Planning a beginner TRENendous Cycle.

[Muse]

I'm currently in the planning stage for my fourth cycle. This will be my first time with Tren, I've done some extensive research on the compound and read Atomini's Trenbolone Guide

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Previous Cycles:
1: Andropen 275 (test blend) for 10 weeks
2: Test E @500mg/wk with a D-bol kick start (HCG and Adex)
3: Test E @600mg/wk, EQ @600mg/wk (HCG and Adex)
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My Proposed Cycle
This will be a 'Recomp' cycle obviously controlled by my diet and training. I know it's generally better to run Test Prop, but I was hoping to run Test-E (please feel free to challenge this)

Week 1-12: Test-E @ 150mg/wk
Week 3-10: Tren-A @ 200mg/wk (50mg/EOD)
Caber @ 0.5mg/wk (0.25mg/3.5 days) - first time using, as a prolactin preventative.
Week 2-12: HCG @ 500iu/wk (250iu/3.5 days)

PCT
Week 15-18: Nolva @40/20/20/20, Clomid @100/50/50/50

Cycle Support:
Vitamin-B6 600mg/day
Liver support


Are my dosages ok for a first tren cycle?
*Does everyone run caber as a preventative regardless?
*Do I need to run adex as I usually do? I thought with low test it'd be pointless due to almost TRT/HRT dose hardly aromatizing?
*Can tren be pinned SubQ or is it a bad idea and IM as usual? It's my first time pinning more than x2 weekly.


Thanks for reading, all advise/criticim is appreciated

[hammerheart]

Please don't take that dose of B6. It's plainly toxic. Seek IM B12 instead, or oral methylcobalamin.

I don't see the point of introducing a short ester (Tren A) at week 3.

Why not just 200mg Tren A for the whole cycle? You won't be disappointed. Drop the E.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Please don't take that dose of B6. It's plainly toxic. Seek IM B12 instead, or oral methylcobalamin.

I don't see the point of introducing a short ester (Tren A) at week 3.

Why not just 200mg Tren A for the whole cycle? You won't be disappointed. Drop the E.

you are misreading his post....
he is using test E and tren A

[PistolPete33]

I would def. stay at the 200mg Tren A for your first cycle with Tren. My first go with it was terrible. I started with 200mg per week and all was good so I upped it to 300mg per week and then to 400mg. By the time I hit 400mg/week I was losing my mind. I got really insecure and was super angry. It's no longer an issue running 400+mg/week for me but the first time around was ROUGH.

Also, be prepared to sweat like a MOFO at night on Tren.

[PT1982]

This cycle will work, but im not going against the advice given. I'd just go higher personally. 200mgs will be fine though. Don't pin subQ

[songdog]

I would def. stay at the 200mg Tren A for your first cycle with Tren. My first go with it was terrible. I started with 200mg per week and all was good so I upped it to 300mg per week and then to 400mg. By the time I hit 400mg/week I was losing my mind. I got really insecure and was super angry. It's no longer an issue running 400+mg/week for me but the first time around was ROUGH.

Also, be prepared to sweat like a MOFO at night on Tren.

Every cycle on tren can be a new experience! Just don't have people who piss you off hanging around.

[MuscleScience]

This cycle will work, but im not going against the advice given. I'd just go higher personally. 200mgs will be fine though. Don't pin subQ

I agree, I think 300mg is a good dose.

[Obs]

Every cycle on tren can be a new experience! Just don't have people who piss you off hanging around.

Convert the anger to drive. All I can do some days is chant to myself that I cant go to prison. Someone makes me angry and I just move faster and harder.
Its damn hard to keep your hands to yourself at times.

[charger69]

The first time taking it, i didn't know what was going on witht the shakes at night and I was unaware of the increased aggression and anger. I have now learned how to handle it. Just this last week I had two strangers on different occasions get aggresive with me and I did not respond. The words that I wanted to use and what I wanted to do were all controlled. NOTE: I am presently on tren
If I could not control it, then I feel that I shouldnt be using it. The first time you really dod not realize it unless someone tells you or you are aware of the sides. I also found that the more injections, the less the sides. I actually inject ED.

[Muse]

Wow I'd rather have a less potent cycle and reduce the sides with a lower dose... What's the lowest you've ran tren?

