any advice welcome :)

[smiffy180]

hi everyone,
posted up a hello couple week ago and the member that said welcome back suggested i leave it a while before taking steroids
this is my current situation, while my lifts are high (training for britains strongest man) i lack any concentration and anger in the gym. im not even an angry person in general so firstly i will be going for a testosterone check before i even start a cycle.
i am 20 (21 in feb) been training 8 months (6 of those strongman training) and gonna train at least a year before i start a course anyway so hopefully i wont pick up injuries.
So whats your input on wether or not i should start a course?
ive read the education part and i think im going to do 12 weeks of test (recommendations of which one?) with weeks 1-4 of dbol as a kick start.
my current stats are:
6'3
140kg (bf no idea probs 25%?)
bench 140kg
squat 140kg
leg press 600kg
deadlift 190kg
any others you want to know just ask
cheers all

[papa-g]

Simply put, you should wait till your older. It just is not a good idea. And why are your squats and bench the same, seem like you should be squaring way more then you bench. IMO.

[gearbox]

I would not cycle yet bro, you are very young.

I would get a good clean diet and you will make great gains. GOOD DIET

Your HPTA is not done developing till your around 25, no this does not matter if you feel your already grown or hit puberty early in life.

[smiffy180]

Simply put, you should wait till your older. It just is not a good idea. And why are your squats and bench the same, seem like you should be squaring way more then you bench. IMO.

No idea im really bad at squatting :/ i do squat as far down as i can go though; if i go down to just pass it off as a squat then i can get 180kg but i like to go as low as possible

[smiffy180]

I would not cycle yet bro, you are very young.

I would get a good clean diet and you will make great gains. GOOD DIET

Your HPTA is not done developing till your around 25, no this does not matter if you feel your already grown or hit puberty early in life.

yeh i keep revising my diet to keep it clean but as its a strongman diet its not as strict as a body builder so i do leave some crap in it i guess.
what problems would i encounter if i did start a cycle now? as you can imagine i really want to put more weight up - would like to be the uk's youngest competitor and also win lol

[songdog]

You are to young!!! and you only been lifting a few months.Not a smart thing to do.

[Times Roman]

Mate,
at 6'3" and 140kg, you are definately a big boy. but the numbers you are throwing up don't suggest you are ready for steroids, strength wise, and the fact you seem to carry alot of body fat also leads me to the same conclusion. 8 months of trainining is a drop in the bucket. I know at your age it seems like a while, but it's not. I'm 50 and my total combined years of total training is longer than you've been alive. So it's all a matter of perspective. If you had better numbers on your lifts, and if it seemed you had a natural talent for this, then i might entertain your argument that you "need" steroids. But to be honest, your numbers are pretty average, and for a big boy like you, they are on the low side. I'd say skip the aas, and just get your diet and workout routines in check. I have a mate at the gym, that is 155 lbs, which is less than 80kg, leg pressing almost as much as you, and he's half your size. Not trying to be disrespectful, just realistic with your aspirations.
Good luck!
---Roman

[gearbox]

well things are different if you are going to live a life of competing in events or a strong man. However, that is a decision that takes serious thought imo...

Anything can happen but the common known things are going on trt by the time your 30 for the rest of your life. (that is no picnic either)
not being able to get a hard on without drugs, or one at all in some extreme cases..

[smiffy180]

You are to young!!! and you only been lifting a few months.Not a smart thing to do.

i know ive not been lifting long, im planning for future use. As for age you all know best so i am taking all this on board

[smiffy180]

Mate,
at 6'3" and 140kg, you are definately a big boy. but the numbers you are throwing up don't suggest you are ready for steroids, strength wise, and the fact you seem to carry alot of body fat also leads me to the same conclusion. 8 months of trainining is a drop in the bucket. I know at your age it seems like a while, but it's not. I'm 50 and my total combined years of total training is longer than you've been alive. So it's all a matter of perspective. If you had better numbers on your lifts, and if it seemed you had a natural talent for this, then i might entertain your argument that you "need" steroids. But to be honest, your numbers are pretty average, and for a big boy like you, they are on the low side. I'd say skip the aas, and just get your diet and workout routines in check. I have a mate at the gym, that is 155 lbs, which is less than 80kg, leg pressing almost as much as you, and he's half your size. Not trying to be disrespectful, just realistic with your aspirations.
Good luck!
---Roman

thanks i know you don't consider it a lot but for 8 months training how many people do know that can jump up to that weight that quick? As for the body fat im basing it on other users who say 20% but look lean so i have no idea? it just sits on my stomach area and the rest is really good tbh. yes i dont 'need' them but i would like a boost every 6 months which is why i have been considering. As everyone has said though my age is too young which i have to take on board.

[smiffy180]

yes i would like to do strongman as a career, my family and friends are supporting me anyways which is nice
if i were to cycle twice a year would i need trt by the time im 30?

