do u feel like this?

[karln]

in betwen cycles i get so ****ing weak.the first month of being off a cycle i feel really shit like weak as hell i drop maybe 40 lbs in the bench press..... then 3 month later i regain the strength gain from the cycle. then i go on aniother cycle and keep gaining is this a pattern u recognize?

[stupidhippo]

maybe u bounce back slowly? are u at what level? I bet if u bench like 500 lbs that should be expected.. I think.. some friends of mine who juice but arent that strong manage to keep gains a lot better than I ..

[vein-x]

Sounds like your PCT isn't what it should be. After you've put 500mg+ of Testosterone in your body and then you completely stop... you're in for a shock, no doubt. But one of the smartest things you can do is make PCT and the 'bridge' between PCT effective enough to keep 90% of strength and mass, and roughly 10% will be lost from water retention no matter what. Take a look at this:

Let's say your cycle is 12 weeks of Testosterone Enanthate @ 500mg/week & 500mg EQ @ 500mg/week. Shooting twice a week @ 250mg per shot etc etc... By around week 5-7 your blood levels will have reached the 500mg of Enanthate & EQ, so your size, strength, mood and libido will be running in high gear. It's when you take that 100% away that everything drops...

Instead of doing that, on your next cycle run something like this:
Weeks 1-12: Test. Enan. & EQ @ 500mg/week
Weeks 13-15: Testosterone Propionate @ 75mg/ED OR 150mg/EOD (fewer injections)
Weeks 16-19: (whatever necessary PCT you need)

Looking at the above example you notice the use of Testosterone Propionate , a very short-ester form of Testosterone. Basically, the Test. Prop. takes place of the Test. Enan. & EQ and lowers your blood levels of testosterone ... but not to ZERO like you had it. It's a VERY effective bridge that should be run on ANY cycle (or at least one that ends...) to keep all gains, mood and sex-drive.

One DAY after your last Test. Prop. shot, run your PCT.. as opposed to 2-3 WEEKS which allows your body to lower it's testosterone to zero and lose all gains you've worked so hard to put on when you immediately stop a long-ester testosterone like Enanthate. I hope this helps you a lot in any upcoming cycles, it helps me like you wouldn't believe.

[heavyrotation92]

Sounds like your PCT isn't what it should be. After you've put 500mg+ of Testosterone in your body and then you completely stop... you're in for a shock, no doubt. But one of the smartest things you can do is make PCT and the 'bridge' between PCT effective enough to keep 90% of strength and mass, and roughly 10% will be lost from water retention no matter what. Take a look at this:

Let's say your cycle is 12 weeks of Testosterone Enanthate @ 500mg/week & 500mg EQ @ 500mg/week. Shooting twice a week @ 250mg per shot etc etc... By around week 5-7 your blood levels will have reached the 500mg of Enanthate & EQ, so your size, strength, mood and libido will be running in high gear. It's when you take that 100% away that everything drops...

Instead of doing that, on your next cycle run something like this:
Weeks 1-12: Test. Enan. & EQ @ 500mg/week
Weeks 13-15: Testosterone Propionate @ 75mg/ED OR 150mg/EOD (fewer injections)
Weeks 16-19: (whatever necessary PCT you need)

Looking at the above example you notice the use of Testosterone Propionate , a very short-ester form of Testosterone. Basically, the Test. Prop. takes place of the Test. Enan. & EQ and lowers your blood levels of testosterone ... but not to ZERO like you had it. It's a VERY effective bridge that should be run on ANY cycle (or at least one that ends...) to keep all gains, mood and sex-drive.

One DAY after your last Test. Prop. shot, run your PCT.. as opposed to 2-3 WEEKS which allows your body to lower it's testosterone to zero and lose all gains you've worked so hard to put on when you immediately stop a long-ester testosterone like Enanthate. I hope this helps you a lot in any upcoming cycles, it helps me like you wouldn't believe.

and theres ur answer...

[*Alex*]

Sounds like your PCT isn't what it should be. After you've put 500mg+ of Testosterone in your body and then you completely stop... you're in for a shock, no doubt. But one of the smartest things you can do is make PCT and the 'bridge' between PCT effective enough to keep 90% of strength and mass, and roughly 10% will be lost from water retention no matter what. Take a look at this:

Let's say your cycle is 12 weeks of Testosterone Enanthate @ 500mg/week & 500mg EQ @ 500mg/week. Shooting twice a week @ 250mg per shot etc etc... By around week 5-7 your blood levels will have reached the 500mg of Enanthate & EQ, so your size, strength, mood and libido will be running in high gear. It's when you take that 100% away that everything drops...

Instead of doing that, on your next cycle run something like this:
Weeks 1-12: Test. Enan. & EQ @ 500mg/week
Weeks 13-15: Testosterone Propionate @ 75mg/ED OR 150mg/EOD (fewer injections)
Weeks 16-19: (whatever necessary PCT you need)

Looking at the above example you notice the use of Testosterone Propionate , a very short-ester form of Testosterone. Basically, the Test. Prop. takes place of the Test. Enan. & EQ and lowers your blood levels of testosterone ... but not to ZERO like you had it. It's a VERY effective bridge that should be run on ANY cycle (or at least one that ends...) to keep all gains, mood and sex-drive.

One DAY after your last Test. Prop. shot, run your PCT.. as opposed to 2-3 WEEKS which allows your body to lower it's testosterone to zero and lose all gains you've worked so hard to put on when you immediately stop a long-ester testosterone like Enanthate. I hope this helps you a lot in any upcoming cycles, it helps me like you wouldn't believe.

never heard of this cycle before, sound interesting!

[AnabolicAndre]

Vein layed out a very good protocol for not crashing so hard. I think that might be the problem. by doing what he said your basically keeping the test in your body high then automatically running your PCT, so the crash would be minimal

[AnabolicAndre]

Vein layed out a very good protocol for not crashing so hard. I think that might be the problem. by doing what he said your basically keeping the test in your body high then automatically running your PCT, so the crash would be minimal

[Swifto]

Run some HCG , throughout and leading upto PCT. 500-1000ius/ED for the final 10 days leading to PCT. This will help combat testicular atrophy/inhibition.

[karln]

dudes iam on my pct nolva + hcg but i always feel like this no mather if i do pct or not
i got all the weight left but its the strength