Truth and myth about Peptides

[XxAndreaxX]

Hi all, so I’m looking for info about peptides, and the only I can find, are very mixed reviews about them.
Some say GHRH + GHRP are the real deal, other say, its not even close to real synthetic HGH.
Other say, IGF-1 LR3 will give extreme lean gains, other say all water retention, and other say, only fat loss.
About the sides:
Some say the Nickolaus belly, of Colemann and the most Mr. Olympia, is due to high concentration IGF-1 receptor in the intestins, other say, its HGH gut, and only HGH makes organs to grow.
I also read, the gut is produced by insulin abuse, and very high carbs diet, that makes visceral fat come out.
In my personal experience, I have sometimes the gut, especially when I drink orange-juice, my belly (intestins) goes bloated by air, so its similar to intestine growth…
Last but not least, If you ask them directly (MR. Olympia), they will tell you they never touched steroids, and the big gut is due heavy abs training hahaha.
And the cancer growth, here too, some say its only HGH, other IGF-1, other both.
About availability:
IGF-1 LR3 is easy available, even our sponsor AR-R has it for a good price, but why do many say, its quiet impossible to get, and the real deal is about 400$ for 1mg???
And some say reconstruction is ok with BA, other say, it’s a waste of peptide, you nead AA at least.
There is no real serious Info about that…

[ottomaddox]

Still looking for the holy grail?

[XxAndreaxX]

no, the holy grail is test, tren, masteron and dbol with a good diet.
I'm looking for bridrge cycles without bothering my endo system

[Back In Black]

no, the holy grail is a good diet. I already screwed my endo system

Fixed that for you Andrea

[XxAndreaxX]

hahaha funny!!! I don't think my endosystem is screwed.
but it could be anytime soon, if I go on abusing steroids. that's why I want to change things

[xSirMartyrX]

Change things? If you are abusing steroids, you will also abuse HGH or peptides and end up ****ing up yourself. If you were not growing naturally, you are wasting your time using AAS.

[austinite]

Juced_Porkchop can help you, but only if you don't drive him crazy.

[XxAndreaxX]

Juiced Porkchop... hmmmm... ok thanks Austinite, don't worry, I won't drive him crazy, I never do that.
I only search for informations

[Juced_porkchop]

Juced_Porkchop can help you, but only if you don't drive him crazy.

Juiced Porkchop... hmmmm... ok thanks Austinite, don't worry, I won't drive him crazy, I never do that.
I only search for informations

HAHAHA
no worries.
It seems thought hat you do not fully understand peptides and need ot do alot more research on them and the subject overall. here is a thread i made a while back, not very complete and some maybe even out fo date, but it will help you to look over i think> http://forums.steroid.com/igf-1-lr3-...ust-read*.html

now to your first post, soem will be op/exp people have, some fact. as not all pepditde ( or much at all really) have been legally tested on humans.

first off the AA for igf1 is a myth and based off miss understanding, maybe "waterless" aa, but not the 0.5-0.7% AA BS you see blasted across the forums, i dont wish to get into it yet again though.. you wont find ANY documentaion onf aa used for peptides. there is a couple where they used WATERLESS AA to mix peptide during research, but that was not on humans and im sure you would eb screaming from pain if you did try it. a chemist told me ( yes a real one i asked about this because i fell for it also long ago) told me he knows sometimes they will use waterless AA when bac water or other solutions are out, but not that they would go out of their way to use it. show me ONE study with NORMAL AA EVER EVEN USED in a study,, and i will owe you a million bucks! haha
" Glacial acetic acid is a trivial name for water-free (anhydrous) acetic acid. Similar to the German name Eisessig (ice-vinegar), the name comes from the ice-like crystals that form slightly below room temperature at 16.6 °C (61.9 °F) (the presence of 0.1% water lowers its melting point by 0.2 °C).[11]

A common abbreviation for acetic acid is AcOH, where Ac stands for the acetyl group CH3−C(=O)−. Acetate (CH3COO–) is abbreviated AcO–. The Ac is not to be confused with the abbreviation for the chemical element actinium.[12]": > Acetic acid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

now for igf1 or hgh causing gut growth... hgh breaks down in liver into IGF1... so im sure you can peace those together that both may possibly have this effect over time.

