Deca or Mast for a mini-cutting and a bulk cycle

[Camaron]

This is going to be my third cycle. My last injection was over 52 weeks ago after a 16 weeks cycle consisting of test, dbol and EQ. Right now I don't look cute. I wasn't able to keep up all my gains and want to gain them back. My plan is to do a mini-cut of 3-4 weeks to then increase my calories once the test and deca or starts kicking. I'm just not sure if I should choose deca over mast. I n3ver troed deca before but I've heard is only good for bulking. I truly don't want to look super lean. I just want to go back to my 200lbs.

This would be it:

1-4 cutting
4-12 bulking
12-16 cutting

300 test C twice a week from week 1 to week 16
200 deca OR masteron from week 1 to week 16
Dbol from week 1 to week 6
***Hgc starting on week 2

Pct after

Thanks

[Camaron]

Stats right now:


5'11 tall
185 lbs
Bf 18%

[Camaron]

I reached 207 lbs in my last cycle but my bf was waaay higher.

[almostgone]

Fist thing is to pick your goal. Cutting or bulking, not both. At 185 lbs, and wanting hit 200#, it sounds like you want to bulk.

[Cylon357]

Fist thing is to pick your goal. Cutting or bulking, not both. At 185 lbs, and wanting hit 200#, it sounds like you want to bulk.

That right there ^^^

Agree with AG that you should pick one, and sounds like bulk is what you are really looking for.

OP, diet will dictate a lot, but deca is usually considered a better bulking drug than mast. BTW, deca is not only good for bulking, though it does well there.

All that said, this is your third cycle. Keep it simple. Test at 600mg per week will serve you well, maybe add that dbol kick-start you did before. No, the immediate gains / bloat you get from dbol doesn't stay, BUT the muscle built by the extra reps you get from the dbol does. Keep diet on point and enjoy!

[Scorpion0922]

That right there ^^^

Agree with AG that you should pick one, and sounds like bulk is what you are really looking for.

OP, diet will dictate a lot, but deca is usually considered a better bulking drug than mast. BTW, deca is not only good for bulking, though it does well there.

All that said, this is your third cycle. Keep it simple. Test at 600mg per week will serve you well, maybe add that dbol kick-start you did before. No, the immediate gains / bloat you get from dbol doesn't stay, BUT the muscle built by the extra reps you get from the dbol does. Keep diet on point and enjoy!

Bump this. Also we could help more if you can eloborate on "couldn't keep my gains" ....maybe we can help with diet/training/PCT

[Camaron]

Fist thing is to pick your goal. Cutting or bulking, not both. At 185 lbs, and wanting hit 200#, it sounds like you want to bulk.

Bulking would be great. But at 18%-20% bf I am really afraid. Summer is here already and I don't want to look super bloated. I'm aware there isn't much to do at this point anyways (too late). But in those 4 weeks of mini-cutting I wanted to lower my bf to under 15% at least.

[Camaron]

That right there ^^^

Agree with AG that you should pick one, and sounds like bulk is what you are really looking for.

OP, diet will dictate a lot, but deca is usually considered a better bulking drug than mast. BTW, deca is not only good for bulking, though it does well there.

All that said, this is your third cycle. Keep it simple. Test at 600mg per week will serve you well, maybe add that dbol kick-start you did before. No, the immediate gains / bloat you get from dbol doesn't stay, BUT the muscle built by the extra reps you get from the dbol does. Keep diet on point and enjoy!

I imagine that with a decent diet my bf % will stay under around 18%? I think that’s fine.
Do you recommend me cheating twice a week during a bulk?

[almostgone]

Bulking would be great. But at 18%-20% bf I am really afraid. Summer is here already and I don't want to look super bloated. I'm aware there isn't much to do at this point anyways (too late). But in those 4 weeks of mini-cutting I wanted to lower my bf to under 15% at least.

That's a lot to cut in a month without eating into muscle gains. However, you know your body best.

You need to pick 1.

Either shoot for 200 lbs. and more size or slowly work your bf % down. Otherwise, you'll likely be spinning your wheels but getting nowhere.

