First Cycle in few weeks... is this good?

[Bloodhoun116]

Okay so i'm 19 years old and i've been training hard for about 3 years now. I've got my macros and diet down pat so I was hoping if someone could tell me what type of gains i could expect to see from this cycle with me lifting heavy for 4 days a week during this cycle. I'm currently 6'1 sitting @ around 187 lbs with 9% bf. I was an extreme ectomorph before i started lifting and i weighed around 146 lbs with 3% bf when I started. Anyways heres the cycle

Test E: 250mg per week (wk 1-10)
Tren Ace: 100mg per week (wk 3-12)
Deca : 250mg per week (wk 5-14)

Could anyone tell me what type of gains would i get after this cycle and about how much weight i would put on and how much I would keep after pct and things like that. Feedback greatly appreciated, thanks!

[MuscleInk]

Very bad idea for someone your age. Moreover, the proposed cycle would definitely NOT be a beginner's cycle.

Have a look at this thread here:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...*#.UPPNDEK9Kc0

[Bloodhoun116]

awww maann.. but will it give me good results? That's what im really interested in

[MuscleInk]

awww maann.. but will it give me good results? That's what im really interested in

Only if your nutrition and training is dialed in to drive the growth. Nutrition is 80% of size. There is NO way around it.

Plus, with that cycle you could face permanent damage or unpleasant side effects. What good is size if you are depressed, can't get an erection, or have cardiac or kidney issues?

[marcus300]

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus

[Back In Black]

He's had 2 previous threads over the past few months. He's been told this twice already. Guess some people can't/don't listen!

[MuscleInk]

He's had 2 previous threads over the past few months. He's been told this twice already. Guess some people can't/don't listen!

I thought it looked familiar! Nope, some people don't stop until they hear what they want to hear!

[Bloodhoun116]

Thanks Marcus, very educated answer. Although not exactly what I was looking for, I do appreciate the response

[Bloodhoun116]

Cool, I know i have my diet in check already. I have my bulking meal plan and everything. And as far as those side effects. Idc what my body looks like internally, as long as i'm aesthetic externally, that's all that really matters =]

[MickeyKnox]

The avi says it all..

[Bloodhoun116]

You bastard.. You take that back. No one talks down on the God, nobody

[marcus300]

Thanks Marcus, very educated answer. Although not exactly what I was looking for, I do appreciate the response

It is the right answer its just you who wont accept it because your looking for something YOU want to hear but the truth and only right answer is steroids are not for you because your 19yrs old, you will shut down your natural testosterone while its still developing and this can cause you problems you wished you never had, not just a few weeks of problems buit the rest of your life having trouble getting a hard on, no sex drive, weight loss, depression etc these are things your going to risk for the rest of your life when the simple answer is use what you have naturally and use the training and diet to build tissue becausee trust me if you can build muscle at your age with your test levels then steroids wont do anything for you anyway. Dont be immature and think about it, just thyink not being able to get hard with a woman!!! just think you have to inject test for the rest of your life to feel normal....be wise and be smart and listen to the right answer

[Bloodhoun116]

I know I know. I know the side effects and everything, that's why i made sure I have a sufficient pct to minimize the chance of this happening to the fullest extent. I made sure I have Nolvadex and Clomid to restore my body's natural test levels shortly after. These are tough times for me, and unfortunately I just don't have enough time to do this naturally like I want. I'm only young once. This summer one of the girls that never even gave me the time of day is coming back from college and when she sees me at a party that whore is gonna wish she treated me better cause im gonna be jacked and shredded. And to me, that will be the sweetest revenge of all, and so I can finally do to her what she did to me all 4 years in high school.. So forgive my ignorance, but you don't understand where I am coming from. I know the consequences may be severe, but that's a risk I'm willing to take to get revenge on that slag that pushed me to do this.

[marcus300]

I know I know. I know the side effects and everything, that's why i made sure I have a sufficient pct to minimize the chance of this happening to the fullest extent. I made sure I have Nolvadex and Clomid to restore my body's natural test levels shortly after. These are tough times for me, and unfortunately I just don't have enough time to do this naturally like I want. I'm only young once. This summer one of the girls that never even gave me the time of day is coming back from college and when she sees me at a party that whore is gonna wish she treated me better cause im gonna be jacked and shredded. And to me, that will be the sweetest revenge of all, and so I can finally do to her what she did to me all 4 years in high school.. So forgive my ignorance, but you don't understand where I am coming from. I know the consequences may be severe, but that's a risk I'm willing to take to get revenge on that slag that pushed me to do this.

Your not listening or understand how to build msucle tissue. Using clomid and nolva doesnt elminate the risks when your 19yrs old and your HPTA hasnt fully developed, shutting down your HPTA at your age when its not fully developed can cause you seroius problems. Check out the thread where we have teenagers crying because their dicks dont work or have low test and a boat load of sides....Educate yourself properly and remember your the one who came on here for advice and your asking guys like myself who have been ntaking steroids longer than you have been alive and we are all telling you to NOT take steroids at 19yrs old, think about it? your asking guys who knopw about this stuff and they are all telling you to not take steroids yet your that blind all you want to hear is to run a cycle like this, come on your being immature and very small minded.

