Winstrol & It's Effects?

**ConcernedGirlfriend** · 03-02-2005, 11:58 PM

Hiyas all! I've been reading the forum now for the past 2 hours and I'm looking for the simple answers, I suppose. I was informed today by my bf that he has started a cycle of Winstrol . When married, I had so 'not so great' experiences with my husband when he cycled. Could you guys share with me the positives and negatives of this AS and maybe what I can expect?

For those that are curious, he is 6'3", currenly 230 - 235 and wants to get down to 200. He has not been actively working out lately until this past week and is now doing workouts 5 days a week including cardio and is taking in a low fat/little to no carb diet. I do not know his actual workout routine, but encourage any input, as I plan to share it all with him. His interest is not necessarily in bulk, but rather in cutting and losing body fat.

Oh, he is taking 1cc every other day by injection, if that matters! *smile*

All of your input is much appreciated!

**YounG_SluG11** · 03-03-2005, 12:04 AM

If he's wanting to lose BF, steroids aren't the way to go as they do not burn fat. Cardio, weight-training and diet are the three biggest factors in shedding bodyfat.

Have him get his training/diet regimen down to a point before he ever cycles.

**ConcernedGirlfriend** · 03-03-2005, 12:10 AM

In my opinion, he has been 'sold' on the idea of steroids , rather than being 'educated' on them....I suppose that's why I'm here. I've heard the horror stories re: decreased libido, testicular shrinking, inability to control temper, etc. I don't know if these are all 'hype' or if they are accurate.

He wants to 'cut' and lose fat....but I completely understand what you are saying SluG11. Thanks for your input.

**Dude-Man** · 03-03-2005, 12:14 AM

if he's not taking any testosterone (or clorotestosterone, or trestolone or proviron ) as you say, he will lose his libido. any steroids will cause the testicles to shrink. winny is particularly bad on the hair and joints.

roid rage is a myth however.

Winny will not help him lose body fat. the diet and cardio will however. He should nix the winny and get himself a nice eca stack.

**timeismoney** · 03-03-2005, 12:15 AM

Get him on the site and have him sit down and read read read. Also, even better advice, surprise him with a scheduled visit with a nutririonist and have him sit down with him or her (and you) and let him get his nutrition straight before even thinking about using aas. While you could see something on aas alone, its going to be a lot less. If he learns to train properly, both areobic and anerobic, and learn about nutrition, he will see much better results. But if like you said he is completely set on taking aas, have him on this site hours per day and read up on info, asking any questions he might have along the way. Goodluck.

**peump** · 03-03-2005, 12:26 AM

Originally Posted by timeismoney

Get him on the site and have him sit down and read read read. Also, even better advice, surprise him with a scheduled visit with a nutririonist and have him sit down with him or her (and you) and let him get his nutrition straight before even thinking about using aas. While you could see something on aas alone, its going to be a lot less. If he learns to train properly, both areobic and anerobic, and learn about nutrition, he will see much better results. But if like you said he is completely set on taking aas, have him on this site hours per day and read up on info, asking any questions he might have along the way. Goodluck.

no need for a nutritionist. just visit the diet forum.
there is a "how to cut" sticky

Originally Posted by timeismoney

even better advice, surprise him with a scheduled visit with a nutririonist and have him sit down with him or her.

i hate nutritionist.

**timeismoney** · 03-03-2005, 12:37 AM

they have a wealth of knowledge that would take a long time to gain, trust me. Just don't talk to them about supplements. And make sure you tell them your goals and they will be able to help a lot.

**Dude-Man** · 03-03-2005, 12:39 AM

No, they don't know anything. They think 200 grams a day is too much protein, when for a lot of people it's too little.

two words.

swole cat.

Originally Posted by timeismoney

they have a wealth of knowledge that would take a long time to gain, trust me. Just don't talk to them about supplements. And make sure you tell them your goals and they will be able to help a lot.

**timeismoney** · 03-03-2005, 12:56 AM

Originally Posted by Dude-Man

No, they don't know anything. They think 200 grams a day is too much protein, when for a lot of people it's too little.

two words.

swole cat.