[Camaron]

Bump this. Also we could help more if you can eloborate on "couldn't keep my gains" ....maybe we can help with diet/training/PCT

I got Covid twice and ended up losing nearly all my gains. When I started my second cycle my body looked like complete disaster (VERY high bf and low muscle mass). I ended up gaining back the pounds I lost from my 1st cycle but didn't exactly gain extra mass.... I feel like it was just a cycle to re- gain what I had lost. Like I said, I'm not interested in looking super lean. But I truly want to look jacked for the summer. Juicy jacked but not fat fat haha

[Camaron]

That's a lot to cut in a month without eating into muscle gains. However, you know your body best.

You need to pick 1.

Either shoot for 200 lbs. and more size or slowly work your bf % down. Otherwise, you'll likely be spinning your wheels but getting nowhere.

I probably exaggerated a bit. You are right.
I'm an easy gainer but also tend to loose weight very rapidly. My face gets thinner in matters of a few days, lol. My only problem is that I have lots of loose skin around my stomach/sides since I used to be overweight. This is why I'm not interested in getting abs right now. I will need a tummy tuck or a HD lipo before.

[Camaron]

Maybe bulking up for 10 weeks and cutting for another 8 sounds like a good idea too or nah? I mean, a cycle of 18 weeks is long but being under hcg will help I guess? I don't want to sound dumb but I'm here to learn afterall.

Thanks for your responses. I'm about to take my final decision about this. Just wanted to ask again.

[almostgone]

Maybe bulking up for 10 weeks and cutting for another 8 sounds like a good idea too or nah? I mean, a cycle of 18 weeks is long but being under hcg will help I guess? I don't want to sound dumb but I'm here to learn afterall.

Thanks for your responses. I'm about to take my final decision about this. Just wanted to ask again.

Maybe consider it a "recomposition" cycle. Goal= hold onto your current muscle and slowly decrease calories until you can visibly see things change. If you find yourself losing too fast throw some calories back in.
This will really require you to keep a detailed daily food log and record your weight say maybe twice/ week. If things aren't moving drop off another 500 calories per day. If things start sliding too fast, add back some calories....say 300-500 per day.

Personally, I like the idea of the test/d'bol plan, but when you drop the d'bol and you lose water/estrogen induced bloat, don't freak and throw too many calories back into your diet.

Don't forget your cardio. Also, your mirror is now your new best friend.

As far as Deca, it does lend itself to bulking at higher doses but at low to moderate doses, diet tends to determine the results from Deca.

Instead of being overly focused about loose skin, try to focus on your lifting and diet. Once things start happening, you'll naturally be drawn to focus even more and the loose skin will be out of your mind. Besides, you're competing against yourself, not everyone else....right?

One more thing about keeping gains. What Scorpion posted above is absolutely correct. I'm sure he and others will be glad to provide some feedback if you just post your questions. Make your PCT plans now and have your proposed diet laid out so you don't get bogged down in the details while trying to focus on your cycle/results.

[Honkey_Kong]

I probably exaggerated a bit. You are right.
I'm an easy gainer but also tend to loose weight very rapidly. My face gets thinner in matters of a few days, lol. My only problem is that I have lots of loose skin around my stomach/sides since I used to be overweight. This is why I'm not interested in getting abs right now. I will need a tummy tuck or a HD lipo before.

You're almost 6 feet tall and 185lbs and you're needing to cut? I don't want to be a dickhead, but maybe you should NOT do steroids and instead learn how to train and eat right? Seriously, take a few years to work on the basics, build some natty gains up and then consider doing them in the future.

Steroids are not a substitute for shitty training and shitty eating.

[kelkel]

You're almost 6 feet tall and 185lbs and you're needing to cut? I don't want to be a dickhead, but maybe you should NOT do steroids and instead learn how to train and eat right? Seriously, take a few years to work on the basics, build some natty gains up and then consider doing them in the future.

Steroids are not a substitute for shitty training and shitty eating.

Harsh but really on point.

[Cuz]

This is going to be my third cycle. My last injection was over 52 weeks ago after a 16 weeks cycle consisting of test, dbol and EQ. Right now I don't look cute. I wasn't able to keep up all my gains and want to gain them back. My plan is to do a mini-cut of 3-4 weeks to then increase my calories once the test and deca or starts kicking. I'm just not sure if I should choose deca over mast. I n3ver troed deca before but I've heard is only good for bulking. I truly don't want to look super lean. I just want to go back to my 200lbs.

