HGH, Insulin, Testoviron

[fizzik]

Hello,
I am going to start a 5-6 Month-Cycle with HGH with 5 IU a Day (One or Two Days Off).
Insulin (Lantus and Novo Rapid) I'm already using (Diabetes Typ-1)
My Question is regarding the Testo how much should be taken a week according to the HGH dosage, I was thinking 250mg-500mg?

[Bonaparte]

Test dose isn't dictated by hgh dose at all. And you probably shouldn't run test the whole 6 months, as the results won't be much better than with a 3 month cycle, but recovery will be a lot tougher.
What is your previous experience with these compounds?

[fizzik]

I've done a 3 Month test enth cycle so far about 1,5 years back, everything worked out well as-well as the post-cycle and the test levels were back to normal after a couple of months (every 6 months I do a blood screening due to diabetes). I gained a approx of 4 kg lean muscle with a dosage of 250mg twice a week.

[fizzik]

I have already got all my stuff ready. But have also changed my plan a bit.
Week 1-4(maybe 6 weeks depending on how effective the dosage is)
- 2 IU HGH Nordi (Pharma-Grade) 5 on 2 off
- 250mg/Week Test Enth Norma
- Insulin Lantus and NovoRapid dosage according to my Blood Sugar levels
Week 4(6)-8
- 3-4 IU HGH 5 on 2 off
- 250mg/week test
- Slin
Week 8-10
- 3-4 IU HGH 5 on 2 off
- 500mg Test
- Slin

Week 10-20(24)
- HGH 2 IU
- Post-Cycle Test with HCG and Taxo
- Slin

Nutrition: 250 Protein a Day, Low Fat, Low Carb Diet Especially in the last 2-3 Months.

Can this Plan be followed through, for a lean gain of muscle? What could the results likely be for such a cycle?

[kaptainkeezy04]

I have already got all my stuff ready. But have also changed my plan a bit.
Week 1-4(maybe 6 weeks depending on how effective the dosage is)
- 2 IU HGH Nordi (Pharma-Grade) 5 on 2 off
- 250mg/Week Test Enth Norma
- Insulin Lantus and NovoRapid dosage according to my Blood Sugar levels
Week 4(6)-8
- 3-4 IU HGH 5 on 2 off
- 250mg/week test
- Slin
Week 8-10
- 3-4 IU HGH 5 on 2 off
- 500mg Test
- Slin

Week 10-20(24)
- HGH 2 IU
- Post-Cycle Test with HCG and Taxo
- Slin

Nutrition: 250 Protein a Day, Low Fat, Low Carb Diet Especially in the last 2-3 Months.

Can this Plan be followed through, for a lean gain of muscle? What could the results likely be for such a cycle?

This looks awful. Why would you use test as your only aas at 250mg/week? test at 250/week is just fine when running tren, but by itself? weak! Run 500mg or not at all.

Secondly, you use HCG DURING the cycle. Not after. Why is there no clomid/clomiphene in your PCT?

This lack of knowledge shows me you are nowhere near ready for a cycle, but I know you are going to do it anyways, so I might as well help.

By the way, if this "nordi" you speak of is those unlabeled so-called "nordipens" that have been floating around, then you might as well sell them to some other sucker. They are as fake as a rolex from a street vendor in mexico.

[fizzik]

True HCG i will be taking before the last Test usage, Clomid I still have from the last cycle but I didnt really use it. With the Post-Cycle I dont really have any problems of figuring out how it works as it worked out perfectly last time.
My main Problem is as you say:
"Why would you use test as your only aas at 250mg/week? test at 250/week is just fine when running tren , but by itself? weak! Run 500mg or not at all."
I'm note sure about the dosage of the Test and which Test is the best to use, as I have never used it before in combination with HGH. What I have mainly read is that 250mg-500mg/Week is enough on low dosage of HGH (3-4 IU). What are your suggestions on the Test dosage and what is the best Test to be using and how long should the Test-Cycle be with HGH?

[fizzik]

By the way, if this "nordi" you speak of is those unlabeled so-called "nordipens" that have been floating around, then you might as well sell them to some other sucker. They are as fake as a rolex from a street vendor in mexico.

I'm getting my HGH Nord from Europe and not the US-Market. From a legit seller with top Reviews. So this shouldnt be a problem.

[kaptainkeezy04]

I'm getting my HGH Nord from Europe and not the US-Market. From a legit seller with top Reviews. So this shouldnt be a problem.

I have a feeling I know the source you are talking about. The so-called "nordipens" that don't have any labels, or original packaging, and the seller says that they remove all of that so that the package can make it through customs. DO NOT BELIEVE THEM. Stuff with labels make it through customs all the time! Those pens are filled with HCG and peptides.

Secondly, it doesn't matter what test you use. Test it test. As long as you are doing 500mg a week, then you are fine. use Test enan or test cyp if you don't want to do injections that often. Your PCT was perfect last time? If it was perfect, why do you have HCG in your PCT in your original post? Why is there no clomid in your PCT?

