whats the avg gain for a first time users of muscle

[DrewBombs]

say if i had 16in arms what would they be after a 12 wk cycle and chest and so on

[xelnaga]

Too many variables to answer a question of this nature. Diet, genetics, rest, training, and compounds.

[DrewBombs]

Too many variables to answer a question of this nature. Diet, genetics, rest, training, and compounds.

if this helps the genetics part i can eat shitty food and build a decent body, the diet 5000+cals decent clean, rest i work parttime. my training split looks like this
day1 pecs/biceps
day 2 legs
day 3 off
day 4 delts triceps
day 5 back
day 6 off
day 7 off

test e 500mg-700 and dbol 50mg

[slfmade]

Did you realize that cycling at your age will more than likely cause irreversable damage to your HPTA and endocrine system resulting in depression, ED, No libido (you won't want to have sex), and a lifetime of hormone and/or Testosterone Repla***ent therapy? Your HPTA and Endocrine is still developing at your age...doing steriods now would be a very foolish and childish mistake. I hope you consider this.

[felk87]

Did you realize that cycling at your age will more than likely cause irreversable damage to your HPTA and endocrine system resulting in depression, ED, No libido (you won't want to have sex), and a lifetime of hormone and/or Testosterone Repla***ent therapy? Your HPTA and Endocrine is still developing at your age...doing steriods now would be a very foolish and childish mistake. I hope you consider this.

What he said ^^^^^

[gixxerboy1]

i love how everyone eats 4000-5000 clean calories a day.

[tommy0677]

i love how everyone eats 4000-5000 clean calories a day.

It's gotta be true!?! It's on the internets... and nobody lies do they?!?

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[alexISthrowed]

i love how everyone eats 4000-5000 clean calories a day.

I just got done bulking with about 5000 calories a day (only on training days) minus cheat meals. Adding whole eggs to un-rinsed ground beef with massive amounts of white rice. Most people would shit their pants if they say a 5000 calorie diet on paper.

[BigBench550]

I just got done bulking with about 5000 calories a day (only on training days) minus cheat meals. Adding whole eggs to un-rinsed ground beef with massive amounts of white rice. Most people would shit their pants if they say a 5000 calorie diet on paper.

Yeah no one realizes how much CLEAN food it takes to get to 5000 cals.

[randymeans]

No guys, he said decent clean

[gixxerboy1]

No guys, he said decent clean

still. i 99.9999999% sure he isnt eating that much decent clean or not.

And my comment was about his comment and alot of other threads where every 160lb guy is eating 4000 cal w a perfect diet

[randymeans]

still. i 99.9999999% sure he isnt eating that much decent clean or not.

And my comment was about his comment and alot of other threads where every 160lb guy is eating 4000 cal w a perfect diet

I was bein sarcastic lol, well I notice what your sayin. I like looking at new threads just to read stuff like that. I enjoy this "I've done a ton of research but I still have no clue"

[DrewBombs]

still. i 99.9999999% sure he isnt eating that much decent clean or not.

And my comment was about his comment and alot of other threads where every 160lb guy is eating 4000 cal w a perfect diet

oats
rice
chicken
steak
peanut butter
russian bear 5000 weight gainer
im 180lbs

[haterade]

oats
rice
chicken
steak
peanut butter
russian bear 5000 weight gainer
im 180lbs

Would not consider weight gainer clean

[gixxerboy1]

oats
rice
chicken
steak
peanut butter
russian bear 5000 weight gainer
im 180lbs

with out portion sizes that can be 2000 calores.
i cant see how anyone can eat 5000 cal and be 180. You would have to burn a crazy amount of calories a day

[DrewBombs]

right now i havent started yet but i can lose weight easy. at my job im always walking and lifting

[Awesome_Archy]

First you need to break down your diet a bit more carbs, proteins and fats. You honestly shouldn't be running a cycle yet. I'm a bit confused though are you trying to loose weight or bulk up?

[Awesome_Archy]

if you really are taking in 5000 clean calories with a good split at your age you shouldn't need to cycle at all.

Only typed half a thought on the first one.

[evander87]

5000 cals clean is a b!tch. I tried and even with eating 4lbs of chicken breast a day on my best days I was hitting maybe 4000 "clean". It's an enormous amount of chicken, rice, and veg to add up to 5000 cals.

I will say next cycle Milk is going to be my best friend. Acne be damned.

[Bonaparte]

"whats the avg gain for a first time users of muscle"
Please tell me English isn't your native language...

[Whoady]

Lol the title was pretty painful to read.

[ovidiu31]

Wait a few more years and your ss are horrible work on it and on your diet..

[Times Roman]

say if i had 16in arms what would they be after a 12 wk cycle and chest and so on

Drewbombs
I’ve asked you nicely a few times now to not keep asking the same questions over and over. You are too young, period.
No member here will give someone your age the “advice” you seek.

This is getting old. Please stop
---Roman

[jamesz123]

say if i had 16in arms what would they be after a 12 wk cycle and chest and so on

Sorry bro but ANYONE who asks a question like that is just asking for it ...
Train natural for a couple of years and that will teach you how to lift for bodybuilding purposes (that will smoothen your lifting movements etc) so you can stress the desired muscle as you like (mind muscle connection or whatever fancy word you want to call it). Try to clean up your diet. BE VERY CONSISTENT. Try to see how much training is enough for you and how much your body's response changes to training.

Boring, simple and yet so freakn hard to do/understand when you are real young and inexperienced.
than use one cycle and see what happens. AFTER THAT your journey will really start even if you do not want to compete. WOW WEEEE