This would be it:

1-4 cutting
4-12 bulking
12-16 cutting

300 test C twice a week from week 1 to week 16
200 deca OR masteron from week 1 to week 16
Dbol from week 1 to week 6
***Hgc starting on week 2

Pct after

Thanks

Best to bulk for a while , like years. And then do a cut to show off the finished product. Ive been bulking for 7 years actually and Im still not ready to do a cut. Trying to cut and bulk in a matter of weeks is not an ideal way of cycling aas might look good on paper but absolutely pointless. Start bulking on a good clean diet and training routine would be my advice. Im over 6 ft myself and I would look just a tad bigger than a cyclist at 200 lean. Which isnt what I want. Its bodybuilding.

If you are 18% at 185 you don’t really have alot of muscle tissue just facts not hating. Your diet is the problem not the gear. Starting eating right. Get your body fat down a few points with just diet alone and build on that in a calorie surplus.

[almostgone]

You do a damn good job of "controlled" bulking, Cuz. Your build just always looks....thick.

[Cuz]

You do a damn good job of "controlled" bulking, Cuz. Your build just always looks....thick.

Appreciate the kind words AG. Little genetic help goes a long way, not in a bodybuilding sense more so metabolic help lol, I guess I should be careful on giving that bulking advice and realize not everyone has that fast thyroid production but one could make adjustments as needed. But its the “I need it now” mentality these days and social media just spreads it even moreso.

Gotta make it a lifestyle OP you give up alot of shit to get the body you want unless you have phil heath or kevin levrone genetics

[kelkel]

Gotta make it a lifestyle OP you give up alot of shit to get the body you want unless you have phil heath or kevin levrone genetics

Truth. Not many possess that attribute.

[Scorpion0922]

You're almost 6 feet tall and 185lbs and you're needing to cut? I don't want to be a dickhead, but maybe you should NOT do steroids and instead learn how to train and eat right? Seriously, take a few years to work on the basics, build some natty gains up and then consider doing them in the future.

Steroids are not a substitute for shitty training and shitty eating.

Agreed here; OP seems like you can gain easier than some guys. That's good. Now you need to gaining QUALITY pounds instaed of just pounds. I would imagine that you need a diet plan more applicable to YOU.

[scotty51312]

In my humble opinion, most AAS are neither cutting or bulking compounds. Your diet and training determine if you cut or bulk. I've seen people cut on Deca and seen people bulk on deca, same with most AAS with a few exceptions but even with the "bulking" steroids you're mostly retaining water if you're trainings on point that goes away after the cycle. But i'm close to your build and got to 200lbs at 14%bf with diet and training alone well before i used any gear to bulk. Just my 2 cents

[Honkey_Kong]

In my humble opinion, most AAS are neither cutting or bulking compounds. Your diet and training determine if you cut or bulk. I've seen people cut on Deca and seen people bulk on deca, same with most AAS with a few exceptions but even with the "bulking" steroids you're mostly retaining water if you're trainings on point that goes away after the cycle. But i'm close to your build and got to 200lbs at 14%bf with diet and training alone well before i used any gear to bulk. Just my 2 cents

He's what's wrong with the world today. People looking to take every shortcut there is. There are no shortcuts in bodybuilding.

If he wants to go over his diet and training, I'd be willing to help him reach his goals. and I'm sure others will too. It's not going to happen in time for summer this year, but maybe next year.

[Camaron]

One last question, my dbol comes in a form of 50mg a tablet. Is it okay if I start taking 50mg a day (25mg twice a day) beginning the very 1st week? For the record this is the 2nd cycle I use dbol. I just can't remember exactly how I used to take it in my last one but I know I didn't last more than 5 weeks in a row. It took me 3-4 weeks to notice a difference though. Sorry for the typos.

[Scorpion0922]

No, it's not OK. You have been advised not to use anabolics. If you want to post your diet & training plan we can likely help.

[charger69]

In my humble opinion, most AAS are neither cutting or bulking compounds. Your diet and training determine if you cut or bulk. I've seen people cut on Deca and seen people bulk on deca, same with most AAS with a few exceptions but even with the "bulking" steroids you're mostly retaining water if you're trainings on point that goes away after the cycle. But i'm close to your build and got to 200lbs at 14%bf with diet and training alone well before i used any gear to bulk. Just my 2 cents

Just your $.02? You are one of the few that understand.