Peptides can be a big help but if you think 14 weeks of peptide will give yout he same noticed muscle growth as 14 weeks of high test cycle... you are wrong, but ( IMO) long term you may result with much more muscle growth using both peptides and aas then just aas alone.

ARR does NOT sell fake products! the igf1lr3 is good, but i have recently used ( up to last week actually) the IGF1 Des and it is actually very nice, i like 15-20mcg pinned 2x a day for say 4-6 weeks.

ghrp and cjc/mod grf 1-29 are a VERY good stack. even better with some added hgh..

Hope some of this helps.. good luck on your learning! :-)

[Buster Brown]

Only one way to find out!

[XxAndreaxX]

Thanks Juced Porkchop, I will try it out, even it wont do a thing. I’ll start with some IGF-1 LR3 subQ after workout, wont do bilateral injections, because, I won’t stay high at dose, will start with 50mcg. And anyways, I hate localized growth. If it works, I’ll do 4 weeks on, 4 off, and 4 on again, and maybe I’ll throw in some ghrp6 + mod grf until next AAS cycle.
And my goal is not to have the amazing recomp of AAS, I know its not the case with peptides, but maintain a good muscle/fat ratio.
In some forums, they say GHRP + GHRH, will only produce a maximum of 5 UI of HGH… It’s a very small dose, I think its not even anabolic…

[Juced_porkchop]

Thanks Juced Porkchop, I will try it out, even it wont do a thing. I’ll start with some IGF-1 LR3 subQ after workout, wont do bilateral injections, because, I won’t stay high at dose, will start with 50mcg. And anyways, I hate localized growth. If it works, I’ll do 4 weeks on, 4 off, and 4 on again, and maybe I’ll throw in some ghrp6 + mod grf until next AAS cycle.
And my goal is not to have the amazing recomp of AAS, I know its not the case with peptides, but maintain a good muscle/fat ratio.
In some forums, they say GHRP + GHRH, will only produce a maximum of 5 UI of HGH… It’s a very small dose, I think its not even anabolic…

no prob. wait 1-2 hrs after workout to pin the igf1, let your body's own growths factors have a shot at doing there job ( why i dont rec igf1 pre-WO or right after.. and "starting at" 50mcg? i only rec 30-70 mcg period ... so not sure how high you plan to go but i would stay at 50mcg imo. and i also only do subq myself. and local growth with is bs-insignificant IMO.

that for 4-6 weeks should help.

[SirIsaacBrock]

no prob. wait 1-2 hrs after workout to pin the igf1, let your body's own growths factors have a shot at doing there job ( why i dont rec igf1 pre-WO or right after.. and "starting at" 50mcg? i only rec 30-70 mcg period ... so not sure how high you plan to go but i would stay at 50mcg imo. and i also only do subq myself. and local growth with is bs-insignificant IMO.

that for 4-6 weeks should help.

Hey Juced, just wondering why you recommend to wait 1-2 hours after workout?
Everything I have read says that after working out your IGF-1 receptor concentrations in skeletal mass and your muscles rise and the concentrations of igf binding proteins which make igf-1 inactive are lowered. The longer you wait, the lower your IGF-1 receptor concentrations get, and the higher the concentration of binding proteins get. Now I would assume part of the reason the receptor concentrations are lowered is due to picking up natural systemic igf, but why would you not want to take the exogenous IGF when your muscles/bones are at the peak of their 'willingness to accept' it? I understand that the body itself at this point in time is making more IGF than normal, but surely it is not saturating the receptors.

I've also come to the conclusion through my research that the local growth stuff is BS and you might as well save a pin or not risk infection by using the same pin 2 times. Its splitting hairs, but some will land directly in the muscle, but the majority is going to end up in the blood stream and be circulated anyway so theres no sense.

