Stupid question but curious?

[dylan111557]

So everyone here basically says to have years of training + your diet perfected before even thinking of a cycle, and to be 25.

The only thing I still don't understand is the age of 25? under 25 your testosterone is higher and if you take gear you will shut down production? Why wouldn't your production of testosterone stop if you took gear at age 25?
-Possibility of shutting it down***

[dumb_aas]

Your natural production does shut down no matter the age. Only difference is by about that age your body has finished developing and you're more likely to return to normal production

[gonzo6183]

It will but your endo system is fully developed by then, therefor the steroid use is not preventing that from happinging. Also as you age your natural test levels start to drop, up to the age of 25 they are peaking naturally so you should take advantage of that while you have it.

[dylan111557]

If someone didn't want to get big but just wanted to get decent size and stay that size what would be the harm in doing 2-3 cycles? I looked up a bit about endo system and I don't fully understand, if it's done growing around 25, and gear causes my testosterone to shut down, won't I be just as F**ked if it shut down at a younger age? I don't know how testosterone ranks, but let's say a peak is around 800? On gear how high does that number go? And what if someone used minimal amount (small doses) and upped that number by just 200 lets say?

[Simon1972]

If someone didn't want to get big but just wanted to get decent size and stay that size what would be the harm in doing 2-3 cycles? I looked up a bit about endo system and I don't fully understand, if it's done growing around 25, and gear causes my testosterone to shut down, won't I be just as F**ked if it shut down at a younger age? I don't know how testosterone ranks, but let's say a peak is around 800? On gear how high does that number go? And what if someone used minimal amount (small doses) and upped that number by just 200 lets say?

your endocrine system isnt developed yet, did you read gonzo's post? under 25 your body cant handle it - after 25 it can. yes you will shut down at both ages, but you can recover generally well after 25. below 25 you are running a risk of permanant damage.

dont do it until after 25 at least- considering your test levels are peaking at 25- you will get huge just by eating and working out- gains will be permanent- only consider roids once you reach an old age or have reached your natural maximum limit- its too risky. if you still are going to anyway- make sure you have all your ancillaries, PCT etc in place before you buy any juice. or you will indeed damage your body for life.

[dylan111557]

your endocrine system isnt developed yet, did you read gonzo's post? under 25 your body cant handle it - after 25 it can. yes you will shut down at both ages, but you can recover generally well after 25. below 25 you are running a risk of permanant damage.

dont do it until after 25 at least- considering your test levels are peaking at 25- you will get huge just by eating and working out- gains will be permanent- only consider roids once you reach an old age or have reached your natural maximum limit- its too risky. if you still are going to anyway- make sure you have all your ancillaries, PCT etc in place before you buy any juice. or you will indeed damage your body for life.

So is shutting down based on total RANDOMNESS? Also if it starts to decline at 25, wouldn't that mean age 24 is a higher testosterone level than age 20? Are these conditions shutting down/erectile disfunction/infertile etc... all based on randomness, or doing a cycle wrong?

[Simon1972]

So is shutting down based on total RANDOMNESS? Also if it starts to decline at 25, wouldn't that mean age 24 is a higher testosterone level than age 20? Are these conditions shutting down/erectile disfunction/infertile etc... all based on randomness, or doing a cycle wrong?

seriously??? did you read my post? dont do steroids until your endocrine system is matured.
you are 18- that gives you 7 years to research, join a gym and start eating.
1. your endocrine system is imature- it cant handle steroids without melting down-
2. your test levels will shut down- your balls need to mature so they can recover after PCT.

measure your balls and tell us what size they are currently.

[big_ron]

So everyone here basically says to have years of training + your diet perfected before even thinking of a cycle, and to be 25.

The only thing I still don't understand is the age of 25? under 25 your testosterone is higher and if you take gear you will shut down production? Why wouldn't your production of testosterone stop if you took gear at age 25?
-Possibility of shutting it down***

Not a stupid question at all!

[skrillexbb]

I know a lot of people who started early ,and they are fine today ... I think that it is a case by case... I have a friend who were taking test, HGH, insulin ,tren ........ all year long and he fell fine and don't have prob (exepte the fact that he is maybe sort 5 feet 5 lol )

[dylan111557]

I know a lot of people who started early ,and they are fine today ... I think that it is a case by case... I have a friend who were taking test, HGH, insulin ,tren ........ all year long and he fell fine and don't have prob (exepte the fact that he is maybe sort 5 feet 5 lol )

Ya that's what i'm wondering, is it just a gamble? Hoping you get lucky? and I'm 5'11-6foot, dad is exact same, almost identical when it comes to body types/height/weight etc... My dad used to workout at my age and he stayed around 7% bodyfat and 175lbs, Mind you back then he was in a family of 8, that didn't have the most protein possible on hand

[Psychoeric210]

It's all about choices. The short term advantages out weigh the long term disadvantages and risks IMHO. What happens when you are the small% that loses erectile function early, damages their libido, gets gyno, or has to go on HRT/TRT for the rest of your life? Any idea how expensive RT is if you don't have insurance....hell, even if you do. When the vets say 25 it's not a random number, there's science behind it. Research, reading, and study will get ya a long way. (Not trying to blast ya either) Just everybody is different. I've heard of some horror stories and seen some s*it.

[Psychoeric210]

Also, everybody that cycles runs the potential risks associated with AAS. Even @ 25+. It's not a coincidence that many old-timers (I say this in a loving fashion lol) who have ran many many many many cycles, are themselves on TRT and the such. Search "viagra" or "cialis" or "balding" or "infertility" and see how many posts come up.

[gixxerboy1]

it isnt something you test out. so tech you could take some to " test out" and not bounce back ever. Or you may " bounce back from your test. So then run it again for real and never bounce back because the combo of shutting it down twice has screwed you.

your rolling the dice no matter how you want to word it. Like i said its your body, running something "weak" and gaining 5lbs isnt worth the risk of erection issues for life. I would rather be skinny and be able to fvck.

[dylan111557]

it isnt something you test out. so tech you could take some to " test out" and not bounce back ever. Or you may " bounce back from your test. So then run it again for real and never bounce back because the combo of shutting it down twice has screwed you.

your rolling the dice no matter how you want to word it. Like i said its your body, running something "weak" and gaining 5lbs isnt worth the risk of erection issues for life. I would rather be skinny and be able to fvck.

Alright, thanks for the great info man! Ya got to keep my dikc running! And out of curiosity, at what age did you being to juice?

[Chuckdiesel]

it isnt something you test out. so tech you could take some to " test out" and not bounce back ever. Or you may " bounce back from your test. So then run it again for real and never bounce back because the combo of shutting it down twice has screwed you.

your rolling the dice no matter how you want to word it. Like i said its your body, running something "weak" and gaining 5lbs isnt worth the risk of erection issues for life. I would rather be skinny and be able to fvck.

Haha, amen to that brother!

[gixxerboy1]

22.. was on trt before 30. That was also 13 years ago before i knew better or there was this much info out there