[Times Roman]

thanks i know you don't consider it a lot but for 8 months training how many people do know that can jump up to that weight that quick? As for the body fat im basing it on other users who say 20% but look lean so i have no idea? it just sits on my stomach area and the rest is really good tbh. yes i dont 'need' them but i would like a boost every 6 months which is why i have been considering. As everyone has said though my age is too young which i have to take on board.

well, let's take a look

after 8 months,

bench 140kg - your own body weight
squat 140kg - your own body weight
leg press 600kg - nice! but again, i've got this skinny bloke at the gym that can LP 1100 lbs, which is 7x his own weight. You are around 4x your weight. More than i can do, but I'm not thinking about competing in a strong man contest.
deadlift 190kg - less than 1.5x our body weight

Mate,

these numbers suggest, in relation to your body weight, this is what most people can do with the same amount of time in the gym as you, with, maybe the exception being, the leg press. I do reps at 3x my body weight but am limited to max weight due to knee problems.

So to suggest that you need steroids to compete in a strong man contest, with your current numbers, and your age, I'd say fail. I'm not trying to be disrespectful, or trash your dreams. But you are just starting out, and I think it will be another few years before you are ready.

Your numbers when looked at by little guys, are pretty impressive. But you won't be competing against little blokes. You will be competing against big boys just like you. And these monsters will be able to do multiples of their own body weight.

Good luck!
---Roman

[smiffy180]

well, let's take a look

after 8 months,

bench 140kg - your own body weight
squat 140kg - your own body weight
leg press 600kg - nice! but again, i've got this skinny bloke at the gym that can LP 1100 lbs, which is 7x his own weight. You are around 4x your weight. More than i can do, but I'm not thinking about competing in a strong man contest.
deadlift 190kg - less than 1.5x our body weight

Mate,

these numbers suggest, in relation to your body weight, this is what most people can do with the same amount of time in the gym as you, with, maybe the exception being, the leg press. I do reps at 3x my body weight but am limited to max weight due to knee problems.

So to suggest that you need steroids to compete in a strong man contest, with your current numbers, and your age, I'd say fail. I'm not trying to be disrespectful, or trash your dreams. But you are just starting out, and I think it will be another few years before you are ready.

Your numbers when looked at by little guys, are pretty impressive. But you won't be competing against little blokes. You will be competing against big boys just like you. And these monsters will be able to do multiples of their own body weight.

Good luck!
---Roman

ah well maybe its just the 'little' guys that boost my ego haha. i do respect what you post im just hitting my barrier at the moment and yes i havnt trained long, im just prepping in advance and asking about. i want to do a local competition next year which will put in perspective of how far ive come. i think you lot must be monsters thinking about it because theres people in my gym on juice just matching some of my lifts?
the big question: i know you really are against a young person starting steroids but how badly do you think i would okay on them? ive always been against steroids but always went on what the media portrayed. like i said i dont want to be on them all the time i just want a boost every 6 months to help past that barrier. I know training techniques etc can get past this but im in 2 minds when to start. Its not the peer pressure its knowing the results that can be achieved and wanting to try it out for myself.
so annoying to be young and stupid eh haha.

[deathdodger]

I would lift naturally a little more before taking the leap.

[smiffy180]

I would lift naturally a little more before taking the leap.

oh yeh i am going to wait longer i was just asking what people think to the cycle etc

[Times Roman]

Mate,
Most people, if not all people, experience their best gains in the gym in the first year. Increases in strength can easily go up 50% the first 6 months of initial training. Yours is not different! After that, it get's slow. This is where most newbs really get frustrated and want a short cut. I've seen it hundreds of times.

Next.
Until you reach your mid twenties when your hormonal system is fully developed/mature, taking steroids now will increase the risk of problems down the road, as compared to the risk you'd be taking if you wait a few years when in your mid twenties. True, there will still be a risk of cycling after your mid twenties, but not as great compared to now.

You can minimize risk by implementing a robust PCT, and an AI during cycle. But even then, you will still be exposed to risk.

Next.
Do you know what these risks are? How about ED (erictile disfunction), like trying to make love to your woman, and all you've got to offer is a limp noodle?? or how about low libido? this is where your woman wants to make love to you, and you are more interested in watching NASCAR. Or how about depression? there are a variety of sides you would be putting yourself at risk of getting.

Not trying to scare you.

But if your excuse to using aas is you want to be in a strong man contest, I'd think before considering, you'd have numbers that wouuld suggest you'd even have a remote chance of being competitive. But right now, you're just a big boy with only 8 months in the gym with very average numbers.

[BurntRbr]

Wait until the gym becomes your sanctuary after 1.5 years or so and killing it will be no big deal. We all hit road blocks and working naturally may mean you need to find a different route on passing that barrier although it can be done!