Not saying you're wrong, just wondering what led you to your conclusions

edit::

Ahh, been doing some more reading and I see that adding exogenous IGF-1 post workout interferes with the bodies MGF proliferation, and going further, injecting (peg)MGF is essentially pointless because it comes from within the cell and when added exogenously it acts as IGF-1.. very interesting. Its a shame that even on this board there are stickies and other threads that remain at the top with misinformation.. heh. I'm guessing what I just said is your reason for waiting 1-2 hours

hi, so ended the 3th week, and this thing is doing something... got 2 kg. but it seems that biggest part of gains are fat. I have to add that my steel-ring is falling off now, so I lost all that water I retained during the cycle, so now, I can say, that the muscle I have right now is 100% lean, even If I put on some fat. don't know if its for the extra fat I put on, but I'm definately thicker, maybe thicker than I was on cycle back in august. so 1 week left, but next week I'll bump up from 50mcg to 75mcg. maybe I'll go for some clen, to quit fat, and do some creatine after cycle, so I could switch between IGF-1 and creatine + clen. My goal is not to touch any androgenic steroids until next summer in june. I'm still curious why people say you get lean with IGF-1...
anyways, IGF-1 is nothing compared to AAS, not even that strong as Creatine. but if the gains are lean and you can retain them, its worth the money. the problem is, you can't really quantify the gains, because they are so little, and with the great fat gains, you really can't distinguish fat gains from muscle gains.

I don't think at 3 weeks that you can truly quantify what the IGF has done. You say the biggest gain is fat, but your ring is falling off? Have you actually tested your BF/LBM? I don't understand the not even as strong as creatine part.. lol. I think everyone knows that these compounds are miracle compounds, they're just that little bit extra with a little more oomph than say taking vitamins.

[XxAndreaxX]

ok, yes my plan was 4 weeks on 4 weeks off, but is it a 5 day on and 2 day off scedule?? because I only WO 5 days a week. i'd pin 1-2 hours after WO 50mcg.
thanks!!

[Juced_porkchop]

ok, yes my plan was 4 weeks on 4 weeks off, but is it a 5 day on and 2 day off scedule?? because I only WO 5 days a week. i'd pin 1-2 hours after WO 50mcg.
thanks!!

i do it 7 days on for 4-10weeks at a time ( normally about 6 weeks) but 5 on 2 off is fine. just preference

[Times Roman]

there is a lot of hype with peptides, only some of them deliver.

I took ghrp 6 and cjc1295 for a year, and minimal/moderate results. the monthly cost was around $150. comes to almost $2k for the year. i suspect that price has went up since 2 years ago, though.

[marcus300]

There is NO alternative to hgh, its all hype and any gains will be lost after you stop the peps. I don't know anyone who continued to use them who has used hgh for any length of time. Poor man's gh lol

[Juced_porkchop]

There is NO alternative to hgh, its all hype and any gains will be lost after you stop the peps. I don't know anyone who continued to use them who has used hgh for any length of time. Poor man's gh lol

I agree straight HGH is better, but i dont agree that peptides are crap. they do help and will last long term. but a cycle of peps is not going to be noticed like say a 500mg 12 week cycle of test. not even close.

[jimmyinkedup]

I agree straight HGH is better, but i dont agree that peptides are crap. they do help and will last long term. but a cycle of peps is not going to be noticed like say a 500mg 12 week cycle of test. not even close.

The cjc /ghrp stack def does soethimg and the tb500 is def a legit peptide as well man. I agree with you juced.l

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Are you really sure HGH is better ? Better than what ? No really HGH gives you a total shut down of you putitary gland and well that def means no more natural HGH so to me that is not good ?

But if you Combine Semorlin cjc 1295 - w/o DAC and 2 day time injections of GHRP 2 and 1 Post w/o of GHRP 6 so you don't stay awake wanting to eat everything in the kitchen . You combine 3 Peps with each injection and inject 3 x's a day am , pre w/o and post w/o with cjc 1295 w/o DAC which is the trigger for your pancrus to start the release od HGH ; semorlin and GHRP 6 and you hit a double release of you natural HGH From the kick start to your pancrius from the cjc and the Semorlin causes more HGH to be released and the Growth Hormone Releasing Peptide 6 at post w/o you get as close to synthitic HGH as possible and no shut down so you are getting as much maxium HGH release naturally as possible and no bad side that contribute to a HGH shut down .

Oh yea Somatropin is not that much $310.00 for 100 iu;s and then you are on the stuff for a long time and you keep what you gain but you loose your natural endo balance and IMHO that is not a good thing ?

That is not harsay that is how the peps work and that is how the # 1 rated HGH works somatropin . So which would you do with your healthy on the fore front ?

