2nd CYCLE. What do you think?

[mma001]

Hey guys,

Im thinking of running my second cycle soon. I finished my first about 4 weeks ago..
Week 1-12 400mg Deca
Week 1-8 500mg Sus
Week 9-14 750mg Sus

PCT
Week 12-15 Pregnyl 5000 3 times per week
Week 17- present 20mg nolva

I am 30 years old. 6 foot and 87kgs. About 12% body fat.
I was 82kg when i started... got to 90kgs and now am back down to 87kgs.
I wanted to wait another 2 weeks before starting cycle. I know everyone says that time on = time off but I feel great and am keen to go again.

I am thinking of running pretty much the same as before as well as, running 1ml of primoteston.

Just wanted to know what you guys think? Does this sound like a good second cycle. I will do the same PCT as before. The Pregnyl was great. Got my nuts back to normal within a week.

Thanks for your help.

[big_ron]

I think you are trying it rush things, and by looking at your stats you were not ready for AAS, and still arnt. sorry man

[lovbyts]

Get your blood work done first. It's the only way to be sure especially if you are not willing to wait the suggested amount of time. Time on = time off.

Agreed, 6ft and 190 is still a little light for 12%. If you where sub 10% maybe. You should be able to hit 200 lbs (91 kgs) without juice pretty easily

[mma001]

Ok, to be honest, im only guessing my BF% . Im pretty lean, abs are ripped etc. I would say it is lower.
I was 82kg for a few years. Just couldnt get heavier. I ate well, took all the supplements and trained hard but still couldnt bulk. I have a tall lean build (long arms and legs) and find it hard to put on weight so I think im ready for AAS.
Maybe blood work would be the go. I am just really happy with the gains I made and so far have kept. But maybe I should wait a little longer.
Thanks for the advice..

[lovbyts]

Yeah if your abs are RIPPED you are probably closer to 10%. I can defiantly understand urge to get back on but remember the LONG term goals. Health is #1 and if you rush things and have estrogen rebound or something that causes ED or prolactin related gyno you will more than likely get side tracked and depressed and set you back a year or more.

Get the blood work done just to be on the safe side then you have a lot less to worry about.

[mma001]

Thanks for that. If gyno was going to set in, do you think it would have happened by now? I didnt experience any side effects during the course and still havent. I am still taking Nolva just to be safe but was just wondering if I am safe yet.
Thanks again

[lovbyts]

It seems with most people gyno starts somewhere near the middle of a cycle, not the very end. It's also not really recommended to take the Nolva during the cycle due to it can hinder gains. You can take an AI on cycle with no effect to gains and to counter any estrogen buildup and keep the nolva on hand for PCT and just in case you do have issues on cycle to stop the gyno hopefully

[baseline_9]

ur PCT is weak and do u mean 500IU HCG 3 x per week?

[mma001]

Sorry it was pregnyl 5000 i bought. I had 1000IU 3 times a week..

[mick86]

I'd actually suggest using the hcg for the whole duration iof the cycle at around 500iu pw split up into 2 doses of 250mg evenly spaced. have you read this article?

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...mportant-is-it

btw for what it's worth I too think you are rushing things, take a little more tiem off, let your receptors down regulate and concentrate on learning as much as ytou can about eating/training/supplementing and take some time to reflect on how you went with your first cycle and to mentally prepare for your next cycle.

Whats more, as deca is a 19-nor you may want to keep an AI handy (in case of gyno etc), and in fact I prefer to run a SERM and an AI for pct when using a 19-nor, but that's just my personally preference. I've read many different views regarding pct. From now on I'll be using HCG on cycle and a SERM and an AI post.

Additionally 750mg suss is a pretty high dose for your second cycle, especially considering your also planing to run deca. Personally I think you could do just as well using less but just eating a little better. I would think that 500mg p/w would be enough for your first few cycles, I've run 5 now and I still only use 500-600mg pw.

[mma001]

Thanks for that info. Yes you are right. I really need to sort my diet out. I thought i ate pretty well, but just having a look at the diet section on bulking, and it looks as though i need to be eating even more. Especially due to the fact that not only to I lift weights 5-6 times per week, I also train mma 4-5 times per week of an evening. Im burning up a lot of calories.
Tons of good info here. Thanks again!

