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    Is this a good stack ?

    Age 22
    190 lbs
    18% body fat
    5'11 or 181 cm

    I am planning on using:

    Testosterone E 500 mg per week
    Ai arimadex 0.5 everyday
    Hcg (sill not sure on the dosing)

    and for pct

    Clomid and nolvadex along with hcg

    Is this a good first cycle and should it be safe or safe enough and will i recover after it meaning will my testosterone go back to normal after this cycle

    Also what sort of muscle gain should i expect ?

    If you can please advice me on hcg dosage

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    I know you do not want to hear this, but buddy you are still to young.
    there is no way you have reached your natural limits yet.

    that being said, pay attention to your AI dose.

    Study all the chems, head to the diet section. Let them guys teach you for couple years then hit the cycle. Not this cycle, but A cycle.
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    Same thing posted on 5/14. Didn't like the answers?
    You can screw yourself up at this point in your life. Let your hpta mature first. You are at the highest point of test production in your life and you want to halt it?

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    I cycled at that age and I wasnt done growing physically or mentally. I bruised my potential though and thats the only part that bugs me.
    I got to 190 naturally and pissed it away the ran btb cycles at 22 and I was prob 160-170lb.
    What would my last 3-4 years of development have gotten me? My test was in the low 400's afterward and never did any better.

    Gonna post two threads, please read both thoroghly.
    My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle
    The young and Steroids

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    Where is the "stack"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obspowerstroke View Post
    I cycled at that age and I wasnt done growing physically or mentally. I bruised my potential though and thats
    Whats that supposed to mean? That ur done developing mentally by now?...

    Lol

    Anyway. Guys are rigth. It is not safe enough yet.
    Roids should be used when there is no other way. At 22 the door is stil open.

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    That's as basic as a cycle can get lol

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    my test production last test was 14.51 nmol or high 300s ... u call that high ?

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    Ok i see everyone is suggesting i should wait , ok thats what i will do however building muscle while being at low 300s is very hard i v been training long time and as i startedto bench my max at age 16 75 KG i never went above i just can lift any heavier my chest is small biceps small i know guys in the ym that are in 16 17 18 that easily out lift me and they only started to train not to long ago some smoke some drink and some even do drugs ,,,, and me 22 been lifting and running since like 12 years old and no body to show for. If i eat more like everyone says to grow muscle all that happens is fat weight gain and even if i diet or at low caloric diet i still dont lose fat i v done a summer back in 2012 where i did nothing but running and gym and stayed from april to end of august only eating around 1000 calories my initial weight went down from 75 kg to 69 and then it stooped going down and visually i dint look like i lost any weight.

    Now another thing is this i have a girlfriend and i love her so much and my life is not too stressful so i should be able to have sex like a normal twenty year old ,,, nop i have erection problems ,,,,, what is the purpose of waiting if my twenties is or suppose to be the best years of my life so what if i fuck ( potentially fuck up ) my body from steroid use ?> i am having issues naturally.

    Another thing is this like a guy said above what stack ,,, and that it is the basic as you can get another thing is this i started developing or mature very early i had my mustache at age 11 and all puberty features started appearing very early for me i have done growing at 16 height wise so i dont think that my HTPA system is not developed fully remembered dont be to haste to say o u need to be 25 thats like doctors saying o well you are in the range.

    I think you comment on the door is open is a very good one for a male my age who has no problem gaining muscle and has high test ,,, also pointing out my genetics .... my mother is quit fat and my father same both are just slightly over weight my genetics for building muscle are not the best.

    Now my initial question is this is this "stack" good by that i mean will i recover from it how much muscle should i put on and what side effects can i expect.
    Also look at people in the 70 and 80 that dint know jack shit used steroids and are still alive look at people that dont do proper pct and are ok and lastly look at people that run over 2 cc's and have full head of hair, able to have kids and keep their muscle mass once they come off.

    Thanks for your reply but please i d like to hear more then the you are too young

    Thanks for your reply means alot

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silabolin View Post
    Whats that supposed to mean? That ur done developing mentally by now?...

    Lol

    Anyway. Guys are rigth. It is not safe enough yet.
    Roids should be used when there is no other way. At 22 the door is stil open.
    Funny that you mention it, it was the alcohol that stopped my mental development.

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    since no one is answering my question would you please help me out

    Is my "stack" good ? what would you recommend ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rytis12345
    since no one is answering my question would you please help me out Is my "stack" good ? what would you recommend ?
    with all due respect, we see the young guys on here all the time. Most of them are so set in their ways of what they want to hear, they do not read and understand what the experienced ones are telling you.
    Case and point, OB sent you two links and said to read them thoroughly. You obviously did not do that. Your answer is in one of th threads. I am going to bet that you are going to cycle before 25 anyway despite the recommendations from the other, but that is a choice that only you can make. The only thing that I request is that you research every detail before taking anything. Make sure you read the other thread and understand the risks. If you do, then you made an educated decision and are willing to accept the risks, that is the correct way to make a decision.

