Bodybuilders See Kidney Damage With Steroids

[dabigcheese]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/10/sp...0steroids.html

My question here would be: what kinds of doses was he running and which steroids was he taking? Testosterone in moderate doses is not known to damage the kidneys. Could this guy have been taking a lot of Tren?

Some thoughts here would be interesting.

[peachfuzz]

Its the combination of the steroids, prescription meds, painkillers and whatever else they are taking that contributed.

[dabigcheese]

You're saying steroids alone couldn't have done it?

[MBMETC]

I would have to imagine tons of orals, but who really knows what type of damage any aas long term could cause

[dabigcheese]

I thought orals were bad for the liver rather than the Kidneys?

[MBMETC]

Ooops

[dabigcheese]

I wonder if he had high blood pressure or developed high blood pressure. Typically that is the thing that can really screw up the kidneys big time.

[Swifto]

AAS (injectables/orals) are bad for the kidney's. Elevated blood pressure will exert negative effects on the kidney's as will excess water retention.

[dabigcheese]

Bad at any dose? Bad even if they do not result in high blood pressure?

[peachfuzz]

You're saying steroids alone couldn't have done it?

No not at all. Just that the there are too many other variables to conclusively state it was the steroids that caused the damage.

I thought orals were bad for the liver rather than the Kidneys?

they place stress on both.

AAS (injectables/orals) are bad for the kidney's. Elevated blood pressure will exert negative effects on the kidney's as will excess water retention.

agreed

[peachfuzz]

Bad at any dose? Bad even if they do not result in high blood pressure?

I would expect it to be dose dependent.

[dabigcheese]

Well my question is: if the dose you are running is not causing your BP to spike beyond the 120/80 range, is there a risk of kidney damage because you are using steroids?

[Vitruvian-Man]

Well my question is: if the dose you are running is not causing your BP to spike beyond the 120/80 range, is there a risk of kidney damage because you are using steroids?

Yes. The reason being that your kidney's while "ON" cycle have to help filter out so much more protein; since protein synthesis increases dramatically while on AAS. Because of this increase, it puts strain on your kidneys. So technically almost any cycle will 'impact' on your kidney function #'s.

In regards to my own body, I know via BW that I always have influxes in my creatinine levels, and my eGFR & Urea #'s increase.

Hope that helps,

-VM

[Vettester]

Too much media hype on this stuff. Abusing anything will lead to damage of various organs. You can drink too much water and start to have kidney issues. If you are on TRT then your body needs testosterone. The kidneys didn't respond adversely when you were 18 and your testosterone was going up, nor will they on TRT if you keep a balanced program with meds, diet, lifestyle, etc.

There's always that 1 in 10,000 guy with everything, and that includes anything that is over the counter like aspirin or vitamins. Prior to going on TRT, I found out that I had a cyst on my right kidney. My BP used to be a on the high side (140/100), which doctors attributed to the cyst. My doctors are amazed that this cyst has dramatically improved over the past few years. My BP is 115/75. My BUN test results are better than ever. What's changed?? Well, TRT was added, I changed my diet and lifestyle, and I got my ass in shape. Maybe I can put an article in a magazine talking about how AAS cured my issue.

Don't get too worked up when you see a media article showing some poor BB that is now sidelined due to the terrible things that steroids did to him. If he was mega dosing them, plus adding other recreation drugs in the mix, then maybe that was the outcome. If it were a common theme you'd be seeing all sorts of guys on this forum starting to complain about kidney problems.

[Swifto]

Yes. The reason being that your kidney's while "ON" cycle have to help filter out so much more protein; since protein synthesis increases dramatically while on AAS. Because of this increase, it puts strain on your kidneys. So technically almost any cycle will 'impact' on your kidney function #'s.

In regards to my own body, I know via BW that I always have influxes in my creatinine levels, and my eGFR & Urea #'s increase.

Hope that helps,

-VM

Creatine kinase is a good start...

[dabigcheese]

Too much media hype on this stuff. Abusing anything will lead to damage of various organs. You can drink too much water and start to have kidney issues. If you are on TRT then your body needs testosterone. The kidneys didn't respond adversely when you were 18 and your testosterone was going up, nor will they on TRT if you keep a balanced program with meds, diet, lifestyle, etc.

There's always that 1 in 10,000 guy with everything, and that includes anything that is over the counter like aspirin or vitamins. Prior to going on TRT, I found out that I had a cyst on my right kidney. My BP used to be a on the high side (140/100), which doctors attributed to the cyst. My doctors are amazed that this cyst has dramatically improved over the past few years. My BP is 115/75. My BUN test results are better than ever. What's change?? Well, TRT was added, I changed my diet and lifestyle, and I got my ass in shape. Maybe I can put an article in a magazine talking about how AAS cured my issue.

Don't get too worked up when you see a media article showing some poor BB that is now sidelined due to the terrible things that steroids did to him. If he was mega dosing them, plus adding other recreation drugs in the mix, then maybe that was the outcome. If it were a common theme you'd be seeing all sorts of guys on this forum starting to complain about kidney problems.

Words of sanity. I should have learnt my lesson with the media by now.

What you are saying is absolutely correct and, in fact, a healthy testosterone level goes far in ensuring good health.

[bodybuilder]

scarry stuff thanks for clearing the air vetman.

[MuscleScience]

Yes. The reason being that your kidney's while "ON" cycle have to help filter out so much more protein; since protein synthesis increases dramatically while on AAS. Because of this increase, it puts strain on your kidneys. So technically almost any cycle will 'impact' on your kidney function #'s.

In regards to my own body, I know via BW that I always have influxes in my creatinine levels, and my eGFR & Urea #'s increase.

Hope that helps,

-VM

I have never seen a study show a definitive link between either increased protein intake or increase protein synthesis and kidney disease. Extreme muscle wasting diseases like rhabdomyolysis have been used as examples. Most of the time the common link is myoglobin as the disease contributor. As we know in physiology, using disease or animal examples because sometimes it makes sense does not mean that it directly translate into other parts of physiology as a whole.