There were a bunch of guys doing Riptropin and the break down on it is you can un cap the vial and snort it and the actrive compound in Riptropin is MDMA ? Yep that is what the rush is you get from the cheaper Riptropin ! I did not make this up the info is out there for any and
all of you to do is search and inlighten if you only desire ? Easy to find but probably not what the guy at the gym will tell you ?

[XxAndreaxX]

ok, IGF-1 should be a bit stronger then cjc and ghrp.
That’s why I’m more atracted from IGF-1.
I have an IDEA! Does it make any sense to pin after workout bilateral in legs?? Because legs are the weakest muscle I have, and If there’s a site where I could tolerate localized growth, are legs.
Now, the question is, If I train shoulders for example, will I get better results by injecting subq, or bilateral in legs??
Thanks!

[XxAndreaxX]

another question: AR-R does not ship Acetic Acid... where can I find it??

[Juced_porkchop]

another question: AR-R does not ship Acetic Acid... where can I find it??

Didnt you read my post above?
AA is not needed and is a misunderstood myth. My post above mentions it... here is my post with that part highlighted:


HAHAHA
no worries.
It seems thought hat you do not fully understand peptides and need ot do alot more research on them and the subject overall. here is a thread i made a while back, not very complete and some maybe even out fo date, but it will help you to look over i think> http://forums.steroid.com/igf-1-lr3-...ust-read*.html

now to your first post, soem will be op/exp people have, some fact. as not all pepditde ( or much at all really) have been legally tested on humans.

first off the AA for igf1 is a myth and based off miss understanding, maybe "waterless" aa, but not the 0.5-0.7% AA BS you see blasted across the forums, i dont wish to get into it yet again though.. you wont find ANY documentaion onf aa used for peptides. there is a couple where they used WATERLESS AA to mix peptide during research, but that was not on humans and im sure you would eb screaming from pain if you did try it. a chemist told me ( yes a real one i asked about this because i fell for it also long ago) told me he knows sometimes they will use waterless AA when bac water or other solutions are out, but not that they would go out of their way to use it. show me ONE study with NORMAL AA EVER EVEN USED in a study,, and i will owe you a million bucks! haha
" Glacial acetic acid is a trivial name for water-free (anhydrous) acetic acid. Similar to the German name Eisessig (ice-vinegar), the name comes from the ice-like crystals that form slightly below room temperature at 16.6 °C (61.9 °F) (the presence of 0.1% water lowers its melting point by 0.2 °C).[11]

A common abbreviation for acetic acid is AcOH, where Ac stands for the acetyl group CH3−C(=O)−. Acetate (CH3COO–) is abbreviated AcO–. The Ac is not to be confused with the abbreviation for the chemical element actinium.[12]": > Acetic acid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

now for igf1 or hgh causing gut growth... hgh breaks down in liver into IGF1... so im sure you can peace those together that both may possibly have this effect over time.

Peptides can be a big help but if you think 14 weeks of peptide will give yout he same noticed muscle growth as 14 weeks of high test cycle... you are wrong, but ( IMO) long term you may result with much more muscle growth using both peptides and aas then just aas alone.

ARR does NOT sell fake products! the igf1lr3 is good, but i have recently used ( up to last week actually) the IGF1 Des and it is actually very nice, i like 15-20mcg pinned 2x a day for say 4-6 weeks.

ghrp and cjc/mod grf 1-29 are a VERY good stack. even better with some added hgh..

Hope some of this helps.. good luck on your learning! :-)

[stevelifts]

AA is not needed and is a misunderstood myth.

This. Its total broscience. Someone misinterpreted a study and has people using this crap that burns like heck for no reason. Use Bacteriostatic Water my friend.

[Juced_porkchop]

another question: AR-R does not ship Acetic Acid... where can I find it??

Didnt you see my post above about aa?

[jimmyinkedup]

You dont need to use acetic acid thats nonsense. Use Bac water.

[XxAndreaxX]

no, I'm reading in every forum, AA is a must, because in bac water, IGF-1 won't last more than 48h. Some say that preload with bac water the whole vial into syringes, and put them in the freezer, will do the trick. but I prefer to do it right. where to get AA???

