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    Frank Thomas wants steroid testing

    Two-time AL MVP says he feels ‘cheated’

    Two-time American League MVP Frank Thomas says it's time to start testing players for steroids.

    May 29 — Frank Thomas wants baseball to start testing for steroids , saying he feels “cheated” if other players are using drugs.

    “I DON’T KNOW WHO’S on and who’s not on,” the two-time MVP said Wednesday before the Chicago White Sox played the New York Yankees. “There is definitely more activity in the weight room nowadays. I was hoping that it was just old guys working hard in the weight room.

    “I really think it’s time for testing. It really is.”

    Two high-profile former players said recently that steroid use is rampant in the major leagues. Ken Caminiti estimated that at least half of major leaguers use steroids , and he told Sports Illustrated he was on them when he won the NL MVP award in 1996.

    Jose Canseco put the number even higher, saying 85 percent of players use steroids.

    New York Mets manager Bobby Valentine thought those estimates were overblown.

    “Only if it’s in the water or there’s some way players are ingesting them without knowing it,” Valentine said before his team’s home game against Philadelphia. “I think it’s a total exaggeration unless you’re saying some of the stuff like MetRx mix and the blender stuff is a steroid , then I stand corrected.

    “As far as something injected or prescribed, I think it’s preposterous to say 85 percent.”

    Caminiti said steroid use was common knowledge in clubhouses, but players and managers disputed that.

    “I haven’t seen anybody use, or anything like that,” Thomas said. “I don’t think guys talk about it. I think the guys that are doing are keeping it quiet.”

    There may be rumors about certain players, but Yankees manager Joe Torre said that’s all he’s ever heard — rumors.

    “I’m not sure how widespread this problem is,” Torre said. “I’ve seen players go from tall, skinny guys to tall, strong guys. Sure, you can say he’s got to be doing something, but I’ve never had anybody tell me for sure that, ‘This person is doing this.’ It’s always, ‘I heard this guy is doing it.”’

    Toronto manager Buck Martinez believes his clubhouse is clean.

    “I would fight for the character of my 25 players,” he said. “There are so many wonderful people that play baseball. You have to be careful not to paint everybody with the same brush.”

    But as a player, Martinez admitted he didn’t always know what others were doing around him when baseball went through a drug-using scandal in the 1980s.

    “I came from the baseball generation of cocaine abuse,” Martinez said before the Blue Jays played Boston. “I was naive to that when my teammates were involved.”

    While the NFL and NBA prohibit steroids and test for them, the NHL and major league baseball have no policy regarding their use. A ban in baseball, or even testing players on 40-man rosters would have to be collectively bargained with the players’ union.

    “It’s all a matter of what a guy wants to do to his body,” Indians infielder John McDonald said. “It’s a personal choice, and what people should be talking about is what guys are doing with their lives.”
    Thomas said he’d have no problem being tested.

    “I know what I put into the game day in and day out,” he said. “I feel cheated if everyone’s on steroids, because I know how I’ve worked to get to this level and try to maintain it.

    “I think it’s time for testing and I think it’s very important,” he added. “The league should do something about that.”

    Mets outfielder Jay Payton doesn’t necessarily believe steroid use can be called an unfair advantage.

    “I don’t know if it’s really cheating or not. Who’s to say steroids should be illegal?” he said. “There’s plenty of legal stuff to take to serve that purpose. If they did test, it might even the playing field.

    “If you take steroids, it doesn’t mean you can hit a 95 mph fastball.”

    But Payton didn’t like when there were rumors that his frequent injuries early in his career were related to steroids.

    “When I was in the minors someone told me they heard a scout say, ‘Now that’s Jay’s not taking steroids anymore maybe he won’t get hurt so much.’ I was mad after I heard that,” he said.

    Indians designated hitter Ellis Burks is troubled by the claims, and feels the numbers are exaggerated.

    “When you go out and use some kind of steroid to enhance your performance, that’s pretty much cheating,” Burks said. “It’s going on. A lot of people do it and have been for a while. I don’t think half the league. But there is a certain number.”

    McDonald and Burks both said they can understand why some players might choose to risk taking something if they see that it’s working for another player.

    “It’s a great debate,” McDonald said. “Do you do it? Do you not do it? If you had the opportunity to play in the big leagues, and you only had a small window of opportunity to do it in, what would you do?”

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    test 'em and give them a salary cap too !!!!!!

    thats sad when a cop/firefighter risks his life, a teacher shapes the mind of the young and they make 30-60k if there lucky. but yet a guy that swings a bat goes on strike cause 3+ million is not enough money for what he does is just plan sad

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    Originally posted by DevilsDeity
    test 'em and give them a salary cap too !!!!!!

    thats sad when a cop/firefighter risks his life, a teacher shapes the mind of the young and they make 30-60k if there lucky. but yet a guy that swings a bat goes on strike cause 3+ million is not enough money for what he does is just plan sad
    I couldn't have said it better myself, bro. They have overblown salaries for jobs that are meaningless in the grand scheme of things....

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    Not to flame, but why would a Baseball player use steroids ?
    All they do is pitch,hit and run (not very far on any of them).

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    Originally posted by palme
    Not to flame, but why would a Baseball player use steroids ?
    All they do is pitch,hit and run (not very far on any of them).
    Bro...you just answered your own question.....

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    Hey, I am a teacher...I need more money for all the $hit I put up with

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    Originally posted by Neo


    Bro...you just answered your own question.....

    Well...IMHO Baseball isnt a sport, same with golf and horse jumping...soccer, ice hockey, American football = real sports.

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    Originally posted by palme
    Well...IMHO Baseball isnt a sport, same with golf and horse jumping...soccer, ice hockey, American football = real sports.
    The speed and length of play doesn't determine if something is a sport. It all comes down to competition, which all sports have. Tell a competitive bodybuilder that bodybuilding isn't a sport and see what he says.

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    Originally posted by EXCESS

    The speed and length of play doesn't determine if something is a sport. It all comes down to competition, which all sports have. Tell a competitive bodybuilder that bodybuilding isn't a sport and see what he says.
    Mmm i understand what you mean, lets say that they arent sports that i like to watch.

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    In reality, would testing even matter. Dont even tell me that tested sports dont have guys that are juicing. Not that i even give a crap. We all now Professional wrestling is the best sport alive and no steriods are used.

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    hmmmm

    maybe frank thomas should start worrying more about the white sox's shitty team than steriods in the majors.just a thought.........

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    They will never test because the players would have a shit fit.

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