Don't want to start anything, but I am a certified nutritionist and to say they don't know anything is absolutely ridiculous. While I definitely see where you are coming from, they know a lot about the human body and the effect that food has on it. And for the most part, someone like you and me don't necisarily need to talk to them because of what we already know and what are goals are, but for the average person looking to put on some weight or take off some weight, (much like a lot of people who post here looking for a quick fix from aas) they can help them get on the right track. And while they will say that 1 gram per pound of bodyweight is too much, that is what is true for a good number of people, and if you are even slightly educated on lifting at all you will have heard about the importance of protein and how to use maximize your gains through nutrition. Also there is a "new-age" of nutritionists (much like myself) who are educated in the new ways and will give advice about protein like this for someone who has goals that fit.

**peump** · 03-03-2005, 01:23 AM

anyway, ConcernedGirlfriend, checkout the diet forum

**YounG_SluG11** · 03-03-2005, 01:29 AM

Originally Posted by timeismoney

Don't want to start anything, but I am a certified nutritionist and to say they don't know anything is absolutely ridiculous. While I definitely see where you are coming from, they know a lot about the human body and the effect that food has on it. And for the most part, someone like you and me don't necisarily need to talk to them because of what we already know and what are goals are, but for the average person looking to put on some weight or take off some weight, (much like a lot of people who post here looking for a quick fix from aas) they can help them get on the right track. And while they will say that 1 gram per pound of bodyweight is too much, that is what is true for a good number of people, and if you are even slightly educated on lifting at all you will have heard about the importance of protein and how to use maximize your gains through nutrition. Also there is a "new-age" of nutritionists (much like myself) who are educated in the new ways and will give advice about protein like this for someone who has goals that fit.

Swole Cat

**dive_kid** · 03-03-2005, 01:31 AM

Originally Posted by Dude-Man

No, they don't know anything. They think 200 grams a day is too much protein, when for a lot of people it's too little.

two words.

swole cat.

totaly agree. swole is the man

**Stumbo** · 03-03-2005, 01:34 AM

I would reccomend 1cc of swole cat.

**dive_kid** · 03-03-2005, 01:36 AM

you can also tell him that winny will not burn fat. it hardens muscle.
if he is realy set on taking something tell him to do some research
on clen . it is a good fat burner but it has it's own risks.

**ConcernedGirlfriend** · 03-03-2005, 01:41 AM

Hmm, I wasn't aware of the hair loss risks involved. I'm fairly certain he may be undereducated in this regard as well as it is one of his largest concerns with his appearance. He currently takes something to prevent hair loss. He also has already suffered 6 knee surgeries and has joint issues as well.

Hmm, again, thank you all for your input and information, it is incredibly helpful.

**zuke** · 03-03-2005, 01:46 AM

hhmmmm... is this really his g/f, or is this really him not wanting to get flamed?

just kidding with ya... good luck with the intervention

**KGBnine** · 03-03-2005, 01:46 AM

Originally Posted by ConcernedGirlfriend

Hmm, I wasn't aware of the hair loss risks involved. I'm fairly certain he may be undereducated in this regard as well as it is one of his largest concerns with his appearance. He currently takes something to prevent hair loss. He also has already suffered 6 knee surgeries and has joint issues as well.

Hmm, again, thank you all for your input and information, it is incredibly helpful.

You are correct-If he thought that a winny only cycle would be beneficial, he is in need of more AAS education. Considering his goals that you stated previously, I agree with the others that diet and cardio should be his main focus. We are not saying that the use of AAS is bad, that would make most of us here hypocrites..LoL...but at this point, it doesn't seem that AAS is his best route. Maybe after he cuts down, then perhaps he might want to cycle to put on some mass, but not until then.

**ConcernedGirlfriend** · 03-03-2005, 01:52 AM

zuke, I wish he had taken the time to get educated. I think he's looking for the 'fast lane' to the outcome he hopes for.....I'm vocal with him that I'm against it.