[fizzik]

As for the PCT: In the Last two weeks of the cycle 500 I.E HCG,
2-3 Days after the last test usage: 250mg clomid, 50mg taxo
Following 3 weeks: Taxo 40mg/Day
But the PCT isnt really my concern.
Coming to the Test I will be doing 500mg after all on 10-12 week cycle.
But I also read in most books and forums that HGH should only be used with Test to get proper results. And slin should be stacked too as to lower the higher blood sugars, which I believe to be a cause for the fat loss but that is a diffrent topic.
So isnt then logic to take Test the whole HGH cycle or would this just desensify the testicals in the long run after the cycle?
As to that a HGH Cycle should go 3-6 Months at the least. This is why I thought just to use a lower dosage of Test and use test for 4 Months of 5 Month cycle.

[fizzik]

I have a feeling I know the source you are talking about. The so-called "nordipens" that don't have any labels, or original packaging, and the seller says that they remove all of that so that the package can make it through customs. DO NOT BELIEVE THEM. Stuff with labels make it through customs all the time! Those pens are filled with HCG and peptides.

HCG isn't used anymore to fake HGH products. This was mostly done in the 90's as HGH was more expensive. I think it is also quite hard to fake a nordilet pen (not saying it isnt't possible) As this pens cannot be recycled and no one would take out the fluid and insert hcg into the pens as hcg is relative easy to detect. Furthermore other Peptides would also have diffrent side-effects and in high dosages dangerous to use and the source would be bombed with bad reviews. Also if over 50 People have used this source for HGH and everyone says it is Legit and working well for them what should be bad about this product with no negative reviews?

[kaptainkeezy04]

HCG isn't used anymore to fake HGH products. This was mostly done in the 90's as HGH was more expensive. I think it is also quite hard to fake a nordilet pen (not saying it isnt't possible) As this pens cannot be recycled and no one would take out the fluid and insert hcg into the pens as hcg is relative easy to detect. Furthermore other Peptides would also have diffrent side-effects and in high dosages dangerous to use and the source would be bombed with bad reviews. Also if over 50 People have used this source for HGH and everyone says it is Legit and working well for them what should be bad about this product with no negative reviews?

These are people who have never used real HGH before. Anyways, do what you want. I've tried UGL hgh and I've tried the real thing. It's a night and day difference. Secondly, you still haven't laid out your cycle and in clear manner. Please type it out line by line for each product. Don't just type it out in incomplete sentences. You're new here, so I'll tell you now, people won't want to help you if you type it out like that. As far as the whole "you have to take test to get the full hgh benefits" thing, that is completely false. for the most part, HGH just leans you out, but it also builds brand new muscle. That's right. Muscle you can NEVER lose. Test just makes your muscles temporarily bigger. Now, when you combine these two, you will get a lot bigger and lose body fat, and so the muscle gain with the body fat loss makes you look way more lean than before, and so people think there is some type of synergistic effect, and there is no science to say that there is any synergy or symbiosis or whatever.

[kaptainkeezy04]

As for the PCT: In the Last two weeks of the cycle 500 I.E HCG,
2-3 Days after the last test usage: 250mg clomid, 50mg taxo
Following 3 weeks: Taxo 40mg/Day
But the PCT isnt really my concern.
Coming to the Test I will be doing 500mg after all on 10-12 week cycle.
But I also read in most books and forums that HGH should only be used with Test to get proper results. And slin should be stacked too as to lower the higher blood sugars, which I believe to be a cause for the fat loss but that is a diffrent topic.
So isnt then logic to take Test the whole HGH cycle or would this just desensify the testicals in the long run after the cycle?
As to that a HGH Cycle should go 3-6 Months at the least. This is why I thought just to use a lower dosage of Test and use test for 4 Months of 5 Month cycle.

I used HGH so many times without test, and it was awesome! Granted I was using the real thing, so these people who say "I never notice any difference without test," are probably buying chinese hgh and therefor not HGH, and thus only seeing the benefits of testosterone. My last cycle, I did 4 IU a day of hgh 5 days a week, and then 6 IU a day during my PCT. Why did I up the dosage? Because I didn't want my body to crash too hard from the lack of test, and the HGH helped with that big time.

[kaptainkeezy04]

As for the PCT: In the Last two weeks of the cycle 500 I.E HCG,
2-3 Days after the last test usage: 250mg clomid, 50mg taxo
Following 3 weeks: Taxo 40mg/Day
But the PCT isnt really my concern.
Coming to the Test I will be doing 500mg after all on 10-12 week cycle.
But I also read in most books and forums that HGH should only be used with Test to get proper results. And slin should be stacked too as to lower the higher blood sugars, which I believe to be a cause for the fat loss but that is a diffrent topic.
So isnt then logic to take Test the whole HGH cycle or would this just desensify the testicals in the long run after the cycle?
As to that a HGH Cycle should go 3-6 Months at the least. This is why I thought just to use a lower dosage of Test and use test for 4 Months of 5 Month cycle.

I just noticed another huge mistake. If you're using test enanhate or cypionate, you shouldn't start PCT until 14 days from last injection. How have you already cycled and you don't know this?