I'm thinking maybe reduce the tren ace to around 100mg/wk. surely this would yield results?

Alternatively I'll maybe change compound but don't know what to replace with... Thanks!

[Marcus G]

Wow I'd rather have a less potent cycle and reduce the sides with a lower dose... What's the lowest you've ran tren?

I'm thinking maybe reduce the tren ace to around 100mg/wk. surely this would yield results?

Alternatively I'll maybe change compound but don't know what to replace with... Thanks!

If you start tren a from week 1 I'd stop at week 8. The issue with tren is that it's most commonly underdosed and 100mg per week just isn't worth it in my opinion. At that point you could change to Masteron or Winstrol (I'd prefer Masteron).

[Muse]

If you start tren a from week 1 I'd stop at week 8. The issue with tren is that it's most commonly underdosed and 100mg per week just isn't worth it in my opinion. At that point you could change to Masteron or Winstrol (I'd prefer Masteron).

Thanks, I've never ran mast. Surely using under dosed tren at 100mg/wk I'd notice some gains? My aim is to get leaner and add a little bit of muscle using cyclical dieting with carb cycling similar to the approach outlined by llyle McDonald's UD2.0 in his book.

Thanks

[MuscleScience]

If you start tren a from week 1 I'd stop at week 8. The issue with tren is that it's most commonly underdosed and 100mg per week just isn't worth it in my opinion. At that point you could change to Masteron or Winstrol (I'd prefer Masteron).

I agree, I think that risk vs benefit to running Tren intersects at 300-350mg per week. Where the risk of using Tren vs potential side effects is best. Running 100mg/week does not justify the risk/reward of running this compound. In that I think it's best to forgo using it at that dosage as the benefits are minimal and you could run a safer compound and get the same amount of benefit without the risks.

[Chicagotarsier]

1. You have left off the most important item for any cycle. AI Even though Tren does not aromatize and any raise in estrogen will magnify your sides from Tren.

2. Completely disagree 100 mg of tren has a reduced risk reward. Just running 50 mg with TrT dose test is incredible. Almost as strong as a 500 test cycle. I think everyone should start low and move up. 300-400 is a high Intermediate dose to High dose. Starting there is why so many get hit with sides. 100 a week will give you more nutrient partitioning and nitrogen balance than 500 test.

3. Read around and you will be astounded at how many people never go beyond 100-150 Tren a week.

[Muse]

1. You have left off the most important item for any cycle. AI Even though Tren does not aromatize and any raise in estrogen will magnify your sides from Tren.

2. Completely disagree 100 mg of tren has a reduced risk reward. Just running 50 mg with TrT dose test is incredible. Almost as strong as a 500 test cycle. I think everyone should start low and move up. 300-400 is a high Intermediate dose to High dose. Starting there is why so many get hit with sides. 100 a week will give you more nutrient partitioning and nitrogen balance than 500 test.

3. Read around and you will be astounded at how many people never go beyond 100-150 Tren a week.

Thanks dude. Could you please link me to someone who has achieved a successful cycle at these low doses?
I did consider an AI, but I generally run at 0.25mg/EOD Adex when using Test ~500mg/wk. Im unsure how much to dose with this small TRT dose of Test.

[hammerheart]

1. You have left off the most important item for any cycle. AI Even though Tren does not aromatize and any raise in estrogen will magnify your sides from Tren.

2. Completely disagree 100 mg of tren has a reduced risk reward. Just running 50 mg with TrT dose test is incredible. Almost as strong as a 500 test cycle. I think everyone should start low and move up. 300-400 is a high Intermediate dose to High dose. Starting there is why so many get hit with sides. 100 a week will give you more nutrient partitioning and nitrogen balance than 500 test.

3. Read around and you will be astounded at how many people never go beyond 100-150 Tren a week.

I'm using 200mg weekly tren-e and I'm not feeling much different, perhaps minor heat, but nothing like the 100mg mislabeled acetate (was supposed to be -e) I had run last autumn. I recall that kicking in FAST and leave as quickly. Genuine Tren matching label content seems rather elusive.

About AI, I've found it to negate much of the benefits from Tren, especially on mood. I'm thus dialing my TRT dose as low as possible not to need it. Also AI will impact lipids further.

[Ealajl]

I'd like to try this cycle some day.