I'm actually not sure how to share with him that I even found this site.....and what I've heard here. I'm genuinely just a bit concerned that he may not be fully aware of the outcome and that it may not meet his expectations.

**zuke** · 03-03-2005, 01:58 AM

i wish that i had gotten educated before my first cycle. i did a couple before i started researching, and i found out that i made a lot of mistakes.

bring up some of the things that you are finding out. when he tries to comfort you by telling you that they are myths, tell him that you have been asking questions on an anabolic forum and that you want him to read up on some of the stuff here. it might bruise his ego a little, but it's a far cry better than the damage he could do to himself by cycling blind (hhmmm, that has a catchy ring to it)

**jordanfanatic23** · 03-03-2005, 01:59 AM

you cant just say swolecat like that, im shure he would love to help out, but im shure he would not want to answer a question that can be answered easily by doing a simple search.

**zuke** · 03-03-2005, 02:04 AM

just do a search for cutting in the diet section. here is an example of what i found:

Cuting Diet

**zuke** · 03-03-2005, 02:05 AM

the problem is that a lot of people don't diet or train properly and try to use anabolics as a quick way to get in shape.

**dive_kid** · 03-03-2005, 02:08 AM

ConcernedGirlfriend , I sent you a detailed PM. check it out

**ConcernedGirlfriend** · 03-03-2005, 10:23 AM

Thank you to everyone that has helped....any further advice or info is still appreciated.

**Lozgod** · 03-03-2005, 10:27 AM

He has only been working actively for the past week and is juicing already? He should know better than that.

**j martini** · 03-03-2005, 11:34 AM

Here are some side effects, how common they are, and how to avoid them.

TESTICULAR ATROPHY
Any exogenous anabolic hormone will cause your balls to shrink. This is basically because your body notices a higher level of these male hormones so your testicles are left unemployed so they shrink. This can be counteracted with HCG use during and after the cycle most use it after and just accept shrunken nuts while on.

HAIRLOSS
Mainly a genetic issue although if you are going to go bald they will certainly accelerate hair loss. It is caused by testosterone converting to DHT you can use finastride to help prevent this are avoid the more potent androgens eg Testosterone, Trenbolone , winstrol is also quite harsh on the hairline.

ROID RAGE
Exagerated by the media taking a few dbol a day will not turn you into a mass murderer.
However if you already have a short temper they can cause problems Steroids just turn an asshole into a bigger asshole. If you have a laid back personality you will be fine again avoid the stronger ANDROGENS particulary Tren .

LOSS OF LIBIDO
With a winny only cycle this is a problem he will most certainly come across. All good cycle should have a testosterone base and viagra is no good when you have no sex drive.

ACNE
Some users suffer from this more than others. Steroids can cause the skin to get a little oily this problem is caused my an increase in circulating estrogen so a good anti E will help eg Arimidex . Again the biggest culprits are the strong androgenic drugs. You should also avoid orals as these have to be metabolized by the liver. Regular cleaning of the skin and tanning helps to prevent acne as well as Accutaine not rcommended unless the problem is severe as it is exremely toxic on the liver.

GYNO(BITCH TITS)
Caused by testosterone aromatising to estrogen can also be caused by high prolactin levels although more uncommon.
Can be prevented by the use of anti E,s like nolvadex , and Arimidex.

These are some of the possible side effects he will experience at least one of them. Although they can all be reduced are prevented by using certain measures.

**BUYLONGTERM** · 03-03-2005, 01:43 PM

Though your BF should not be doing a "winstrol " only cycle, he shouldn't be doing steroids without the proper education. If he knew what he was doing, he'd realize Winstrol has a quick half life (roughly 9-12hours) which means, in order for it to be effective, it needs to be shot ED (every day) not EOD and should only be run for more than 6 weeks.

**Glock-19** · 03-03-2005, 01:49 PM

First off Winstrol does help with fat loss. I just got off a winstrol only cycle and couldnt be happier with my results. Im 6`3 240 17%bf now. When I started I was 250 and about 25% body fat. Do the math

**jkour211** · 03-03-2005, 01:51 PM

I wish i had a wonam as understanding as you!!!

