. Its hard for anyone to add a lot of weight in a short amount of time. By cutting the cycle shorter lets say 8 weeks and him only adding 15 pounds the smaller jump in wieght makes it easier to maintain after cycle. This is why burst cycles are so effective. this also helps eliminate the yoyo of putting on so much weight then loosing it, hence a psychological difference

oh sorry merc endorses this but ronnie rowland has the thread on it

here is where he talked about test e

Note: When high amounts of androgenic anabolics steroids such as testosterone enanthate are introduced into the body, maximum receptor site stimualtion occurs during the first 3-8 weeks. After having been on test for around 8 weeks your libido will begin to level out and eventually decline as will your muscle growth as these receptor sites adjust to the exogenous testosterone. It's during this 3-8 week period of enhanced libido that maximum muscle growth occurs! Some of you will make the majority of your gains during weeks 3-6 while reloading others will gain more during week 5-8. Gains are finalized during the deload (weeks 8-10 of anabolic cycle). I do believe in set time frames in regards to reducing training volume and anabolic dosages. A 1-2 week deload following an 8 week reload is very important because it makes you stronger and packs on some additional muscle due to a rebound effect. Long acting esters will still present during a deload. In addition, the reduction in protein actually helps the body store more protein-hence more muscle mass!

you can also look at the thread...its the TOP STICKY so hopefully you've read those and can understand where i am coming from

[RANA]

Your body can not sustain a large jump in weight. So lets say he puts on 20 pounds of muslce5 over 12 weeks, and he weights 200 pounds that would be an addition of 10 percent of his body. Its hard for anyone to add a lot of weight in a short amount of time. By cutting the cycle shorter lets say 8 weeks and him only adding 15 pounds the smaller jump in wieght makes it easier to maintain after cycle. This is why burst cycles are so effective. this also helps eliminate the yoyo of putting on so much weight then loosing it, hence a psychological difference

oh sorry merc endorses this but ronnie rowland has the thread on it

here is where he talked about test e

Note: When high amounts of androgenic anabolics steroids such as testosterone enanthate are introduced into the body, maximum receptor site stimualtion occurs during the first 3-8 weeks. After having been on test for around 8 weeks your libido will begin to level out and eventually decline as will your muscle growth as these receptor sites adjust to the exogenous testosterone. It's during this 3-8 week period of enhanced libido that maximum muscle growth occurs! Some of you will make the majority of your gains during weeks 3-6 while reloading others will gain more during week 5-8. Gains are finalized during the deload (weeks 8-10 of anabolic cycle). I do believe in set time frames in regards to reducing training volume and anabolic dosages. A 1-2 week deload following an 8 week reload is very important because it makes you stronger and packs on some additional muscle due to a rebound effect. Long acting esters will still present during a deload. In addition, the reduction in protein actually helps the body store more protein-hence more muscle mass!

you can also look at the thread...its the TOP STICKY so hopefully you've read those and can understand where i am coming from

I have read this a while back and I understand the concept. These days the only reason I take test is to not shut myself down on my cycles because I use other compounds such as NPP and/or Tren, so I would rather keep my test leaves low and my tren levels much higher. My gains are usually not from test but from the other compound. Having said that I understand Ronnies and Merc assestment.

[chitownhoker]

I have read this a while back and I understand the concept. These days the only reason I take test is to not shut myself down on my cycles because I use other compounds such as NPP and/or Tren, so I would rather keep my test leaves low and my tren levels much higher. My gains are usually not from test but from the other compound. Having said that I understand Ronnies and Merc assestment.

the op was talking about a test e only cycle not including npp or tren???? he isn't take test so hes not shut down.....so are you saying you answered his question based on what your cycles are and not what his cycle is???

idk, lil confusing, but none the less.....to the OP its your choice, some ppl like it 12 some 10, some 8 do some research and it pretty much comes down to which one you want to try. So making a thread asking how long you should take it is just asking for random opinions. You will have much better luck researching yourself and relating it to your situation then coming to decision.

best of luck

[chitownhoker]

oh and my bad, marcus endoreses this for sure, im not sure if merc does but i do think he does too

[Critical Mass]

20ml lasts 10 weeks. Why dont just do 500mg for 10 weeks?