[smiffy180]

Mate,
Most people, if not all people, experience their best gains in the gym in the first year. Increases in strength can easily go up 50% the first 6 months of initial training. Yours is not different! After that, it get's slow. This is where most newbs really get frustrated and want a short cut. I've seen it hundreds of times.

Next.
Until you reach your mid twenties when your hormonal system is fully developed/mature, taking steroids now will increase the risk of problems down the road, as compared to the risk you'd be taking if you wait a few years when in your mid twenties. True, there will still be a risk of cycling after your mid twenties, but not as great compared to now.

You can minimize risk by implementing a robust PCT, and an AI during cycle. But even then, you will still be exposed to risk.

Next.
Do you know what these risks are? How about ED (erictile disfunction), like trying to make love to your woman, and all you've got to offer is a limp noodle?? or how about low libido? this is where your woman wants to make love to you, and you are more interested in watching NASCAR. Or how about depression? there are a variety of sides you would be putting yourself at risk of getting.

Not trying to scare you.

But if your excuse to using aas is you want to be in a strong man contest, I'd think before considering, you'd have numbers that wouuld suggest you'd even have a remote chance of being competitive. But right now, you're just a big boy with only 8 months in the gym with very average numbers.

yeh i am going to train longer before i do i just dont think im going to wait until im 25. i do respect what everyone has to say and yes i should listen but 25 is a long time away and i just dont know :/
all strongmen are on some form of aas anyway arnt they?

[Times Roman]

25 is just a safe number. You could be ready, hormonally, at 24, maybe even 23.

Here's what i'd suggest, take the advice or leave it... up to you.

go into your first strongman contest natty. so you get a feel of what it will take to compete. If you are somewhere in the realm of "able to compete soon", then maybe steroids is the edge you need. If you are blown out the water, and blokes are doing extreme amounts more than you, then i'd suggest not going the aas route, as it won't make a difference anyways.

[smiffy180]

25 is just a safe number. You could be ready, hormonally, at 24, maybe even 23.

Here's what i'd suggest, take the advice or leave it... up to you.

go into your first strongman contest natty. so you get a feel of what it will take to compete. If you are somewhere in the realm of "able to compete soon", then maybe steroids is the edge you need. If you are blown out the water, and blokes are doing extreme amounts more than you, then i'd suggest not going the aas route, as it won't make a difference anyways.

im taking the advice, theres a local comp next year that i should be able to do well in.
i am however going to get a testosterone check just to see wether im too calm or if my levels are lower than normal.
i will keep updates though of comps and stats

[gearbox]

i personally would train with these comps for at least 3 years to see if thats really what you want to do. these strong men are very very dedicated to their bodies, routine, training, stretching. so many other factors.
you dont just pop a pill and lift like these men, they are hitting insane numbers...

[smiffy180]

i personally would train with these comps for at least 3 years to see if thats really what you want to do. these strong men are very very dedicated to their bodies, routine, training, stretching. so many other factors.
you dont just pop a pill and lift like these men, they are hitting insane numbers...

this is what i want to do. i will get there one day i know there more to popping a pill.

[lestat85]

I think your taking stories of "roid rage" a little too seriously. I would suggest you look up the symptoms of low test. Being a calm person is not a bad thing by any means and does not suggest low test. Personally, I'm a pretty calm person in general and people are very surprised when I get angry. I just had bloodwork done and my test is perfectly normal. I'm not saying you are necessarily wrong, but being a calm person does not indicate low test and you should look up what the symptoms are before thinking there is something wrong with you just because you don't lose your temper easy.

[smiffy180]

i have looked up symptoms and i think i have a couple hence why i wanted a check just for interest.

[lestat85]

i have looked up symptoms and i think i have a couple hence why i wanted a check just for interest.

As I said, I wasn't trying to say you were definitely wrong. If you're concerned, you should absolutely have it checked. You only mentioned being calm as your reason and I wanted to make sure you were basing it on more than just being calm.

[songdog]

Good luck

[smiffy180]

As I said, I wasn't trying to say you were definitely wrong. If you're concerned, you should absolutely have it checked. You only mentioned being calm as your reason and I wanted to make sure you were basing it on more than just being calm.

yeh i guess i should have gone into a bit more detail but hey ho

Good luck

cheers pal

[Times Roman]

im taking the advice, theres a local comp next year that i should be able to do well in.
i am however going to get a testosterone check just to see wether im too calm or if my levels are lower than normal.
i will keep updates though of comps and stats

go ahead and check. but whether calm/agressive is not a good predictor of test levels.

if you want to really get a case of the asss, let SongDog hit on your woman for awhile. If that don't make your blood boil......?

[petkevich]

Ya I threw up similar weights when I was 160 lbs and a sophomore in high school. Not impressive at all