**Godspeed** · 03-03-2005, 01:52 PM

And you did nothing differently in your lifestyle, training routine or diet? Your results can be 100% attributed to the Winny?

RE. Glock

**BUYLONGTERM** · 03-03-2005, 01:56 PM

Winstrol Profile:

Winstrol is one of the favorite steroids in general, as confirmed by many positive doping cases. Stanozolol , for example, was one of the substances which enabled Ben Johnson to achieve his magic sprints. It also gave this excep-tional athlete a distinctly visible gain in hard and defined quality muscles, possibly making quite a few bodybuilders envious. During the first doping-tested professional bodybuilding championships, the Arnold's Classic 1990, the winner, Shawn Ray, and the enormously massive Canadian pro, Nimrod King, tested positive on Winstrol (stanozolol), (FLEX, July 1990). The Track and Field World Champi-onships 1993 in Stuttgart also brought two positive "stanozolol cases" to light. To make a long story short: Winstrol is a very effec-tive steroid when used correctly. It is important to distinguish be-tween the two different forms of administration of stanozolol, since the injectable Winstrol Depot is distinctly more effective than the oral Winstrol. Thus it is preferred by most athletes.

What is special about the injectable Winstrol Depot is that its sub-stance is not-as is common in almost all steroids-dissolved in oil; it is dissolved in water. Although almost every steroid-experienced bodybuilder knows this difference, the practical application of this knowledge rarely occurs: the injection-free intervals of the com-pound Winstrol Depot must be distinctly shorter than with the other common steroids. Simplified, this means that Winstrol Depot 50 mg/ml must be injected much more frequently than the oil-dis-solved steroids (e.g. Primobolan , Deca -Durabolin , Sustanon 250, Parabolan , etc.). The reason for this is the relative low half-life time of steroids. Those dissolved in water must be injected at least every second day, and best results are observed at a daily injection of 50 mg. The substance stanozolol is a precursor to the dihydrotestosterone and consequently, it prevents Winstrol Depot from aromatizing into estrogens with water retention occurring only rarely. Based on these characteristics the main application of Winstrol Depot is clearly defined in bodybuilding: preparation for a competi-tion. Together with a calorie-reduced diet which is rich in protein Winstrol Depot gives the muscles a continuously harder appear-ance. Winstrol Depot is usually not used as the only steroid during dieting since, based on its low androgenic component, it does not reliably protect the athlete from losing muscle tissue. The missing, pronounced androgenic effect is often balanced by a combined in-take with Parabolan. Depending on the athlete's per-formance level, the athlete usually takes 50 mg Winstrol Depot ev-ery 1-2 days and Parabolan 76 mg/1.5 ml every 1-2 day. Although there is no scientific proof of a special combined action between Winstrol Depot and Parabolan, based on several practical examples, a synergetic effect seems likely. Other steroids which athletes suc-cessfully combine with Winstrol Depot during the preparation for a competition include Masteron , Equipoise , Halotestin , Oxandrolone, Testosterone propionate , Primobolan, and HGH.

Winstrol Depot, however, is not only especially suited during prepa-ration for a competition but also in a gaining phase. Since it does not cause water retention rapid weight gains with Winstrol Depot are very rare. However, a solid muscle gain and an over proportionally strong strength increase occur, usually remaining after use of the compound is discontinued. Bodybuilders who want to build up strength and mass often combine Winstrol Depot with Dianabol , Anadrol 50, Testosterone , or Deca-Durabolin. With a stack of 100 mg Anadrol 50/day, 50 mg Winstrol Depot/day, and 400 mg Deca-Durabolin/week the user slowly gets into the dosage range of am-bitious competing athletes. Older athletes and steroid novices can achieve good progress with either Winstrol Depot/Deca-Durabolin or Winstrol Depot/Primobolan Depot. They use quite a harmless stack which normally does not lead to noticeable side effects. This leaves steroid novices with enough room for the "harder" stuff which they do not yet need in this phase. Winstrol Depot is mainly an anabolic steroid with a moderate, androgenic effect which, however, can especially manifest itself in women dosing 50 mg/week and in men dosing higher quantities. Problems in female athletes usually occur when a quantity of 50 mg is injected twice weekly. The effect of Winstrol Depot decreases considerably after a few days and thus an injection at least twice weekly is justified. However, an undesired accumulation of androgens in the female organism can occur, re-sulting in masculinization symptoms - Some deep female voices cer-tainly originated with the intake of Winstrol Depot. However, a dose of 50 mg Winstrol Depot every second day in ambitious female athletes is the rule rather than the exception. Other non-androgenic side effects can occur in men as well as in women, manifesting them-selves in headaches, cramps, changes in the HDL and LDL values, and in rare cases, in high blood pressure. Possible liver damage can be estimated as very low when Winstrol is injected; however, in large doses an elevation in the liver values is possible. Since Winstrol Depot is dissolved in water the injections are usually more uncom-fortable or more painful than is the case with oily solutions.