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    Once again, where is the "stack"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PT1982
    Once again, where is the "stack"?
    PT- i think that he is considering the AI and hCG as AAS and considering that his "stack".
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    thanks for recommending the dosing of HCG

    why do you recommend sust or cyp over enth ?
    250x2 thats what i am going to do if i am going to do it

    what is your exp with steroids ?

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    i did read the post about the young and the meteoroids and that the steroids can cause permanent shutdown of my hpta however i am stressing you the fact hat i can even maintain hard dick my test is so low naturally

    last test 14.25 nmol this is same as a man in his late 50s
    i got money plenty of it and i can defenatly affordto shoot test rest of my life however i am still looking for advice hat to od and what to use and how to use.

    i am happy to hear some advice from you this 25 years old is a myth alot of people start 18 and younger and still go on and have babies and their hpta dont shut down

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    Quote Originally Posted by charger69 View Post
    PT- i think that he is considering the AI and hCG as AAS and considering that his "stack".
    Ah, I see. So in that, advising might be bad. I'm not sure. But I think you're right charger. Op, a stack is the use of multiple anabolics in order to receive more results due to a synergistic effect of the compounds. The ancillaries and pct meds are not a part of the stack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rytis12345 View Post
    i did read the post about the young and the meteoroids
    Lol. I had to point this out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rytis12345 View Post
    my test production last test was 14.51 nmol or high 300s ... u call that high ?
    I don't. It sucks for your age, which is exactly why you should not cycle yet. Get full BW via a competent doctor and find out what's causing it to be unusually low and fix it. Odds are it's not idiopathic at your age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    I don't. It sucks for your age, which is exactly why you should not cycle yet. Get full BW via a competent doctor and find out what's causing it to be unusually low and fix it. Odds are it's not idiopathic at your age.
    Idiopathic.... sounds like silabolin....

    You're sharp kel, learn new stuff all the time from you. You must be an endocrinologist...

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    i tried talked to two different doctors which both said you are in the range your fine.

    What do you mean by full BW ? what would that include ?

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    if you are hrt specialist please help me i live in ireland a country extremely bad for health care i have an appointment with urologist waiting list is extremely long and to make it worst this guy has had people die because of his poor practices ,,,,, i am not bs this i am not expecting to resolve my problems thought doctors you have no idea how bad healthcare specialist are here people die on waiting lists private hospitals cost a fortune. i have an appointment with urotologist . i think id lisin to you guys ,more then this so called doctor , if nay advice you can give me believe me i will lisin and try implement any actual advice you give me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rytis12345 View Post
    if you are hrt specialist please help me i live in ireland a country extremely bad for health care i have an appointment with urologist waiting list is extremely long and to make it worst this guy has had people die because of his poor practices ,,,,, i am not bs this i am not expecting to resolve my problems thought doctors you have no idea how bad healthcare specialist are here people die on waiting lists private hospitals cost a fortune. i have an appointment with urotologist Mcdermott . this guys has history of bad practise and people die of his stupidity ,,,,, i think id lisin to you guys ,more then this so called doctor , if nay advice you can give me believe me i will lisin and try implement any actual advice you give me.
    I'm not having this bullshit!
    First and foremost,you are not going to die because you're on a waiting list to see a urologist.
    Secondly,you are not in some third world shithole waiting to see the local witch doctor,you are waiting to see a professional who,by the way,wouldn't
    be practising if he had form for people dying,because of his stupidity.You also mention his name.Are you aware you could be sued,and successfully so
    if by some vague chance he read what you have said?
    Lastly,on one hand you say you have money 'lots of it',then you twist about private healthcare costing a fortune.
    Have a long hard think about what you've said,then come back when you decide to talk some sense.Then you may get some good advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rytis12345 View Post
    i tried talked to two different doctors which both said you are in the range your fine.

    What do you mean by full BW ? what would that include ?
    Full blood work. Lipid panel, E2 sensitive assay, full hormone panel, full blood count, thyroid, liver values.

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    Sorry i am not tnative english speaker ,, i never said i will die but the doctor i have an appointment with has been sued few time and because of his actions and malpractice a person has died ,, so whatever i said is not bs ... also irish healthcare system is a 3rd world level and their were cases where people wait for doctor appointments that die while waiting Ok.

    Second the money part is this private hospital visit costs around 250-300 euros for 1 visit no including the pharma grade med prices if i will get them prescribed
    I have money for test all day long thats what i meant and thansk i took down his name

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    I have done those expect e2 sensitivity

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rytis12345 View Post
    Sorry i am not tnative english speaker ,, i never said i will die but the doctor i have an appointment with has been sued few time and because of his actions and malpractice a person has died ,, so whatever i said is not bs ... also irish healthcare system is a 3rd world level and their were cases where people wait for doctor appointments that die while waiting Ok.

    Second the money part is this private hospital visit costs around 250-300 euros for 1 visit no including the pharma grade med prices if i will get them prescribed
    I have money for test all day long thats what i meant and thansk i took down his name
    Yeah,bullshit.
    You do NOT get found guilty of malpractice,then continue to practice.You get struck off,you are often sued,and in many cases,particularly when there is
    a death involved,you go to prison.
    Ireland..third world? fucking behave yourself.

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    Okay this is getting of topic so please lets address question.

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