Best option for these circumstances

**ihatesquats** · 03-19-2010, 09:16 AM

Lads,

Been training 15 years, 220lbs, 16%. 4 cycles, everything from test to halo, T3 and clen . Good PCT everytime.

In wintertime train in the gym and do what I've been doing for a few years now... powerlift the big 3 and body build the rest. In the summertime I compete at long distance triathlon. They are at completely opposite ends of the scale but I really like doing this.

Anyway this winter I piled on a lot of BF and need to get back to being lean and fit for the summer. Now I know there are no AAS that do not shut you down but I want to run a mild AAS that will keep me anabolic while cutting my pounds down. Ill be doing up to 25 hours / week of cardio and thats catabolic city! so my question is.....

Can I run a mild AAS with Clomid or something for 6 weeks and run no PCT. I will cycle for size and strength starting again in november so I cant afford to go all out with test and a big PCT

SO.... would VAR at say 20 - 40 mg /day with clomid at 50mg / day for just 4 to 6 weeks work? maybe 4 weeks on / 4 wks off / wks on / etc

Thanks fellas

Really appreciate the advice

**lexruger** · 03-19-2010, 09:19 AM

well your gonna need to run a pct whether or not it shuts you down, it will still suppress you

**ihatesquats** · 03-19-2010, 04:09 PM

wont the clomid be enough to keep me functioning?

any other feedback here would be great

**cobra305** · 03-19-2010, 04:17 PM

r u 16% bf now or was that an old estimate?

**N2Deep** · 03-19-2010, 06:06 PM

Have you thought about PCGL?

**ihatesquats** · 03-19-2010, 07:32 PM

Yeah Im 16 % now, maybe a bit more. This is the highest Ive ever let it go. Feel like shit.

I've seen pclg in threads but I dont know what it is? What is it?

**N2Deep** · 03-19-2010, 07:52 PM

Search it, there is some great info on it on this board. Ive read them all and Im currently three days in a 8 day run on it. Its pretty cheap with fast results, the sides are rough though. Everything you read about the sides are true. The sides are not consistent except the bathroom trips happen every time.

**ihatesquats** · 03-19-2010, 08:11 PM

yeah just been reading, that shit is no joke. I dont putting up with sides. But I'm just wondering where the hell I would get it.

However my main concern is something will act as an anticatabolic whilst I do the high volume of cardio.

Im going to look out for that PCGL though

**ihatesquats** · 03-20-2010, 01:29 PM

I want to bump this to get a solid answer for my original question.

Can I run a mild oral at a low dose for a short cycle with clomid or equivalent so as to avoid PCT???

Thanks fellas

***D7M*** · 03-20-2010, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by ihatesquats

I want to bump this to get a solid answer for my original question.

Can I run a mild oral at a low dose for a short cycle with clomid or equivalent so as to avoid PCT???

Thanks fellas

No.

If you want to run a low dose cycle to maintain muscle while cutting, fine.

But you'll still need a pct after.

**XLR8now** · 03-20-2010, 04:17 PM

why is it essential to you to avoid PCT?

**ihatesquats** · 03-21-2010, 09:55 AM

ok I figured that.

My research has lead me to this now;

6 weeks of var @25mg (beyond this people report shutdown)

PCT: 2 weeks of clomid @ 100mg (seems all thats necessary)

Re why I want to avoid, I did a monster 20 week cycle last year and it really f'd me for about 7 months. And now I have a big cycle planned for oct/nov, I just dont want to shut myself down hard again before I run my big cycle.

**2jz_calgary** · 03-21-2010, 10:17 AM

Have you ever considered gh? It takes a while to kick in however it it slightly anabolic and
Anticatabolic. Plus you can run it into your next cycle and of course no type of pct is required.

**ihatesquats** · 03-21-2010, 12:22 PM

yeah GH, I'm 29 years old. You think I might be still too young for it? I've read that it works better with older guys because their nat GH drops off.

Would 4 iu per day still be anabolic ??

**2jz_calgary** · 03-21-2010, 05:58 PM

it would be, probably not as much as steroids but its a safer option. If you could afford it for growth id up the dose to 5-8 ius a day but it does get pricy.