[fizzik]

Then I'll list out my Cycle again:

HGH Cycle Stacked with Test and Slin
Week: 1-12
- HGH 3 IU / 5on 2off(which is a variable depending on side-effects)
- Test Enth 2x250mg/Week
- Insulin according to the blood sugar level
- HCG 250/mg through the cycle / 2xWeek

PCT for Test Enth:

2-3 Days after Week 14:
- Clomid 250mg
- Taxo 50mg

Week 14-17:
- Taxo 40mg/Day
(edit) - Clomid 100mg for 7 Days(Week 14), Followed by 50mg the next 14 Days (Week 15-17)
- (as you mentioned in your post I may increase the HGH dosage by 1 IU " I didn't want my body to crash too hard from the lack of test")

HGH and Insulin
Week: 12-16
- HGH 4 IU
- Slin according to Blood Sugar
The Cycle will probaly go on to Week 20 in the same measure dpending an results and well-being.
Supplements like Orthomol Sport will be taken throughout the cycle.

[kaptainkeezy04]

you need to have a clear and concise plan regarding your insulin use. such as "only after workouts" or "every morning on nonlifting days, and after workouts on lifting days."

you can't just take one dose of clomid. Where are you getting this information?

Once again, if you're taking a long ester testosterone like enanthate or cypionate, PCT won't do any good until 14 days after last injection.

I don't know what you mean when you say "HCG 500 IE/day." What is an "IE"? I recommend just taking HCG 250 IU twice a week throughout the cycle, that way your testicles don't have to play catch up.

[kaptainkeezy04]

As far as those "nordipens" you are buying, I would tell them to send them with the original packaging, and if it gets seized by customs then it will be your loss. They will never agree to this, because they aren't selling the real thing. They never had the original packaging to begin with. I fear you have made up your mind about these "nordipens," so I'll just stick with your cycle for now, but I must urge you to save your money until you can afford the real thing, and find a source that will send you the stuff in the original packaging. I know of two resources on that site you are looking at that have this available for you. I can't tell you, because you're knew, but just do some research on a domestic source with serostim.

[fizzik]

Ok thanks for the good info.
The money problem isnt a problem for me really and when doing such a cycle for me there is no point in saving money.
What is then a commen price to pay for a Nord HGH Pen or Similar for 30 IU?

[fizzik]

you need to have a clear and concise plan regarding your insulin use. such as "only after workouts" or "every morning on nonlifting days, and after workouts on lifting days."

I don't know what you mean when you say "HCG 500 IE/day." What is an "IE"? I recommend just taking HCG 250 IU twice a week throughout the cycle, that way your testicles don't have to play catch up.

I have to take Insulin as I am Type 1 Diabetic and is just an adavantage throughout the cycle.
And yes I meant "IU" for HCG

[kaptainkeezy04]

sorry, I forgot you said you were already diabetic. My mistake. Be careful with HGH, then. What is your username on that other site?

[fizzik]

The same name as here "fizzik"

[fizzik]

I've also thought about stacking Test Ent at the end of the HGH cycle so that I use my current Test Levels and give the body some time to get used to HGH. Then in the last 16 Weeks I would do the 12 Week Test Cycle and in the last 4 weeks I do the PCT with HGH. Does the make more sense then doing the test cycle to the bgein of the hgh cycle?

[kaptainkeezy04]

Go to sleep. I'll be in touch tomorrow. In the meantime, hurry up and get your post count up, so we can message.

[kaptainkeezy04]

I've also thought about stacking Test Ent at the end of the HGH cycle so that I use my current Test Levels and give the body some time to get used to HGH. Then in the last 16 Weeks I would do the 12 Week Test Cycle and in the last 4 weeks I do the PCT with HGH. Does the make more sense then doing the test cycle to the bgein of the hgh cycle?

you are way overcomplicating things.

week 1-10
250 mg of test cyp or enan every 3.5 days
20-40mg of tamox every day
250 IU of hcg every 3.5 days

week 11-12
20-40mg of tamox every day
250 IU of hcg every 3.5 days

week 13-14
100mg of clomiphene per day
40mg of tamox per day

week 15-16
50mg of clomiphene per day
20-40mg of tamox per day

Use hgh and insulin as you wish, as long as you are educated.

[fizzik]

Whats the point of taking Tamox/Nolva during the cycle this just stops the IGF-1 Production...?


Isn't it better to take Tamox only as a PCT and during the cycle Arimidex?

[kaptainkeezy04]

Whats the point of taking Tamox/Nolva during the cycle this just stops the IGF-1 Production...?


Isn't it better to take Tamox only as a PCT and during the cycle Arimidex?

I never take nolva anymore because of the igf-1 thing. i only take aromasin or arimidex now.

[fizzik]

I never take nolva anymore because of the igf-1 thing. i only take aromasin or arimidex now.

I know that arimidex is stronger but is there any other diffrences such as quality? And what is the dosage of both during a cycle?

[kaptainkeezy04]

I'm very gyno prone, so I take 1mg of arimidex every day during cycle and pct.