The way you talk about some girl coming back up and you want to be jacked up, whaat on earth are you talking about, are you 10yrs old? for gods sake stop being immature and listen. Building muscle doesnt come quick weather on steroids or not and fromn your above story you should never touch steroids becaue your already unbalanced...

I wont waste anymore time on your threasd because i'm wasting my time, best of luck you'll need it

[boz]

It is the right answer its just you who wont accept it because your looking for something YOU want to hear but the truth and only right answer is steroids are not for you because your 19yrs old, you will shut down your natural testosterone while its still developing and this can cause you problems you wished you never had, not just a few weeks of problems buit the rest of your life having trouble getting a hard on, no sex drive, weight loss, depression etc these are things your going to risk for the rest of your life when the simple answer is use what you have naturally and use the training and diet to build tissue because trust me if you can build muscle at your age with your test levels then steroids wont do anything for you anyway. Dont be immature and think about it, just thyink not being able to get hard with a woman!!! just think you have to inject test for the rest of your life to feel normal....be wise and be smart and listen to the right answer

It is literally like as if your walking through hell, and i think i can quote you on that to marcus if my memory serves me correctly, i do recall you saying that somewhere. I had my birthday recently and i brought home 2 women from the club, lets just say things didnt end well on my part downstairs on and off the whole time could not keep myself hard if my life depended on it, i even had legit viagra on hand and that still did not really help me, this goes to show HOW POWERFUL these compounds can be. I had mates tell me it happens to the best of us at times, i knew exactly what my problem was and it certainly was not from drinking excess amounts of alcohol. It was due to compound changes in my cycle, and im still having problems.

I felt like shit after this and still am dwelling on it, make matters worse its interfering with my daily life style (attitude, and general sense of well being) and to make matters worse cause of this incident and a phew other things going on in my life, u end up taking your frustrations out on ppl that do not deserve the hostility treatment when they have done nothing wrong. It is clearly not there fault that i decided to take AAS lightly.

When you experience all these things first hand bloodhound unfortunately u may have to learn the hardway like i have, but when it does happen just be sure to reflect back and knew that u were warned. Im not taking sides here either, or licking ass cause i would be a hypocrite, since im still quite young and i started young. You do what you want no one has a gun to your head, but you cant say you were not advised.

[Bloodhoun116]

Well thank you, I appreciate you guy's feedback. I will get back to you guys in a few months and update you on my situation. Thank you.

[Back In Black]

Well thank you, I appreciate you guy's feedback. I will get back to you guys in a few months and update you on my situation. Thank you.

Don't forget to update us in 10 years too on your TRT protocol!

[Blackmambar]

Very interesting thread, thanks for sharing all the info...

Although this has increased my fear of doing a cycle even more now, probably for the best...

[ma_fighter]

Okay so i'm 19 years old Too young, dont be a fu*ktard and do AAS...
Test E: 250mg per week (wk 1-10)
Tren Ace: 100mg per week (wk 3-12)
Deca : 250mg per week (wk 5-14)This "cycle" is crap. Dosages are crap, and the timing is crap. You are too young to be doing this in the first place, unless you WANT to fu*k up your Endocrine system for the rest of your life. And trust me on this, there's a whoooooooole lot more to it then just not being able to get an erection. If you WERE old enough, you STILL wouldn't be educated enough to do a cycle.

Could anyone tell me what type of gains would i get after this cycle and about how much weight i would put on and how much I would keep after pct and things like that.You need to learn to eat more, or a cycle wont do d*ck for you.. 3%bf naturally? yeah, right..

LISTEN to Marcus and the other guys ffs!!! If you don't... well, then you're dumb as fu*k...

[Alinjr]

Once again...To young

[Granovich]

You bastard.. You take that back. No one talks down on the God, nobody

Seriously ? LOL man you are something else!

[Bloodhoun116]

cmon guys cant u cut me some slack, im only doing just this one cycle then im done 4 good. i only want to make this **** jealous and angry like she did to me. surely u guys had a similar situation when you were younger. and i dont think ill have a problem with getting a hard on. i literally get a full on rager if a girl gives me a hug.. i know pretty sad, and its not like i have much use for it anyway, im still a freaking virgin..

[marcus300]

Seriously steriods are not for you, go and train and eat but please don't touch steriods.

[Bloodhoun116]

okay il wait, but lets say hypothetically speaking i was like 28 and i was good to do a cycle. would u say this cycle would get me some nice gains with proper nutrition and training? or would just 500mg of test per week be good?