Although there are many fakes of the injectable Winstrol, the origi-nal "Winny " as it is lovingly called by its users, is easily recognized based on its unusual form of administration. At a first glance the content of the ampule is only a milky, white, watery solution which, however, has distinct characteristics. Original "Winny " is recognized because the substance separates from the watery injection fluid when the ampule is not shaken for some time. When the ampule is left flat in its ampule box or, for example, stands upright on a table, the substance accumulates as a distinctly visible white layer on the lower side of the glass and can only be mixed with the watery fluid if shaken several times or rolled forward and backward. An ampule containing I ml of suspension and its 50 mg dissolved stanozolol should normally separate a white layer in the size of almost a thumb-nail. The athlete thus can easily determine whether his injectable Winstrol is actually stanozolol or is rather under closed. Do not buy ampules or glass vials which contain more than I ml of suspension since an original injectable Winstrol is only available in one-millili-ter glass ampules. The price for a 50 mg Winstrol Depot ampule lies be-tween $10 - 15 on the black market.

When injected daily Winstrol Depot can become a very expensive compound. It also has the disadvantage that, because of the fre-quent injections, the already-mentioned scar tissue will develop in the gluteal region (buttocks) which leads many athletes to inject Winstrol in their shoulders, arms, legs or even calves. Although this was originally intended as an expedient, injecting Winstrol Depot into certain muscles has become increasingly popular since athletes have noticed that this leads to an accelerated growth of the affected muscle. An American pro bodybuilder who is known for his cross striated, horseshoe- shaped triceps owes this in considerable part to his regular "triceps Winstrol-Depot injections." A confusion with the also often used Esiclene is excluded. Athletes who want to avoid daily injections usually take 2-3ml Winstrol Depot twice a week. in the U.S. injectable stanozolol is manufactured only for veterinary medicine. It is distributed under the name Winstrol V by Winthrop and Upjohn

**Glock-19** · 03-03-2005, 02:00 PM

I just finished a Winstrol only cycle. Im 33 6`3 240 15%bf now. When I started I was 250 25%bf. I have noticed no side effects no ball shrinkage no dry joints no side effects at all. All I and everybody who knows me has noticed is that Im ripped to the max and my fat melted off like butter. My strength went thru the roof and I put size on every muscle group except now the muscles are not soft, their as hard as rocks with tons of definition. I couldnt be happier with my results. I worked my ass off 6 days a week in the gym. These are my results and everybody is different. Pm me if he has any other questions.

**Glock-19** · 03-03-2005, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by j martini

Here are some side effects, how common they are, and how to avoid them.

TESTICULAR ATROPHY
Any exogenous anabolic hormone will cause your balls to shrink. This is basically because your body notices a higher level of these male hormones so your testicles are left unemployed so they shrink. This can be counteracted with HCG use during and after the cycle most use it after and just accept shrunken nuts while on.

HAIRLOSS
Mainly a genetic issue although if you are going to go bald they will certainly accelerate hair loss. It is caused by testosterone converting to DHT you can use finastride to help prevent this are avoid the more potent androgens eg Testosterone, Trenbolone , winstrol is also quite harsh on the hairline.

