Gen Labz X-Mass and City Chems 17-methyl 1-X.. Feedback?

**Exevious** · 08-12-2006, 06:08 PM

I have a shop with plenty of these...
Just curious if anyone has more info or feedback on what they do, or the result of the end conversion...

Here is what generic labz X-mass has for ingredient:
13-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-2,5(10)-diene-17-one

its not 17 alkylated, but is there still liver risk with it??

The guy at the shop recommended stacking it with:

Tri City Chemicals 17-methyl 1-X:

17a methyl etioallocholan 2-ene-17b-ol

Can anyone provide feedback on the effectiveness... what these convert to?
And if it is good advice to stack them...

Also if an anti estrogen would be required with them.

I am a noob, been reading for a few months... I know I should wait till Im ready for the real gear, and not waste time and health on the pro hormones.
But if the one is non 17 alkylated.. It might be worth a shot.

Thanks for help guys!

**Exevious** · 08-13-2006, 11:51 AM

I have been running searchs trying to locate discussion on these compounds with no luck....

I have found some alternative names running google searches.

So far the Gen Labz X-Mass is a form of Methoxydienone...
But a search for that still does not yeild results.

The Tri city chemicals 17-methyl1-X looks to be Phera-plex.

These do fall within the supplement forums right?

Can anyone point me in the direction of some write-ups on real experience with these?

Thanks guys!!

**Exevious** · 08-13-2006, 01:49 PM

Ok... so the Tri City chem 17-methyl1-X is the same as Phera-plex, commonly referred to as PP on these forums?

I want to ensure that PP does not also refer to another compound.

I am still at a loss for finding good info on methoxydienone...
I have started a new thread that might get more response.

I did do all the noob reading on posting a thread to get good response...
But I must be missing the mark anyway...

Anyway.. I love this website... and I am learning my ass off here!!

I have a few more months of getting my diet and routine on lock down....
And then I should be ready to take the next step, until then please forgive my noob questions...

**NightTrain** · 08-13-2006, 07:29 PM

yes dude Phera-Plex is commonly referred to as PP and yea that is the chemical mak up for it.
17a methyl etioallocholan 2-ene-17b-ol
but i think you are not searching very well......... take 13-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-2,5(10)-diene-17-one and put it in the search box and hit enter you will get an assload of info. this board is a gr8 source of info, but you have to search to find the info you want...... take care

**Exevious** · 08-13-2006, 10:00 PM

Ive tried that in a million combinations for that search, with no luck...

if it works for you please post a few links...

Thanks!

**NightTrain** · 08-14-2006, 02:27 AM

ok it didnt work for me either, but check it out dude..... phera-plex is 17a methyl etioallocholan 2-ene-17b-ol, so just search phera-plex. i have a log on my pp cycle, its called nighttrains PP log...... there are many many more listed on this site. im trying to find out what the other stuff is equivilent to.....hold on.....humph cant find nothing on the other stuff except that it looks like it used to be made by ergomax......something like ergomax lmb.... but i dont know anything about it

***perfectbeast2001*** · 08-14-2006, 02:54 AM

Originally Posted by NightTrain

ok it didnt work for me either, but check it out dude..... phera-plex is 17a methyl etioallocholan 2-ene-17b-ol, so just search phera-plex. i have a log on my pp cycle, its called nighttrains PP log...... there are many many more listed on this site. im trying to find out what the other stuff is equivilent to.....hold on.....humph cant find nothing on the other stuff except that it looks like it used to be made by ergomax......something like ergomax lmb.... but i dont know anything about it

Never heard of LMB but there is a LMG by the same company. Info below

ErgoMax LMG: Lean Mass Generator
Let me simply say it like it is: ErgoMax LMG (Lean Mass Generator) is one the most powerful anabolic compound available legally today without a prescription and only Anabolic Xtreme has it. Better yet, it is natural!
ErgoMax LMG contains the unique Pherobolix matrix that contains a proprietary blend of anabolic pheromones that are sure to deliver fast, clean, and effective results.
ErgoMax LMG has no gyno or other negative side effects that often went with using the now illegal compounds? What are you waiting for? This isn't another clam fungus myostatin inhibitor that is going to take 6 months investment before you finally give up knowing it didn't work, and no, its not another HMB product or Boron.
Real simple; try it for 6 to 8 weeks combined with your usual hardcore training and a reasonable diet to see the progress with your own eyes realized by hundred of others already.
We not only licensed the original Ergomax LMG Pherobolix matrix, we also test every batch next to the only true standard: An original bottle of Ergomax LMG from the first release and the ALRI formulary.
Supplement Facts
Serving Size: 1 Capsule
Servings Per Container: 60
Amount Per Serving:
Pherobolix 10mg (Unique proprietary pheromone matrix with 17-methyl-delta-2-etioallocholane)

**NightTrain** · 08-14-2006, 03:22 AM

yeah LMG, thats it, thats the ticket............ so im cant type sometimes, thanks for the correction perfect beast........'train

**copenhagen** · 08-14-2006, 06:15 PM

17-methyl-delta-2-etioallocholane
ergomax lmg=methyl

13-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-2,5(10)-diene-17-one
revolt= non methyl
max lmg= non methyl
x-mass= non methyl
(same compounds, but differ mg for mg)

**Exevious** · 08-14-2006, 09:33 PM

The first one is PP... Big diff in make-up from the LMG stuff..

The other is X-mass... or methoxydienone, which is a steriod .. which makes this product a designer steriod...

Just wondering if its a steriod of its own, or converts to test...
And what effects it will have on blood levels..

http://www.brighton-co.com/product1.html

Thats a list of steriod compounds... you can see methoxydienone listed matching the compound listed on bottle.

But I cant find any write ups on any part of it....

**Exevious** · 08-14-2006, 09:36 PM

Thanks nighttrain.. I have read your PP log.. good read!

you a GNR fan??

**NightTrain** · 08-15-2006, 02:24 AM

i like em, but the name is because of my harley.......'04 lava red NightTrain

**copenhagen** · 08-15-2006, 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by Exevious

The first one is PP... Big diff in make-up from the LMG stuff..

The other is X-mass... or methoxydienone, which is a steriod .. which makes this product a designer steriod...

Just wondering if its a steriod of its own, or converts to test...
And what effects it will have on blood levels..

http://www.brighton-co.com/product1.html

Thats a list of steriod compounds... you can see methoxydienone listed matching the compound listed on bottle.

But I cant find any write ups on any part of it....

very interesting site bro, just take the .com out so you don't link.

**Exevious** · 08-15-2006, 05:46 PM

my bad... ya its not selling anything..

Just a great breakdown of the compounds...

Kinda helps ya figure out what is what...

I just need to take it a step further to figure out if they are all independent or if they convert...

So far it seems crazy that stuff is sitting on a shelf waiting to be sold..

Some 18 yo clerk ready to sell and destroy the next liver...