[RANA]

the op was talking about a test e only cycle not including npp or tren???? he isn't take test so hes not shut down.....so are you saying you answered his question based on what your cycles are and not what his cycle is???

idk, lil confusing, but none the less.....to the OP its your choice, some ppl like it 12 some 10, some 8 do some research and it pretty much comes down to which one you want to try. So making a thread asking how long you should take it is just asking for random opinions. You will have much better luck researching yourself and relating it to your situation then coming to decision.

best of luck

I answered to the question by personal experience, having done test only and test with other compounds. If you read above I gave my opionion on what I would run a trest E only (12 weeks) you then made the comments from Merc/Ronnie/Marcus and I explain how I ran it with other compounds.

I try not to parrot other people I can only give them my opinion from what I have ran, all those you named have amazing information that has helped me over the years and if and when I recieve there advise I also do my homework which the OP will have to do.

[chitownhoker]

I answered to the question by personal experience, having done test only and test with other compounds. If you read above I gave my opionion on what I would run a trest E only (12 weeks) you then made the comments from Merc/Ronnie/Marcus and I explain how I ran it with other compounds.

I try not to parrot other people I can only give them my opinion from what I have ran, all those you named have amazing information that has helped me over the years and if and when I recieve there advise I also do my homework which the OP will have to do.

my bad buddy, but ya nothing is better the personal exp. ill know after this cycle if it was a good idea or not, but since they know there shit i figured i might as well try it there way first

[Devils Mentor]

Your PCT needs to start 14 days after your last Test E injection.

So if I run a 12wk I should start my PCT @ week 14? Just want to confirm

What about the T-Bol? I have it dosed as if it were D-Bol. Since T-Bol is not as toxic do you think it OK to bump it up to 40 or 50mg/e/d and/or run it longer?

DM

[Devils Mentor]

well merc suggest an 8 week cycle though.....this is my first cycle and I will only be running it 9 weeks at 300/week of test e.....shorter cycles equals smaller gaiins, but the gains are more keepable! and you recover more quickly and are able to go on another cycle sooner.

I tried to do a search for anything that would resemble this info from Merc, but could not find it. Do you have a link?


Thanks for the input man!


DM

[Devils Mentor]

BUMP for answers to 16# & 17#


DM

[biggerguns]

10 Week 500mg test. Week 13-15 clomid and nolva. Not sure on the dosing of tbol.

[darkcrayz]

you could run tbol/dbol 50mg ed. should be fine. have your liver support ready for after you come off.

[darkcrayz]

however long you run your cycle start your clomid/nolvadex 14 days after your last shot. that is how long it will take the test e to clear out of your system. most recommend the first cycle be 12 weeks so i would run 12 weeks.

[lovbyts]

well merc suggest an 8 week cycle though.....this is my first cycle and I will only be running it 9 weeks at 300/week of test e.....shorter cycles equals smaller gaiins, but the gains are more keepable! and you recover more quickly and are able to go on another cycle sooner.

Im confused who the original OP is now. Are you using 2 accounts?

[Aizen Sosuke]

This is gonna be an ongoing debate as far as cycle length. In my only experience I did not experience any gains in week 11 and 12. So from now on I'll keep it at 10 weeks. This was on test e by the way. But I had to go the 12 weeks to find out so it's really up to you. I'm sure most of these guys have tried one way and the other in order to find their sweet spot.

Now for Tbol I would need your stats, same as test e. I'm stunned no one has asked you yet.

[D7M]

Now for Tbol I would need your stats, same as test e. I'm stunned no one has asked you yet.

good call, AS!

[RANA]

This is gonna be an ongoing debate as far as cycle length. In my only experience I did not experience any gains in week 11 and 12. So from now on I'll keep it at 10 weeks. This was on test e by the way. But I had to go the 12 weeks to find out so it's really up to you. I'm sure most of these guys have tried one way and the other in order to find their sweet spot.

Now for Tbol I would need your stats, same as test e. I'm stunned no one has asked you yet.

I did on post #4 on Nov 1, that's why I stopped giving advised since I didn't get an answer but Chitown and I had a nice discussion.

[redz]

I know for a fact the best part of my cycle on long esters is after week 8 for me. To each his own. I plan on running an extended 15-16 week cycle next go around Test/Tren/EQ, we'll see if the gains stop at some point but I really doubt they will.

[Aizen Sosuke]

I did on post #4 on Nov 1, that's why I stopped giving advised since I didn't get an answer but Chitown and I had a nice discussion.

True that. I don't know how I missed it. I retract my previous statement then sir but we still need stats from op.