ROID RAGE
Exagerated by the media taking a few dbol a day will not turn you into a mass murderer.
However if you already have a short temper they can cause problems Steroids just turn an asshole into a bigger asshole. If you have a laid back personality you will be fine again avoid the stronger ANDROGENS particulary Tren .

LOSS OF LIBIDO
With a winny only cycle this is a problem he will most certainly come across. All good cycle should have a testosterone base and viagra is no good when you have no sex drive.

ACNE
Some users suffer from this more than others. Steroids can cause the skin to get a little oily this problem is caused my an increase in circulating estrogen so a good anti E will help eg Arimidex . Again the biggest culprits are the strong androgenic drugs. You should also avoid orals as these have to be metabolized by the liver. Regular cleaning of the skin and tanning helps to prevent acne as well as Accutaine not rcommended unless the problem is severe as it is exremely toxic on the liver.

GYNO(BITCH TITS)
Caused by testosterone aromatising to estrogen can also be caused by high prolactin levels although more uncommon.
Can be prevented by the use of anti E,s like nolvadex , and Arimidex.

These are some of the possible side effects he will experience at least one of them. Although they can all be reduced are prevented by using certain measures.

Holy ****. These kind of post are so dumb. Winstrol dosent cause Gyno, roid rage or alot of the stuff you posted. Do some research before bashing something you know nothing about. Winstrol is not a Testosterone based
steroid . Ill leave it at that.

**Mesomorphyl** · 03-03-2005, 02:08 PM

If he does testosterone you will dig the added sex, I could really confirm that with a photo. Please post one up so we can tell you what he would do. Thanks

**longhorn814** · 03-03-2005, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by Glock-19

I just finished a Winstrol only cycle. Im 33 6`3 240 15%bf now. When I started I was 250 25%bf. I have noticed no side effects no ball shrinkage no dry joints no side effects at all. All I and everybody who knows me has noticed is that Im ripped to the max and my fat melted off like butter. My strength went thru the roof and I put size on every muscle group except now the muscles are not soft, their as hard as rocks with tons of definition. I couldnt be happier with my results. I worked my ass off 6 days a week in the gym. These are my results and everybody is different. Pm me if he has any other questions.

Bro, can you please make up your mind. In one post you went from 35% -15%, another post you went from 30-15%, now its 25-15%. So you lost fat and built muscle from something that is mostly androgenic , not anabolic , and lost fat at the same time from something that doesnt burn fat? Not to hijack the original thread, but if, and i use the term loosely, if those really are his results, those are very very unusual results for most people.

**Mesomorphyl** · 03-03-2005, 02:11 PM

Watch out the exagerator has a glock!

**Glock-19** · 03-03-2005, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by longhorn814

Bro, can you please make up your mind. In one post you went from 35% -15%, another post you went from 30-15%, now its 25-15%. So you lost fat and built muscle from something that is mostly androgenic, not anabolic, and lost fat at the same time from something that doesnt burn fat? Not to hijack the original thread, but if, and i use the term loosely, if those really are his results, those are very very unusual results for most people.

Ya well I have one of those wall mart body fat scales and yes it isnt that accurate but you get the jist. After talkin to consis. I realized my scale isnt that accurate but my gains are for real.Oho and I never said I went from 35% you have a bad memory.

**Glock-19** · 03-03-2005, 02:18 PM

Longhorn you need to do some research on this subject. Yes winstrol does help with fat loss.

**Godspeed** · 03-03-2005, 02:20 PM

Those scales are bunk.

**j martini** · 03-03-2005, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by Glock-19

Holy ****. These kind of post are so dumb. Winstrol dosent cause Gyno, roid rage or alot of the stuff you posted. Do some research before bashing something you know nothing about. Winstrol is not a Testosterone based
steroid . Ill leave it at that.

I was mentioning the side effects of all AAS not just winstrol. If you read it carefully you will notice i mentioned winstrol with the side effects that it is known to cause eg hair loss, loss of libido, and testicular atrophy.
If you had of read it properly before commenting you would have noticed that.