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05-17-2005, 12:32 PM #1Banned
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Nolva and Clomid when taking very small doses of AS
I`m about to finish a cycle using very little AS at all.
I`m taking 250mg of sust every 10 days, and that`s it.
In a couple of months, I`ll hit the sweet juice again, this time 250 mg every week, so a slight increase, then.
If I feel some gyno, do I need to take 1 tab of nolva a day at such small doses, or can I just take one every now and then when it feels a little too bad?
Clomid: one tab is 50 mg, right? Can you take half a tab a day and expect to keep all your gains from such a modest cycle, or do you need a full tab a day to be sure? You only need to take clomid for about 10 days after finishing the cycle, right?
I`m a dirt poor student, that`s why I try to limit my expenses as much as possible, and nolva and clomid is quite expensive.
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05-17-2005, 01:07 PM #2
why the hell are u taking only 250 of sust every 10 days? first off sust needs to be shot EOD at a minimum. i bet u bloated up real bad and got some nice acne huh? looks like u didnt do any research and just hoped on something. research better next time bro
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05-18-2005, 03:02 PM #3Banned
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Originally Posted by w_rballs
2) No acne
3) I`ve had great gains by the way
4) According to the front page on this site, some people DO inject 250 mg of sust every 10 days
5) If you haven`t got anything productive to say about the topic in question how about a big cup of shut the **** up, huh?
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05-18-2005, 03:16 PM #4Originally Posted by Power Viking
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05-18-2005, 09:16 PM #5Originally Posted by Power Viking
first off.... the front page is outdated. if im not mistaken they still talk about frontloading there and pyramiding the cycle.
second.... sust needs to be shot EOD as i said before to maintain stable blood levels.
third... what do u consider "great gains"?
fourth as pointed out by your choice of cycle (dose and frequency of injection), u are not that experieneced and havent done much research so when someone with some experience and time behind them tries to help ya out i suggest u ease up and chill out and not tell them to shut the **** up. if u keep talking like that no one will help ya here.
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05-18-2005, 09:20 PM #6
doing cycles without research is just sad.. real pethetic.
your results would be a joke, have fun keepin em lol
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05-18-2005, 09:22 PM #7Originally Posted by Power Viking
your the one askin "us" for input - have fun gettin some when ur tellin ppl to shut the F*ck up.. dont act like a lil girl
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05-19-2005, 08:04 AM #8Banned
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Originally Posted by the revolution
I did a cycle many years ago where I took omnadren . I asked a very experienced body builder what doses to start at and he said that taking one shot of omnadren every 10 days would be fine. I got very decent gains, and since most steroid profiles on the net says that omnadren and sust is more or less the same, I thought I`d do the same cycle now.
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Great gains considering the low doses. I`ve increased my bench press with out 20 pounds, my squat is up cirka 30 pounds and my deadlifts are up another 20 punds (actually slightly more as 10 and 15 kgs are a little more than 20 and 30 pounds). My body weight has increased about 8 pounds, but I don`t care about that. I just want to get stronger.
Haven`t noticed any side effects besides a little soreness in the nipples about 8 days after an injection, and I tend to get a bit more irritated and horny.
I have one injection left, so it seems that this went fine and I`m very satisfied with such a progress in less than two months. I`ll take 1 cc a week next time I cycle, though.
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05-19-2005, 09:28 AM #9Originally Posted by Power Viking
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05-19-2005, 09:40 AM #10
Your gains are more or less likely to weight training and diet.
Sust contains Test Propionate with 3 other longer estered test's. With the short half-life of the test prop and the inability for you to get a nice saturation because of the infrequent injections, you are wasting the prop.
The rest of the test available to you IMO is still to low of a dosage to see any results from the AAS anyway.
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05-19-2005, 01:54 PM #11Banned
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Originally Posted by w_rballs
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05-19-2005, 01:57 PM #12Banned
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05-19-2005, 02:10 PM #13Banned
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If I have to shoot sust EOD that means 3-4 injections a week. I`m not gonna shoot 1000 milligrams of sust a week, that`s for sure.
I guess you could draw up have the amp and store the rest, but where?
Can I draw up half the sust in the needle, keep it in my drawer then take it out a couple of days later and inject the rest?
Seems kinda risky in terms of infections and stuff.
How `bout a combo of sust and just a little bit of dbol ? Like half an amp of sust on monday, 10 mg of dbol on wednesday and thursday just to keep those blood levels stabile and then the rest of the amp on friday or something?
I don`t really need to put on 30 lbs per cycle or anything, just wanna make steady gains and I sure as hell can`t afford to shoot four amps of sust every week for eight weeks.
Found some stuff:
"Sustanon is usually injected once a week, which can be stretched up to 10 days. Doses ranges from 250 mg every 14 days to 1000 mg a day.
In most cases the rule is 250 mg to 500 mg a week."
- http://www.domesticgear.com/Sustanon250.html
But then again this site might just be full of BS for all I know.
It also said that due to the prop in the sust the compound was active in the body for as long as 3-4 weeks.
If my blood levels get all ****ed up and shit because of the infrequent injections, shouldn`t I be able to notice that. Shouldn`t I be losing water or getting some side effects when the drug wears out or something? I feel like a million bucks all the time, and my body weight and performance is at a steady peak and slowly getting better and better regardless of wether I just tok a shot or not.
The problem with getting good info on AS is that there`s so much different stuff out there. A doctor/body builder I worked out with told me that 99% of the users took doses that were way too high and had no scientific foundation. But then again, even he suggested stronger doses than what I`m taking now.
I thought that the fast acting testo had to be takin EOD, but that a compound such as sust and omnadren was designed to last for about a week seeing how it`s a mix of fast and slow testo.Last edited by Power Viking; 05-19-2005 at 02:20 PM.
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05-19-2005, 02:11 PM #14
Keep it in the fridge. No to the dbol thing.
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05-20-2005, 03:12 AM #15Originally Posted by Power Viking
Originally Posted by Power Viking
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05-20-2005, 08:56 AM #16Banned
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Originally Posted by w_rballs
But still, I haven`t experienced any side effects at all. Then again, 250 mg every 10 days is a very small dose, so that might be the reason.
So, I should draw the whole shit into the syringe, inject half of it, put the cap back on the needle, store it, change the needle for my next injection and shoot the rest? Is it necessary to store syringe with the juice in the fridge when I`m going to use a new needle for the next injection anyway?
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05-20-2005, 10:27 AM #17Originally Posted by Power Viking
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05-20-2005, 01:21 PM #18Banned
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Originally Posted by w_rballs
What I don`t see about sust is this:
Isn`t the idea of having different types of test in a mix that you should get a constant stream of test into your system? I thought that first the prop was released, and when the prop started to fade out the next type of test would start to kick in, and so on.
If so, then injecting a new amp before the old one is "finished" would result in overlapping and an uneven amount of test in your blood stream.
From what I understand now all the four types start to work at the same time, but they lose their effect one by one. So to begin with you have the effect of all four types of test, then the prop "disappears", leaving you with the remaining three types, then just two and so on.
If so, I can see the need for a more hastely "refill" by a new injection, but even then overlapping will occur causing uneven levels of test in your blood.
Are dose 30 mg of prop out of 250 mg really worth it then taking this into consideration?
I guess it is, otherwise this point would not be so stressed, but it gives one something to think about, huh?
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