1st Cycle of Steriods

[BigE77]

Hey everyone! The reason for my post is to ask advice from current or former users of steroids. I am a former college football player and have been training in the gym for over 8 years now. I do know a good bit about lifting free weights such as what types of exercises and techniques to use to have optimal gians in muscle building. Over this past summer I joined a new gym close to my home and really started to enjoy the bodybuilding type lifting, not just the bulky football muscle type workouts that I have been doing for so long now. I am 22 years old and am 6'4" and weigh in around 260lbs. I really want to try a cycle of steroids, but my problem is that there are so many different types and doses out there that I have no idea what would be a good starting point for me. I have spent countless hours on the internet searching for answers but everything I find makes no sense and they are all different. I would really like just someone to lay it out there and tell me what would be a great 1st cycle for me along with doses and any other advice you have on the matter. Thanks!

[stpete]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread....#.TqkW9XJYWSo

[stpete]

It's really not that complicated if you do your research and know what you want to achieve. You're a little young for AAS imo, and you need to research that as well. We are here to help but i don't think anyone's going to spoon feed you through a cycle as you are the only person that can determine which cycle would be best for you. Do your research, come up w/ a plan, and then let us know of proposed cycle. Then we will be more than happy to help you out. Good people here.

[Dustin0050]

"Trenbolone, winstrol, clenbuterol, anavar. That is our roid cycle for 5 weeks." this is the cycle my friend said that we should take. He said he's done his research. Idk the measurements. Any thoughts ideas or suggestions?

[xelnaga]

Troll.

[stpete]

"Trenbolone, winstrol, clenbuterol, anavar. That is our roid cycle for 5 weeks." this is the cycle my friend said that we should take. He said he's done his research. Idk the measurements. Any thoughts ideas or suggestions?

I just answered your question in your post. Not cool to rip someone's post. And your "friend" is probably your dealer and definitely an idiot!

[Strongarm5791]

Well, I believe that if you just have to use gear, as everone recommends around this forum, that your diet is on the money, you get enough rest, the research is done for individual proposed results and dosages, your mental attitude is set, and you know what to do for post cycle. Note that I said "Have" to. Have you reached that plateau? Not making anymore gains? Not shredded enough? Bodybuilding is MADE in the kitchen. No matter what gear you plan to use, make sure the diet is ON the money. I don't want to tell you what to use, or what not to use, but I believe that TEST is best....Just my opinion..
Good luck....

[im83931]

"Trenbolone, winstrol, clenbuterol, anavar. That is our roid cycle for 5 weeks." this is the cycle my friend said that we should take. He said he's done his research. Idk the measurements. Any thoughts ideas or suggestions?

Please do not listen to this. Thats a horrible cycle.

[BigE77]

So I have done a little bit of research since my last posting and I am looking in to doing a beginners cycle of Test E at 500mg a week for 10-12 weeks. Splitting this up into two injections a week. Any reccomendations on a stack along with the Test E and also whats the best PCT for this type of cycle?

[JohnnyVegas]

So I have done a little bit of research since my last posting and I am looking in to doing a beginners cycle of Test E at 500mg a week for 10-12 weeks. Splitting this up into two injections a week. Any reccomendations on a stack along with the Test E and also whats the best PCT for this type of cycle?

You had it right in the first part of your post. No stack. Just test.

Definitely do PCT research, and don't start a cycle without having your PCT IN HAND. If you need to stop the cycle early (injury, family emergency) you will need to have it.

[stpete]

^^^^ This.

[stpete]

Price discussions are not allowed. Should be someone locally to help you out. Why not just do your research via the internet to get an idea?

[BigE77]

so after doing some reading I have seen that Clomid has been the PCT of choice after a Test E cycle of 10-12 weeks. Any recomendations on anything to go along with the Test E? I have seen in some post that people are taking things to counter act the bloating and water retention and other things that occur with a Test cycle. I am looking into starting this cycle within the next 2 months and really would like to get all the info I can on optimizing this type of cycle. So if you have anything to add to just a cycle of Test E for 10-12 weeks along with clomid as a PCT I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks.

[Honkey_Kong]

so after doing some reading I have seen that Clomid has been the PCT of choice after a Test E cycle of 10-12 weeks. Any recomendations on anything to go along with the Test E? I have seen in some post that people are taking things to counter act the bloating and water retention and other things that occur with a Test cycle. I am looking into starting this cycle within the next 2 months and really would like to get all the info I can on optimizing this type of cycle. So if you have anything to add to just a cycle of Test E for 10-12 weeks along with clomid as a PCT I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks.

Why not just run tamoxifen instead of clomid? And what have you read that indicates that Clomid is the superior PCT drug?

[BigE77]

Why not just run tamoxifen instead of clomid? And what have you read that indicates that Clomid is the superior PCT drug?

Every search that I have looked at has shown clomid as the pct of choice. I really havent seen any other pct for a test cycle in all my searches other than clomid.

[Honkey_Kong]

Every search that I have looked at has shown clomid as the pct of choice. I really havent seen any other pct for a test cycle in all my searches other than clomid.

Give this a read. And ask some of the moderators and HOFers here. They know a lot about this.

www . mind and muscle . net/articles/clomid-nolvadex-and-testosterone-stimulation/

[BigE77]

Give this a read. And ask some of the moderators and HOFers here. They know a lot about this.

www . mind and muscle . net/articles/clomid-nolvadex-and-testosterone-stimulation/

Thanks a lot...really good stuff in this article. From other things I have read they suggest taking this type of drug during the test cycle to counter act bitch tits and other side effects. So would you suggest Nolvadex during the test cycle or only for pct? I'm a little confused about this.

[Honkey_Kong]

Thanks a lot...really good stuff in this article. From other things I have read they suggest taking this type of drug during the test cycle to counter act bitch tits and other side effects. So would you suggest Nolvadex during the test cycle or only for pct? I'm a little confused about this.

I wouldn't use nolva during the cycle. I'd look in to arimidex.

[BigE77]

I wouldn't use nolva during the cycle. I'd look in to arimidex.

Awesome...thanks!

[Doctapeppa]

Check out this post here:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...-A-with-Swifto....

What you want is post #5, option 2.

If you have any questions about it, he's still answering questions in that post.

[BigE77]

Any supplements I should stay away from during this cycle?

[xo3et]

Whats your BF% mate?

[BigE77]

The last time I had it checked was over the summer after I had surgery and hadn't been lifting any. It was around 25% then. Since then I have been working out but havent had it checked since the summer.

[Honkey_Kong]

The last time I had it checked was over the summer after I had surgery and hadn't been lifting any. It was around 25% then. Since then I have been working out but havent had it checked since the summer.

I didn't know you had some off time because of surgery. Maybe you should think about putting off a cycle until spring or summer?

[BigE77]

It was due to a shoulder injury from football but the surgery was actually last January and I didnt start lifting again until the summer. But I have been working out hard and havent had any problems with it.

[Honkey_Kong]

It was due to a shoulder injury from football but the surgery was actually last January and I didnt start lifting again until the summer. But I have been working out hard and havent had any problems with it.

You don't want to re-injure that shoulder. If I were in your shoes, I'd wait at least until summer. So be careful if you decide to go on.

[BigE77]

My plan was to start the cycle in January

[xo3et]

25% is too high. Square away your diet and get back into training and get the BF% down.

I would not cycle at that BF% even if i was 30yrs old, you risk sides and to me your not ready. Age and body condition is a no go.

My advice is dont cycle.