And just in reagrds to the 750mg of Sus, with me, It wasnt really until week 9 that i saw any real results. Now im not sure if that was because it takes that long to enter the system or if it was because i went from 500 to 750 mgs? I personally felt really good with the higher dosage. So with my second cycle, I was going to run 500mg of Sus and 200-250mgs of primoteston. I just felt like i got more from taking more.
Im keen to take the primoteston due to the excellent reviews i have been getting from my friends that have been on it. And a couple are fairly serious bodybuilding competitors. Only thing turning me of is the price. Is there anything similar you guys might be able to recommend that isnt so expensive?
Thanks

[boxin23]

Thanks for that info. Yes you are right. I really need to sort my diet out. I thought i ate pretty well, but just having a look at the diet section on bulking, and it looks as though i need to be eating even more. Especially due to the fact that not only to I lift weights 5-6 times per week, I also train mma 4-5 times per week of an evening. Im burning up a lot of calories.
Tons of good info here. Thanks again!

And just in reagrds to the 750mg of Sus, with me, It wasnt really until week 9 that i saw any real results. Now im not sure if that was because it takes that long to enter the system or if it was because i went from 500 to 750 mgs? I personally felt really good with the higher dosage. So with my second cycle, I was going to run 500mg of Sus and 200-250mgs of primoteston. I just felt like i got more from taking more.
Im keen to take the primoteston due to the excellent reviews i have been getting from my friends that have been on it. And a couple are fairly serious bodybuilding competitors. Only thing turning me of is the price. Is there anything similar you guys might be able to recommend that isnt so expensive?
Thanks

Primoteston is Test E. I don't understand.....you are going to be running test with your sus? Sus is a blend of different esters of Test. So you are going to be taking Test with your Test?

[mma001]

Yes thats correct. I know that sus has 4 different blends in it, but i have heard so many good things about primoteston. I know that primoteston is enanthate but the people i know that have taken primoteston rate it so much higher against other enanthates. I might not have made it clear but I will also be running 400mgs of deca per week as well. My friends have ran this exact cycle with some amazing results.

[boxin23]

I guess I will parot what i have read here over and over again. TEST is TEST is TEST is TEST. The only difference is the ester that is attached to it.
Meaning the E, or A or whatever ester it is you have. The amount of test that is in it per gram is different per ester as well.

Test E (primoteston) is a great AAS, i do agree. I would absolutely say run it instead of the Sus. You don't have to run both with the deca. They are doing the same thing. You are wasting your money, unless your goal is to shoot a gram a week of test, then that is what you are doing depending on what your dosage is.

[mma001]

I have some Sus and deca left over from my last cycle so i will obviously use that. Basically i would be having three shots per week. Monday and friday- 1ml sus 1 ml deca wednesday 1ml primoteston. So all up 750mg of test and 400mg of deca per week. I would love to just run 3mls of primoteston per week, but here is australia it is editedl!!! Not cheap. Sus on the other hand is. So i thought i would have the best of both worlds.

[mick86]

I think your over complicating things, I agree with moxin23, just use a single esstered test like Test E, save the sust, in fact if it was me personally I'd throw the sust away, I really dont think much of test blends. The cons far out way any pro's (if in fact any pros's do exist). As for slow results on your first cycle, as you may or not be aware long esters regularly take around 7 weeks to reach maximum blood levels (due to their long half lives) , that's why it's advisable to front load (take double the regular dose for the first week).

I'd say run Test E or Test C at 500mg pw but use 1000mg just for the first week. Shoot every 3-4 days so split total weekly dose in half. If you wish to combine Deca use it at 300-400mg pw (I dont subscribe to running double the dose of test, i think as long as the test is the dominant hormone msot people will be fine. In fact as long as the test is run at at least 250mg pw many people find they can run 19-nors at doses above the dosage of test, though I'd addvise avoiding thaty practce, especially during your earlier cycles), Btw split Deca shots into 2 even doses and shoot when shooting the test.

That's my opinion.

[mma001]

Thanks for that. Turns out I couldnt get the primoteston so i am waiting for some other enanthate as well as some masteron.
I will let you know of the results!