[Juced_porkchop]

no, I'm reading in every forum, AA is a must, because in bac water, IGF-1 won't last more than 48h. Some say that preload with bac water the whole vial into syringes, and put them in the freezer, will do the trick. but I prefer to do it right. where to get AA???

show me ONE, just ONE study using AA... look i know its hard to believe when soomany forums say AA. ask them WERE they got that info from.. it will be either a post they saw or a peptide shop that jumpped on board with the whole aa thing because they dont know any better.
48hr? show me one document showing that OR that AA does anything. it my even HURT your peptide, not help it , for all we know...

when "brology or brolocig" spreads on forums it spreads fast and is parroted by people non stop when they do not even understand why they belive it other then they were told that....

do what you want.. but I use bac water now not aa and it dosnt burn like aa..
yes you should use igf1 fairly quickly.. it will degrade, but AA dont be a saver..

[Juced_porkchop]

put in freezer? after mixed? water contracts and expands when frozen,,, this can damage peptide... only freez powderd peps IF you are keeping them for months on end, otherwise keep even that in fridge, aqnd if in freezer make sure it doesnt have freeze/ thaws cycle on..... once mixed keep in fridge...
will it work if you freez it? sure.. but not optimal imo
i would rec putting mix with bac water then freezing in pins then using aa, but woul rec bac water and keep in fridge over the rest..

[XxAndreaxX]

ok, just ordered IGF-1 LR3 + 10ml NaCl by AR-R, and something got wrong. they charged the money in my bank account but the order was not completed. I hope they will help me out.
If I can't find AA I'll do it without, but if I can find it, why risk???

[Juced_porkchop]

ok, just ordered IGF-1 LR3 + 10ml NaCl by AR-R, and something got wrong. they charged the money in my bank account but the order was not completed. I hope they will help me out.
If I can't find AA I'll do it without, but if I can find it, why risk???

Contact arr, I never had an issue, but I am sure they will be quick to help. shoot an email to them.

also , what do you mean by " why risk" ? for all you know the aa will damage the peptide more then help it.... i already told you it is not the same AA as HAS been used in research ( which was NOT related to shelf life, just what they had, not optimal in most cases). Nac or Bac water has, is known to be use din peptides.. I dont blame you, many say aa. but NEVER ONCE have a seen a document, its always been some one told em.... after i talked to people int he field they actually make this stuff or are general chemists,, it became clear its BS across the net.. hey the pep still seemed to work... but ill do bac/Nac water from now on..

anyway I like arr's igf1lr3 and Des, i think I am leaning more to Des now i think, but need to pin 2X a day imo.

[XxAndreaxX]

yeah just contacted them, hope they'll help me out. will use NaCl, read it has at least 2 weeks life.
So freezing syringes, bad idea huh? Maybe what they want to say is that with BAC water, IGF-1 peptides will start to degrade in a certain manner, maybe they won't die, but they will be far less effective after some time.
But if AR-R doesn't sell IGF-1 with AA, it means that there should be no problem with NaCl, they'd be stupid to sell something that expensive, and have to hear from customers its bad because its fake, although its real, but it died straight after the 2nd day because of wrong mixing. they should be the first to advice to use AA.
Anyways, hope I'll get my IGF-1 ASAP, so I'll tell you if it died after 48h, or 2 weeks or whatever...
This summer I reconstruited Melanotan II with bac water, and It was same efective after 1 month... but maybe melanotan is a different peptide, nothing to do with IGF-1.

[Juced_porkchop]

yeah just contacted them, hope they'll help me out. will use NaCl, read it has at least 2 weeks life.
So freezing syringes, bad idea huh? Maybe what they want to say is that with BAC water, IGF-1 peptides will start to degrade in a certain manner, maybe they won't die, but they will be far less effective after some time.
But if AR-R doesn't sell IGF-1 with AA, it means that there should be no problem with NaCl, they'd be stupid to sell something that expensive, and have to hear from customers its bad because its fake, although its real, but it died straight after the 2nd day because of wrong mixing. they should be the first to advice to use AA.
Anyways, hope I'll get my IGF-1 ASAP, so I'll tell you if it died after 48h, or 2 weeks or whatever...
This summer I reconstruited Melanotan II with bac water, and It was same efective after 1 month... but maybe melanotan is a different peptide, nothing to do with IGF-1.

yeah i have used igf1 for 2 or 3 weeks after mixing and didnt notice much diff, yes it will start to degrade after a few days but thats the game, dosn't mean its worthless. and aa wont preserve it any better. imo
i agree with MT2, it is more stable then igf1 though, but i have had MT2 mixed for months and still have it work ( i try not to push more then 3 months though)

[Juced_porkchop]

if you are going to have it for a long time mixed you can try the pre-filled freez thing, i know some that do it and they say it still works, so you could try both ways and see how you feel about it.. but in normal case i rec mix and use, and try to use it within a few weeks.