[marcus300]

I give up

[Bloodhoun116]

no! dont give up on me i said im not gonna do it didnt u hear me! i said if i was of age!what i cant take them at 28 either. because according to that essay u posted earlier 24 was good enough

[ma_fighter]

Eat more

[Bloodhoun116]

okay what if i was 28 ate more and did this cycle?

[alex18]

To the OP.... What will happen is this.... You will go to said party, this girl who never noticed you at school will STiLL not notice you..... Then one of her friends will go... Oh look how much weight he has put on... He's all bloated! Yeah probably steroids ! Steroids? So that means he has tiny balls! Eewwweee ssoooo gross!!!

Forget steroids and forget this girl....

[Jonnyg419]

no! dont give up on me i said im not gonna do it didnt u hear me! i said if i was of age!what i cant take them at 28 either. because according to that essay u posted earlier 24 was good enough

So just because you said that you expect cycle advice? Sounds like someone fishing for the answer they want to hear to me. Just do what you want, you are gonna get huge and be knee deep in p***y for the rest of your life, your c**k is also gonna grow 10", and your gonna hit the lottery, since that is what you started this thread to hear, there is no point in saying anything else to you. Good luck in your endeavors!

[Bloodhoun116]

So just because you said that you expect cycle advice? Sounds like someone fishing for the answer they want to hear to me. Just do what you want, you are gonna get huge and be knee deep in p***y for the rest of your life, your c**k is also gonna grow 10", and your gonna hit the lottery, since that is what you started this thread to hear, there is no point in saying anything else to you. Good luck in your endeavors!

excellent excellent, sounds good. and thanks for the wishes, ill keep u posted on results post cycle

[boz]

You talk about wanting girls, im still surprised my post has not made u think twice. What dont u get?

[clarky.]

Lmao at this thread

[mrglorious]

Hey buddy i was in your situation before. I wanted to do aas when i was 20 but after research on the forums and advice from local gym rats, i continued staying natural til i turned 25 and started my first cycle of test e 500mg/week for 10 weeks.

Yes the results were amazing but most imptly u gonna have ur bloodwork checked before doing any cycle. Then again diet is everything, so use these years til u rch the peak age to instill more discipline in your training and diet.

Doing too much compounds for your first cycle will really mess your body up anyway so do proper research first buddy. Good luck !

[mbreti]

Haha what's with all the abuse at the OP, bit harsh but funny nonetheless.

I don't know why you are trying to follow someones footsteps, who died prematurely (which in all honesty was probably party related to AAS). Especially when it's just for some girl man, you got some issues.

But if your going to ignore all the advice at least check out these cycles:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread....#.UKlLKIfAe6M

[Granovich]

no! dont give up on me i said im not gonna do it didnt u hear me! i said if i was of age!what i cant take them at 28 either. because according to that essay u posted earlier 24 was good enough

if MARCUS give up, then there is something really wrong man!!!!
you dont just cycle once and end up like arnold... i dont believe its for you not now not at 28
you think you are indestructible but you arent, i thought the same

[qscgugcsq]

You look really stubborn and retarded dude... You are too young and clearly too immature to cycle...

But if you really want to do it just do 500mg/week of test enanthate +AI + HCG + PCT(nolva+clomid) And pray for your sake that your endrocrine system will be fine.

stop being an asshole. Just do it and don't come cry here in 6 month when your dick as stopped working...

[Bloodhoun116]

You look really stubborn and retarded dude... You are too young and clearly too immature to cycle...

But if you really want to do it just do 500mg/week of test enanthate +AI + HCG + PCT(nolva+clomid) And pray for your sake that your endrocrine system will be fine.

stop being an asshole. Just do it and don't come cry here in 6 month when your dick as stopped working...

will it work again after my pct is done? like a few months after or will it be done for good? cause as i stated earlier im still a virgin so it really doesnt matter i guess..

[MuscleInk]

will it work again after my pct is done? like a few months after or will it be done for good? cause as i stated earlier im still a virgin so it really doesnt matter i guess..

No one can provide you with a guarantee. You may have long term erectile issues, you may not. Shutting down your endocrine system now is foolish and you've already been told that by Marcus. Another problem is that you could need testosterone therapy for the REST OF YOUR LIFE. We can't say for sure because everyone is different.

You've been told numerous times not to do this, YET.

The choice is yours. Just accept the outcomes and consequences. If you screw yourself up for life, remember, YOU chose to!

[Bloodhoun116]

No one can provide you with a guarantee. You may have long term erectile issues, you may not. Shutting down your endocrine system now is foolish and you've already been told that by Marcus. Another problem is that you could need testosterone therapy for the REST OF YOUR LIFE. We can't say for sure because everyone is different.

You've been told numerous times not to do this, YET.

The choice is yours. Just accept the outcomes and consequences. If you screw yourself up for life, remember, YOU chose to!

whats the difference if i shut it down now or shut it down 10 years from now its gonna be shut down either way right? i mean am i right or wrong about that? someone let me know