[likelifting]

My Ipam and mod grf 1-29 are both 2mg so I only get 1cc per vial. So thats 10 doses, 3 days. No need to freeze for me.

Some of the peps are less stable than other, iirc, so I would avoid anything other than reconstituting, loading and pinning a refrigerated pep.

[XxAndreaxX]

Thanks Porkchop!
I’ll do a 4 weeks run, so after reconstruction, it will stay 4 weeks in the fridge.
I’ll do 50mcg after workout, I workout 5 days a week so it will be 5 days on 2 days off, 250mcg a week.
I’m thinking about freezing precharged pins. Hope that freezed hormone won’t die.
I’m thinking too, to pin IM instead of pinning subq.
My question about that is: what is more efficient for muscle growth, subQ or IM (not localized growth intended, but IM like in the legs or glutes)??
Whats about the IGF Gut? IM will help not getting the gut? I think its all BS, I mean, for logic, IGF-1 LR3 has an halflife of 20h so either you pin IM or subq, you’ll have IGF-1 in your bloodstream for a long time.
So intestine receptor won’t get less amount IM instead of subQ, different than DES, that has some 10-20min halflife, so maybe there’s no time to get in bloodstream and go straight to intestine, and maybe, localized growth is more possible. That’s my thinking, am I wrong??

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Thanks Porkchop!
I’ll do a 4 weeks run, so after reconstruction, it will stay 4 weeks in the fridge.
I’ll do 50mcg after workout, I workout 5 days a week so it will be 5 days on 2 days off, 250mcg a week.
I’m thinking about freezing precharged pins. Hope that freezed hormone won’t die.
I’m thinking too, to pin IM instead of pinning subq.
My question about that is: what is more efficient for muscle growth, subQ or IM (not localized growth intended, but IM like in the legs or glutes)??
Whats about the IGF Gut? IM will help not getting the gut? I think its all BS, I mean, for logic, IGF-1 LR3 has an halflife of 20h so either you pin IM or subq, you’ll have IGF-1 in your bloodstream for a long time.
So intestine receptor won’t get less amount IM instead of subQ, different than DES, that has some 10-20min halflife, so maybe there’s no time to get in bloodstream and go straight to intestine, and maybe, localized growth is more possible. That’s my thinking, am I wrong??

To copy a respected member Fit2bold " you can't make this shit up " I bet this numb nuts is really doing what he is posting and thining he is feeling what he states ?

[Lunk1]

Would someone please tell this shit for brains Spanish Fly that 4 weeks on peps is jokular I refuse to give this idgit one oz of good info I ike reading his DA post

To copy a respected member Fit2bold " you can't make this shit up " I bet this numb nuts is really doing what he is posting and thining he is feeling what he states ?

Is it possible for you to EVER say anything constructive? More importantly, useful?? If your only purpose in this thread is to violate board policy and flame another member then please find your way back to the cheese line.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Is it possible for you to EVER say anything constructive? More importantly, useful?? If your only purpose in this thread is to violate board policy and flame another member then please find your way back to the cheese line.

Oh are you warm for my forum there hun ? Did you miss me ? I never addressed you and who maade you thread God ? FO !

Your still jealous because I look better than you and I am 20 + years older I can see why you would feel bad but get over it I work harder than you laddy

[Lunk1]

Oh are you warm for my forum there hun ? Did you miss me ? I never addressed you and who maade you thread God ? FO !

Your still jealous because I look better than you and I am 20 + years older I can see why you would feel bad but get over it I work harder than you laddy

Why are you so angry? I paid my taxes so I'm sure you got your check. Since your capable of busting your aas so hard in the gym, perhaps you could spend less time trash talking and more time filling out job apps.